HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread 92 Waiting on the DRAFT Edition

[Goalfield22]

If his end goal is to win a Cup, then he should want out of NY as quickly as possible. Now if the team calling is Montreal, that’s another question.

Exactly. If he is available and willing to waive, we won't be the only suitor, and we won't be the most attractive. We may offer the best package for him though, and they wouldn't have to retain anything. The isles would likely see us as the best partner asset-wise, but the player has the power.

 

[Benstheman]

If we make it this year and then become a solid top 3 next season I'd say we are there.

So in two years. That's ok with me.

But the thing is, 2Cs don't come around often, let alone those who fits our culture and age core. And when the become disponible, a lot of teams are in the bidding. So if one comes available this summer and you have a great chance at making things work, do you say : No I will wait for next offseason because we aren't a consistent playoffs team, perfectly knowing chances are high no viable option presents itself next summer?? I don't think you can.

 

[Rapala]

So in two years. That's ok with me.

But the thing is, 2Cs don't come around often, let alone those who fits our culture and age core. And when the become disponible, a lot of teams are in the bidding. So if one comes available this summer and you have a great chance at making things work, do you say : No I will wait for next offseason because we aren't a consistent playoffs team, perfectly knowing chances are high no viable option presents itself next summer?? I don't think you can.

I'm not saying don't go get one I'm saying it will be in a trade and not free agency.
It will also be a player they see as a fit to what we are trying to build.

 

[rahad]

We're not drafting top 5, so any player we draft this year, in a weak draft, has lower or equal chances to become 2C than Hage, Beck and Kapanen.

We will be drafting twice around 11-18. We will still have a good chance to draft a 2C. Beck and Kapanen are more like 3c/4c. I just don't see any top 6 potential.
Our best bet right now is Hage.

 

[Guy Larose]

My money is on Petterson they trade for. Just a feeling. I think they will also pass off Price's contract to a floor team after they pay his bonus July first.

 

[vokiel]

We will be drafting twice around 11-18. We will still have a good chance to draft a 2C. Beck and Kapanen are more like 3c/4c. I just don't see any top 6 potential.
Our best bet right now is Hage.

We were saying the same thing of Plekanec when he was in the prospect pipeline. Drafted in the 3rd round and he ended up being the 1C of this club. Don't sell them short until they've had all the opportunities to prove themselves. They haven't gotten the same chances as Roy or Barron yet.

 

[Treb]

Because the Dvorak line has been the best line in terms of scoring chances differential this year without being sheltered at all.

Also Evans and Dvo have been pretty equal this season. Are you one of those blinded by the 30 games unsustainable shooting % (of himself and line mates).

I said 2 months ago in the Evans thread that I wouldn’t be surprised if Dvo was the better center of the 2 to finish the season, based on the fact his line was producing more scoring chances….

To predict future success scoring chances > points. For example, Ovy…everybody thought he was finish last year but his underlying number were the same as usual. Shooting percentage is mean reverting.

Using lines is deceptive as you have 3 guys on the line. It also require context like quality of competition and zone starts.

I'm well aware Evans isn't going to be a 50 points guy, but I consider him more valuable than Dvorak. I would be extremely surprised if Dvorak got anything close to Evans even in FA. I think the Habs are best served by leaving the other bottom 6 C position to Beck/Kapanen and concentrate the effort/ressources on a 2C and a top4 RD.
 

I was one of the people defending Ovi last year, saying his season start was an anomaly and would normalize, which it did.

 

[ExReHabs]

My money is on Petterson they trade for. Just a feeling. I think they will also pass off Price's contract to a floor team after they pay his bonus July first.

(this assumes EP's recent resurgence is legit and reflects the player he really is)

Would VAN want to blow it up? No matter what we give to get him from VAN, losing Miller and EP40 in quick succession with basically all too little to show for it... not sure Quinn Hughes or the fans will take that well. We're at 75pts and they're at 76pts, I felt like they would want to consolidate not dismantle.

 

[Guy Larose]

(this assumes EP's recent resurgence is legit and reflects the player he really is)

Would VAN want to blow it up? No matter what we give to get him from VAN, losing Miller and EP40 in quick succession with basically all too little to show for it... not sure Quinn Hughes or the fans will take that well. We're at 75pts and they're at 76pts, I felt like they would want to consolidate not dismantle.

We will see but I get this feeling they want to move on from that contract no matter what before the NMC kicks in in July.

 

[ExReHabs]

We will see but I get this feeling they want to move on from that contract no matter what before the NMC kicks in in July.

That's an interesting sub-plot to the whole thing.

I always root for/bet on proven talent and was more high on EP40 than most but he was dreadful this season and he's out injured again. It would be very cool to see him and Suzuki in a two man punch. Flanked by Caufield, Laine, Slaf, and Demidov that's a wild top6.

 

[sampollock]

dont think EP is the guy we need. all say now is effort sucks in Van

 

[Doublechin]

I personally have a lot of hope that come this off season, Dubas begs Crosby to accept a trade

Pens need to tank and be in the convo for McKenna and Dupont and trading Crosby drastically helps their odds

 

[Benstheman]

I personally have a lot of hope that come this off season, Dubas begs Crosby to accept a trade

Pens need to tank and be in the convo for McKenna and Dupont and trading Crosby drastically helps their odds

would be so great. Still has 2 years and pretty sure he can play 1 or 2 more after that.

