HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #92: Waiting on the Draft edition

[Kobe Armstrong]

What's a ridiculous contract extension in your opinion? IMO he's worth 6.5-7M

50Ms

I think the issue is he will lose almost all of his trade value the moment an extension is signed

 

[bcv]

I am most curious to see how Hughes handles Matheson this summer

My best guess is that he signs him to a ridiculous contract extension, or only trades him to a team willing to sign him to a ridiculous contract extension.

He’s one of Hughes good friends and favorite players/people. He’s still repped by his friends at his former agency.

I don’t see any situation where Hughes lets Matheson go without securing a huge pay day for Mikey and Quartexx. He’s not gonna let his boy nuke his value next season and walk as a UFA.

It’s tough because he’s obviously the odd man out with the LHD core, but if you take off ice impact into play he is one of the most untouchable guys on the team. He will be Hughes’ Gallagher.

I'm curious, did Hughes sign any big money contracts with players that were with Quartexx at the moment of signing?

 

[Andrei79]

The only realistic target that makes sense seems to be Bennett, the rest all have their maybes. Other than that we'll ride the next season with Beck (22) and Kapanen (22).

We should sticky the Tank Thread if it goes down like that.

Bennett isn't a realistic option, in the sense that I see no reason for him to sign here. The time to acquire Bennett was April 2021. Would have been a good time to trade KK and a 2nd.

 

[vokiel]

Bennett isn't a realistic option, in the sense that I see no reason for him to sign here. The time to acquire Bennett was April 2021. Would have been a good time to trade KK and a 2nd.

Then the options are Kapanen and Beck. That's it.

 

[salbutera]

I was listening to the Tellement Hockey podcast and Alexandre Gascon, one of the journalist there, confirmed that there was indeed a deal on the table last draft of Zegras for Mailloux and the 21st pick.
He said Kent Hugues decided to not go ahead with the deal once they drafted Demidov and that the Habs don't have interest in Zegras anymore.

For those who still cling to the idea of Zegras coming here and/or thought that the information was not credible at the time...

The deal referenced was Mailloux + 21st pick for Zegras, contingent on who was available at 21OA for Habs to select.

Hughes decided to decline the deal when Hage was available at 21OA

 

[Kimota]

Bo Horvat is 2G-2A in 13GP without Barzal… Don’t know if it’s good for a possible trade…

I would jump at the chance but the Isles just lost Brock Neilson who was also a center. I cannot see them trade another one. Esp. since Lou is a win-now type of guy. He won't amputate them by losing another top forward.

 

[TomKosto]

I think whoever is available for the 2C position, people are gonna be pissed. For me the best bet was Cozens, sucks that Ottawa got him. Our best option si to developp one, but we dont have many in the pipeline. There’s really something wrong with developping and drafting center in Mtl, since when? 20-30years?

 

[Andrei79]

Then the options are Kapanen and Beck. That's it.

Could be. I didn't think either Dach or Newhook were options for us, so maybe Hughes has targeted a few players this trade deadline that could be available for a trade around the draft. I'd love Bennett, but likely it would be more productive to find the next Bennett, as I see no reason for him to sign save a gross overpayment, on top of the usual Quebec/Ontario/California overpayment.

I think whoever is available for the 2C position, people are gonna be pissed. For me the best bet was Cozens, sucks that Ottawa got him. Our best option si to developp one, but we dont have many in the pipeline. There’s really something wrong with developping and drafting center in Mtl, since when? 20-30years?

Cozens with his size and speed would have been really interesting. I think Buffalo wanted Norris though, who's good two ways and seems really good in the locker room.

 

[Kimota]

I think whoever is available for the 2C position, people are gonna be pissed. For me the best bet was Cozens, sucks that Ottawa got him. Our best option si to developp one, but we dont have many in the pipeline. There’s really something wrong with developping and drafting center in Mtl, since when? 20-30years?

