HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #92: Waiting on the Draft edition

[Ozmodiar]

I'd rather overpay for a stable solution than go dumpster diving just for a few seasons.

The cap is going up dramatically why should we care about Molson's wallet?

Have you ever complained about Gallagher or Anderson’s contract?

If not you, you’ve read enough to know it’s not about Molson’s wallet.

 

[Vachon23]

50 pts for Kapanen next season would be way above expectations.

It’s more then above expectations if he ever made this once in his career

 

[vokiel]

Have you ever complained about Gallagher or Anderson’s contract?

If not you, you’ve read enough to know it’s not about Molson’s wallet.

Yes of course, but they are not as important as a 2C would be. The reason why it's easy to complain about their deals is a far too important portion of the total cap is invested in wingers who could be replaced by ELCs.

I'd have less complaints to make about a Tavares-type of deal given to a 28-29 years old if I knew he's the best player we could find to make a 1 - 2 Center combo.

 

[Ozmodiar]

...he's the same size as Crosby and Suzuki, just needs to put on a bit of muscle...the right shot is a negative, though...

He’s not. He’s lighter now than either were in their draft year.

 

[Ozmodiar]

Yes of course, but they are not as important as a 2C would be. The reason why it's easy to complain about their deals is a far too important portion of the total cap is invested in wingers who could be replaced by ELCs.

I'd have less complaints to make about a Tavares-type of deal given to a 28-29 years old if I knew he's the best player we could find to make a 1 - 2 Center combo.

Okay then. So we’re talking Cap instead of Molson’s wallet.

I think he’s the best fit now, but how much $$ and for how long?

He’s a 50-55 point guy now. He plays with an edge. Will both still be the case in 3 or 4 years when he slides to the 3rd line when Hage (?) takes over? Will he still have that edge when the Cup window opens?

I know the importance of a 2C but it can still have dire cap consequences if not careful. Remember Gomez?

 

[salbutera]

That was one theory. But that's not what Gascon is saying.
And to be more precise, the deal was Zegras and a 2nd for Mailloux and 21OA.

Are you sure it's the Zegras trade that KH cancelled just before taking Hage with 21?
KH said after the draft that he had multiple trade scenarios prepared.

Jimmy Murphy & Pierre McGuire referenced it on their Sick Podcast after having Gorton on

 

[vokiel]

Okay then. So we’re talking Cap instead of Molson’s wallet.

I think he’s the best fit now, but how much $$ and for how long?

He’s a 50-55 point guy now. He plays with an edge. Will both still be the case in 3 or 4 years when he slides to the 3rd line when Hage (?) takes over? Will he still have that edge when the Cup window opens?

I know the importance of a 2C but it can still have dire cap consequences if not careful. Remember Gomez?

We were never complaining about Molson's wallet for Gallagher and Anerson as well. The complaints are cap oriented and the cap is going to be manageable.

What hurt about Gomez is trading McDonagh, not really his cap hit, but anyway. Yes there is a risk, there are risks to any moves the team decides to do or not to do. Since we've been bleeding at center for so long, I'm willing to take that risk.

I would have traded Dach for Dubois without any second thought. That's the risk the team didn't take that hurts imho.

 

[Schooner Guy]

It’s more then above expectations if he ever made this once in his career

I've been a huge Kapanen fan since before most in here (I've been one of few who has ranked him ahead of Roy all along) and I agree with you. He'll be a 3rd/4th liner and a 50 point season would exceed expectations by several miles. He'll have a long NHL career and will be a go to guy in key situations because of all the little things he does well. He won't be top 6 point producer however.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

...he's the same size as Crosby and Suzuki, just needs to put on a bit of muscle...the right shot is a negative, though...

Bourque definitely looks smaller than either Suzuki or Crosby. He seems more Gourde sized.

 

[Treb]

That’s the ballpark of what a few equivalency / projection models suggest, with him being a point per game now.

This isn't baseball.

 

[Treb]

It’s more then above expectations if he ever made this once in his career

I think he could eventually hit 50 if he develops well, but next year is incredibly optimistic.

 

[Jurivan Demidovsky]

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[Kimota]

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I agree with that

 

[Jurivan Demidovsky]

I agree with that

I make a good point sometimes.