With Suzuki, he wouldn't have to play 21 minutes a night. 18 minutes would help preserving him.

2-3 years as our 2C and the last one as the 3C grooming Hage.

Imagine we add Demidov, Crosby and Reinbacher for next season. Imagine the boost forward we'd get.

 

[Captain Mountain]

(this assumes EP's recent resurgence is legit and reflects the player he really is)

Would VAN want to blow it up? No matter what we give to get him from VAN, losing Miller and EP40 in quick succession with basically all too little to show for it... not sure Quinn Hughes or the fans will take that well. We're at 75pts and they're at 76pts, I felt like they would want to consolidate not dismantle.

The question isn't if Vancouver would blow it up, its if they're confident enough in Pettersson to keep him at his contract when his full NMC kicks in. And if another would be confident enough to acquire him (and what another team would offer).

I think at the end of the day Pettersson is 26, a strong two-way center, and has two greater than P/GP seasons. That's hard enough to find that you just have to bet on him finding his game again. And Vancouver will bet on him rather than trade him.

 

[WeThreeKings]

The question isn't if Vancouver would blow it up, its if they're confident enough in Pettersson to keep him at his contract when his full NMC kicks in. And if another would be confident enough to acquire him (and what another team would offer).

I think at the end of the day Pettersson is 26, a strong two-way center, and has two greater than P/GP seasons. That's hard enough to find that you just have to bet on him finding his game again. And Vancouver will bet on him rather than trade him.

Regardless, he complained about the media in Vancouver.. you can't acquire him if he can't handle that.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

EP and Zegras are not upgrades for the future.
more skilled probably
a better team overall on the ice? no

 

[sampollock]

EP and Zegras are not upgrades for the future.
more skilled probably
a better team overall on the ice? no

nope
not at all

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

I personally have a lot of hope that come this off season, Dubas begs Crosby to accept a trade

Pens need to tank and be in the convo for McKenna and Dupont and trading Crosby drastically helps their odds

If Pittsburgh really wanted to tank , they would have traded Malkin Karlsson and Crosby at the TDL

 

[Ezpz]

My money is on Petterson they trade for. Just a feeling. I think they will also pass off Price's contract to a floor team after they pay his bonus July first.

They may just keep Price, trading his contract likely means no more appearances and there's only one year left where we're not super tight on cap space. I think they value bringing Carey in a couple times a year to talk to the boys and do media. Weber completely disappeared after the trade and never showed up to anything for his new teams.

Especially since it's likely Carey goes into the HOF at the beginning of the season.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Regardless, he complained about the media in Vancouver.. you can't acquire him if he can't handle that.

Laine has complained about the media too.

And IMO, at least recently, the Vancouver media has been worse than Montreal's (if you don't understand French).

 

[Milhouse40]

EP and Zegras are not upgrades for the future.
more skilled probably
a better team overall on the ice? no

Zegras I agree
EP.....not sure I would agree.

The reason is pretty much.......Dubois.
I mean, I didn't want to touch him with a 10 foot pole.....but his game in Washington so far is making me think that I might have been wrong on that one.

I'm still not entirely out on Dach but all I can think about is with who Demidov will play next year

 

[LesCactus]

Most of the 2C options are unrealistic/not worth it. I think their best bet is to trade for a vet (ROR) or sign one in FA (Nelson) while Hage develops in college. I don’t see a 38 year old Crosby leaving Pittsburgh and he’d probably cost a pretty penny. EP will cost too much and comes off as a mental midget who can’t handle pressure. Zegras is another reclamation project that the team shouldn’t waste their time with.

 

[Sorinth]

Laine has complained about the media too.

And IMO, at least recently, the Vancouver media has been worse than Montreal's (if you don't understand French).

Winning also solves a lot of media problems.

 

[NeptunesTrident]

Some idle chatter that if the Leafs don’t sign Marner, Dubas will make a strong play for him with the cap increase, the chance to play with Crosby and Malkin and his relationship with Marner. Pittsburgh’s going to try and run it back one last time and are prepared to pass on McKenna to do it. Now if Marner signs back in Toronto, then the direction Pittsburgh takes becomes more clouded.

 

[OldCraig71]

Most of the 2C options are unrealistic/not worth it. I think their best bet is to trade for a vet (ROR) or sign one in FA (Nelson) while Hage develops in college. I don’t see a 38 year old Crosby leaving Pittsburgh and he’d probably cost a pretty penny. EP will cost too much and comes off as a mental midget who can’t handle pressure. Zegras is another reclamation project that the team shouldn’t waste their time with.

I would like Horvat as would many, same goes for Crosby but realistically we will be giving up quality to get quality. The Isles would probably ask for one of our prominent roster players instead of picks because they aren't rebuilding.

Crosby makes the most sense even if we only get two good years from him. What he brings won't only be measured in goals and assists. Mr. Crosby has won every possible award he was ever in the running for and 3 cups to boot and he was the leader for all of them.

The 4 nations cup proved he still had it, and he wasn't 100 percent healthy. He is the guts and glory player we need even at his age. It would be a dream to see him in a Habs jersey, especially for a Maritimer like myself. He is everything we want as a mentor for our up-and-coming contending team.

If the Pens want to kickstart a rebuild, moving Sid would be the way to do it. Give them whatever they want to get him here.