I was clearly being facetious. The poster assumes we won’t be able to trade for an established 2C because we only have futures to offer when our current 1C was a trade of futures for an established player.
HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread 92 Waiting on the DRAFT Edition
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Kadri will be 35 when next season starts with 4 years left at 7 millions. I’m personally not trading a 1st for him, especially not if Calgary’s pick ends up in the 11-18 range like it’s trending. At that point I’d rather make the puck than trade it for Kadri. Or let’s just pay real assets for a quality upgrade.
It’s small and they would get eaten up.
The point is you trade from a position of strength to fill a weakness. Habs strength: prospects and picks. Their strength is not power forwards and top 6 forwards.
You’re just creating a hole to fill another one.
Posted this in the wrong thread, so here it is again:
What if we brought Phil Danault back into the fold?
PROS:
Great Defense/Faceoffs
Just the right age for a stopgap
Contract is a good length (til 2026-27)
Caphit is just 5.5 so cost controlled and even better with the cap rising
Was a great Hab
Suzuki+Danault+Evans+Beck is a very good defensive C line
Could get the most out of Gallagher?
CONS:
Might be too expensive to trade for
Could decline(though he looks pretty consistent)
Might not be the best C to feed Laine (But maybe not, some people talk about Laine having the best chemistry with more grinding players in his career)
Suzuki+Danault+Evans+Beck is very average in size.
Maybe he doesn't want to come back? (no idea)
CRAZY BLUE SKY IDEAL WORLD MODE:
We get Danault, but also get a 2C and its Suzuki+2C+Danault+Evans could be contender worthy
What if we brought Phil Danault back into the fold?
PROS:
Great Defense/Faceoffs
Just the right age for a stopgap
Contract is a good length (til 2026-27)
Caphit is just 5.5 so cost controlled and even better with the cap rising
Was a great Hab
Suzuki+Danault+Evans+Beck is a very good defensive C line
Could get the most out of Gallagher?
CONS:
Might be too expensive to trade for
Could decline(though he looks pretty consistent)
Might not be the best C to feed Laine (But maybe not, some people talk about Laine having the best chemistry with more grinding players in his career)
Suzuki+Danault+Evans+Beck is very average in size.
Maybe he doesn't want to come back? (no idea)
CRAZY BLUE SKY IDEAL WORLD MODE:
We get Danault, but also get a 2C and its Suzuki+2C+Danault+Evans could be contender worthy
We're a one-line team offensively. That one line, despite being centered by a very strong two-way player, is absolutely not an all situations line and struggles in the defensive zone regularly. I don't want to hang it all on Caufield, but getting the puck out of the defensive zone is not one of his better skills. Slafkovksy has a lot of capacity to grow in this area.
Rather than taking risks to force a trade for a 2C, is it smarter for us to prioritize icing/developing an all-situations first line and complement it with a heavily sheltered second line while we wait for prospect development?
Finding a "2C" for that type of role on the second line will be a much more straightforward task than finding a 1B that fits age/contract/skill expectations. A guy like Granlund could absolutely have success with Caufield/Laine if given significant offensive zone starts. With that much firepower, players that are lesser play drivers but strong in areas like puck retrieval or defensive ability (i.e. Beck/Evans/Kapanen) might even be passable. With some tweaks, we have the horses to put together a bottom-6 focused on transition/shutdown play. Might make for some tough road games and puts pressure on Demidov right off the hop, but maybe this is a good Plan B if a reasonable trade doesn't materialize.
Slafkovsky-Suzuki-Demidov
Caufield-Granlund-Laine
(Newhook/Roy)-Evans-Anderson
Heineman-Beck-(Dach/Gallagher)
Rather than taking risks to force a trade for a 2C, is it smarter for us to prioritize icing/developing an all-situations first line and complement it with a heavily sheltered second line while we wait for prospect development?
Finding a "2C" for that type of role on the second line will be a much more straightforward task than finding a 1B that fits age/contract/skill expectations. A guy like Granlund could absolutely have success with Caufield/Laine if given significant offensive zone starts. With that much firepower, players that are lesser play drivers but strong in areas like puck retrieval or defensive ability (i.e. Beck/Evans/Kapanen) might even be passable. With some tweaks, we have the horses to put together a bottom-6 focused on transition/shutdown play. Might make for some tough road games and puts pressure on Demidov right off the hop, but maybe this is a good Plan B if a reasonable trade doesn't materialize.
Slafkovsky-Suzuki-Demidov
Caufield-Granlund-Laine
(Newhook/Roy)-Evans-Anderson
Heineman-Beck-(Dach/Gallagher)
Dach is more likely to have a body part replaced. Hughes has to find another way.
Ok, to give you more context. If we look at 2C and want someone who is 22-27, leftie and produced at least 40 points this season, there are 9 guys in the whole league:
Hughes, Aho, PLD, Matthews, Rossi, Hischier, Cirelli, Lundell, Zacha.
Hughes, Aho, PLD, Matthews, Rossi, Hischier, Cirelli, Lundell, Zacha.