 

[Vachon23]

I think he could eventually hit 50 if he develops well, but next year is incredibly optimistic.

I see more a 20-30 pts producer even in his prime

 

[Kimota]

I make a good point sometimes.

Yep. That point was pretty good, I must admit! Very accentuated!

 

[Riggins]

I actually don't mind Matty Beniers as a 2C target if Seattle thinks Wright and Catton could be their future 1-2 punch.

 

[Vachon23]

Stop with the ROR/Tavares

We need to be more dynamic in the the top 6 to play at a faster pace

 

[HabzSauce]

In Hughes' TD press conference, he mentioned that he asked for names that weren't in the trade rumours. I believe we will be targeting one of those at the draft and try and trade for a 2C.

I expect anyone not on our 1st line, Reinbacher and Hutson to be in play.

Went through every team and listed any potential 2C (either in the lineup or upcoming). Excluded any 1C or future 1C of the team, unless they had some redundancy. Some players listed might be better suited to the wing, but if they were listed as a C, I included them.

Anaheim: Mason McTavish, Zegras
Boston: Poitras, Minten
Buffalo: Benson, Krebs, Peterka, Helenius
Calgary: Frost, Honk
Carolina: Stankoven, Jackson Blake
Chicago: Donato, Nazar, Boisvert
Colorado: Nelson
Columbus: Johnson, Brindley
Dallas: Duchene, Johnston, Bourque
Detroit: Kasper, Danielson
Edmonton: Savoie, Sam O'Reilly
Florida: Bennett
LA: Byfield, Turcotte
Minnesota: Rossi, Yurok
Nashville: O'Reilly
New Jersey: Mercer, Glass,
NY Islanders: Barzal, Ritchie
NY Rangers: N/A
Ottawa: Giroux, Pinto, Haliday
Philadelphia: Couturier, Luchanko
Pittsburgh: Crosby, Malkin
San Jose: Bystedt
Seattle: Beniers, Wright, Rehkopf
St-Louis: Schenn, Dvorsky
Tampa Bay: Geekie
Toronto: Tavares, Cowan
Utah: Hayton
Vancouver: Pettersson, Chytil, Raty
Vegas: Cataford
Washington: Strome, Dubois,
Winnipeg: Vilardi, Lambert, Yager

UFAs: Bennett, Duchene, Tavares, Giroux, Donato
RFAs: Vilardi, Rossi, Peterka, McTavish, Frost, Bourque, Glass

Out of all of these options, I'd prioritize the following:
Tier 1 (Top 2C for now and future)

• Pettersson (I'm sur he's available, I'm just not sure if we have assets that the Canucks want)
• Rossi (I'd consider an offer sheet)
• Beniers (he's there 1C, but they could potentially move on if they believe Wright + Catton is their future)
• Byfield (If Kings want to win now, don't think we have enough to trade for Byfield, plus doubt he's actually available)
• Johnston (Doubt he's available cause he just re-signed but I'd love to have him on our team)

Tier 2 (Immediately a top 6 player, but potentially a winger)

• McTavish
• Barzal
• Vilardi
• Benson
• Johnson

Tier 3 (Top 2C for now, but old)

• Crosby
• Duchene
• Bennett
• Couturier
• O'Reilly

Tier 4 (Potential Top 2C/Prospect)

• Helenius
• Bourque
• Ritchie
• Bystedt
• Dvorsky
• Wright

Not sure what a realistic trade package would look like for these players.

Personally I'm not crazy about any names on this list - I think therefore I'd rather get a bridge 2C and see what the landscape looks like in a few years from now and hopefully get someone we love.

Currently I love Duchene at 2c if he doesn't resign in Dallas (I bet he stays tho unless he wants the bag). Would be perfect bridge.

Next man up is Bennett. Would not be a bridge but we can't afford to go into next season without a 2C. I like him the most after Duchene.

Wild cards could be Byfield and Bourque. Beniers Is also interesting

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

...Mavrik Bourque would probably cost us the least of any mentioned here lately and has reasonable 2C upside...

 

[Hockeyfan200]

I actually don't mind Matty Beniers as a 2C target if Seattle thinks Wright and Catton could be their future 1-2 punch.

Matty has become 1c, and solid 1c as that for seattle. They aren't trading him no matter what. Catton can be 3c for them or moved to a different position

 

[Hockeyfan200]

In Hughes' TD press conference, he mentioned that he asked for names that weren't in the trade rumours. I believe we will be targeting one of those at the draft and try and trade for a 2C.

I expect anyone not on our 1st line, Reinbacher and Hutson to be in play.

Went through every team and listed any potential 2C (either in the lineup or upcoming). Excluded any 1C or future 1C of the team, unless they had some redundancy. Some players listed might be better suited to the wing, but if they were listed as a C, I included them.

Anaheim: Mason McTavish, Zegras
Boston: Poitras, Minten
Buffalo: Benson, Krebs, Peterka, Helenius
Calgary: Frost, Honk
Carolina: Stankoven, Jackson Blake
Chicago: Donato, Nazar, Boisvert
Colorado: Nelson
Columbus: Johnson, Brindley
Dallas: Duchene, Johnston, Bourque
Detroit: Kasper, Danielson
Edmonton: Savoie, Sam O'Reilly
Florida: Bennett
LA: Byfield, Turcotte
Minnesota: Rossi, Yurok
Nashville: O'Reilly
New Jersey: Mercer, Glass,
NY Islanders: Barzal, Ritchie
NY Rangers: N/A
Ottawa: Giroux, Pinto, Haliday
Philadelphia: Couturier, Luchanko
Pittsburgh: Crosby, Malkin
San Jose: Bystedt
Seattle: Beniers, Wright, Rehkopf
St-Louis: Schenn, Dvorsky
Tampa Bay: Geekie
Toronto: Tavares, Cowan
Utah: Hayton
Vancouver: Pettersson, Chytil, Raty
Vegas: Cataford
Washington: Strome, Dubois,
Winnipeg: Vilardi, Lambert, Yager

UFAs: Bennett, Duchene, Tavares, Giroux, Donato
RFAs: Vilardi, Rossi, Peterka, McTavish, Frost, Bourque, Glass

Out of all of these options, I'd prioritize the following:
Tier 1 (Top 2C for now and future)

• Pettersson (I'm sur he's available, I'm just not sure if we have assets that the Canucks want)
• Rossi (I'd consider an offer sheet)
• Beniers (he's there 1C, but they could potentially move on if they believe Wright + Catton is their future)
• Byfield (If Kings want to win now, don't think we have enough to trade for Byfield, plus doubt he's actually available)
• Johnston (Doubt he's available cause he just re-signed but I'd love to have him on our team)

Tier 2 (Immediately a top 6 player, but potentially a winger)

• McTavish
• Barzal
• Vilardi
• Benson
• Johnson

Tier 3 (Top 2C for now, but old)

• Crosby
• Duchene
• Bennett
• Couturier
• O'Reilly

Tier 4 (Potential Top 2C/Prospect)

• Helenius
• Bourque
• Ritchie
• Bystedt
• Dvorsky
• Wright

Not sure what a realistic trade package would look like for these players.

Minnesota already has a problem with having C. They aren't letting Rossi go unless he gets 8 or more. Yurov , is a top prospecct whose consider untouchable for them. Seattle again isn't moving Beniers. MCTavish isn't getting moved, Neither is Crosby.

 

[TomKosto]

Stop with the ROR/Tavares

We need to be more dynamic in the the top 6 to play at a faster pace

Whos that and what do we pay to acquire un player like that? I think fans gonna be pissed this summer.

 

[themilosh]

Along this line of thinking….

ROR + laine
or
Kapanen + Marner

Elite 1st line + kid line:
CC - Suze - Marner
Slaf - Kap - Demidov

22 yr old, PPG in SHL, on the rise … or mid 30’s C on the decline? Both project to roughly 50 pt season.

I think incl ELC into this theory is misleading.. like next year we can Suzuki +Demidov = $8M

Or PLD for $9M

Demi could very well be a $12M player before Suzukis contract is up.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

I actually don't mind Matty Beniers as a 2C target if Seattle thinks Wright and Catton could be their future 1-2 punch.

Too soft of a center line. Catton likely moves to wing anyway. I don't see Seattle giving up on Beniers. Maybe if they draft Misa. In that case, I still wouldn't move Beniers. I'd move Wright.