He's still a winger.. There's twice as many in the league. It's not a good comparison. Besides who are you thinking of giving up that has the value Nick had??
Makes no sense.
Kadri only has 3 years left after this year and it is known Calgary is looking for a right handed center....Montreal has one in Kirby Dach who is from Alberta.
...Mavrik Bourque...Dallas might have to move him before he gets offersheeted...
Kirby is probably missing camp, I doubt that goes well.
That said if there is a trade we can make for Kadri, we should go for it.
2C is also a glaring hole for like half of the league. We’re not the only one, if one good center somehow becomes available, it will get very competitive. All it takes is one team in the league to be willing to include their top prospect or a good young player to beat us unless we pay up ourselves.
According to online sources, Kadri has 4 years left unless I’m bad at math (I am).
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Either way, I’m really down on Dach but I’m not trading him for a 35 yo Kadri in October with 4 years left at 7M. I’d rather give Dach one last chance or use his contract to help match salary in a big trade. He only has 1 year left. Best case scenario he can hold up for the year. Worse case scenario he leads us to McKenna. Win-win
According to online sources, Kadri has 4 years left unless I’m bad at math (I am).
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28-29
Either way, I’m really down on Dach but I’m not trading him for a 35 yo Kadri in October with 4 years left at 7M. I’d rather give Dach one last chance or use his contract to help match salary in a big trade. He only has 1 year left. Best case scenario he can hold up for the year. Worse case scenario he leads us to McKenna. Win-win
Well maybe they find someone who didn't produce 40 this year but did so previously or projects to do so in near future?
I think that the Habs owe a lot to Nazeem Kadri. It's thanks to him that they got Monahan for two years and two additional 1sts.
Maybe there could be some retention or offset? Kadri has been durable, playing 82 games in each of the prior 2 seasons and has played 65 games so far this season. Can always be bought out in his last year. Buys time to develop the next center.2C is also a glaring hole for like half of the league. We’re not the only one, if one good center somehow becomes available, it will get very competitive. All it takes is one team in the league to be willing to include their top prospect or a good young player to beat us unless we pay up ourselves.
According to online sources, Kadri has 4 years left unless I’m bad at math (I am).
25-26
26-27
27-28
28-29
Either way, I’m really down on Dach but I’m not trading him for a 35 yo Kadri in October with 4 years left at 7M. I’d rather give Dach one last chance or use his contract to help match salary in a big trade. He only has 1 year left. Best case scenario he can hold up for the year. Worse case scenario he leads us to McKenna. Win-win
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Slaf is only 20. I, at least, don't know what his skill level will be when he's 24 to 32.
A 1st line winger is probably equivalent in value to a 2nd line centre. It’s not far off.
The point is it’s preposterous to think players are rarely traded for picks and prospects, which is what you’re claiming.
But Slaf is only 20. Byfield is 22. And Slaf is slightly outproducing Byfield already. It would take a deep dive for me to see who has more potential long term. I just don't know the answer without doing one.
If the Kings who are starved for a Kopitar replacement are willing to trade Byfield, you have to question if he's actually a worthy gamble.
Brock Faber didn't play in the NHL for multiple seasons before getting traded. Vilardi was arguably the main piece in the PLD trade.
A mid to late first isn't much to give up, especially in this draft. I would much rather give up the pick than Slaf like you suggested before.
Agreed to disagree, giving up a mid/late 1st for 35 yo Kadri is too much in my opinion, regardless of the draft. Flames pick, if it ends up in teens like it’s trending, could land us one of Martin/O’Brien/Cootes/Carbonneau/Hensler/Spence/Lakovic/Ryabkin/Fiddler/Kindel/Potter.
And you’re comparing apples to oranges. You were suggesting giving up a mid/late 1st for Kadri, I was replying to a comment debating the idea of trading Slaf for a comparable center to Suzuki. I’m not sure what one has to do with the other.
Of course I would also much rather give up Calgary’s pick than Slaf, but we’re also talking about vastly different returns in both scenario.
Really like the idea of adding Marchment... And we could easily take Dumba as a cap dump to lower the cost (& fill a vet depth RD role for us) in the process
If KH can pull off adding him & Zegras (Mailloux+2nd?), it would be a great step forward
Basically swap Dvo/Armia/Savard with Zegras/Marchment/Dumba
Slaf Suzuki Demidov
CC Zegras Marchment
Laine Newhook Dach
Heineman Evans Anderson
Gally (Roy, Beck, Kapanen)
Guhle Carrier
Hutson Matheson
Xhekaj Strubble
Dumba (RB, Engstrom, Trudeau)
Monty
Dobes
If KH can pull off adding him & Zegras (Mailloux+2nd?), it would be a great step forward
Basically swap Dvo/Armia/Savard with Zegras/Marchment/Dumba
Slaf Suzuki Demidov
CC Zegras Marchment
Laine Newhook Dach
Heineman Evans Anderson
Gally (Roy, Beck, Kapanen)
Guhle Carrier
Hutson Matheson
Xhekaj Strubble
Dumba (RB, Engstrom, Trudeau)
Monty
Dobes