Agreed it more and more seems like Cozen was the guy. Sens did extremely well with this move. It also is really the type of aquisiation that energizes your club to make the playoffs and make a difference in the playoffs and give your players hope. Habs should have made a move like that, maybe sacrifice Calgary's pick for it.

 

[Treb]

Along this line of thinking….

ROR + laine
or
Kapanen + Marner

Elite 1st line + kid line:
CC - Suze - Marner
Slaf - Kap - Demidov

22 yr old, PPG in SHL, on the rise … or mid 30’s C on the decline? Both project to roughly 50 pt season.

50 pts for Kapanen next season would be way above expectations.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Still, they should just hold onto him than trade him for pennies on the dollar.

The guy didn't even answer our calls last time he was a free agent. Unless we're offering him a stupid contract for a player who's declined a lot, I'm willing to bet Pyjama Boy once again won't entertain us.

He did.

He just said "lol no. Kthxbi"

That was part of Bergevin's plan to get a good centre was Tavares,then Duchene.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

...the more I think about it. the more a trade with Dallas for Bourque (and maybe Marchment) makes sense...we could even absorb Dumba's contract for them...win-win...

 

[WeThreeKings]

...the more I think about it. the more a trade with Dallas for Bourque (and maybe Marchment) makes sense...we could even absorb Dumba's contract for them...win-win...

I like Bourque a lot but he's small and a right shot, probably moves to wing. He's not the right fit either.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

I like Bourque a lot but he's small and a right shot, probably moves to wing. He's not the right fit either.

...he's the same size as Crosby and Suzuki, just needs to put on a bit of muscle...the right shot is a negative, though...

 

[Colezuki]

I think the reality is we're probably looking at an O'Rielly or Schenn type of player and less of a younger player, as most teams likely want to keep there young centers

 

[vokiel]

I think the reality is we're probably looking at an O'Rielly or Schenn type of player and less of a younger player, as most teams likely want to keep there young centers

Even ROR and Schenn, their respective teams will want to keep them. They're on sweet deals, no reasons to trade them whatsoever.

 

[sampollock]

I like Bourque a lot but he's small and a right shot, probably moves to wing. He's not the right fit either.

No more small guys unless very very talented

 

[Saundies]

Duchene almost came here once, why not pursue him this summer? Unless his heart is set on Dallas now (which it probably is).

 

[Leto]

Duchene almost came here once, why not pursue him this summer? Unless his heart is set on Dallas now (which it probably is).

He had a recent interview where he talked about the Habs' offer before he signed with Nashville. He mentioned he likes it in the states and intend to retire there. He still maintains a home in Nashville for that specific purpose. Plus in a recent 32 thoughts podcast, Friedman mentionned Dallas wants to keep him. I don't think he is willing to leave for Montreal.​

 

[BergevinBurner]

There's no clear cut answer at 2C for us this season, but I'd love to be a fly on the wall during the internal discussions about which 2C to target. Each one has its own upside and drawbacks and almost none of them are "likely", but we just need one to pan out.

• Bennet: Checks nearly every box I'd want for a 2nd line center between a rookie Demidov and a pure sniper like Laine. He's a veteran with a cup ring and he'd bring a nice level of physicality to that line, the only downside is I don't think he has the offensive upside that other options do. He'll be 29 going into next season so I'd feel comfortable giving him a fairly long term deal. But is he willing to leave one of the most desired destinations in the league to come here without a heavy overpayment?
• Stephenson: I could see him being available if the Kraken are looking to retool around their young core. I'm not familiar with their needs though so I don't know if we'd mesh well as trade partners.
• Malkin: Solid veteran stop gap that could be a fantastic mentor to Demidov next season. But I doubt Pens management is willing to go into a full rebuild even if that's clearly their best option.
• Barzal/Horvat: Both would a dream acquisition, but similar to Pittsburgh, I doubt the Isles are looking to rebuild.

Then there's a huge list of U25 guys that either have massive question marks around them, or an astronomical trade price. I don't see us signing a guy in his mid 30's though, we'd likely have to give too much term which wouldn't make sense for us.

 

[sampollock]

the 2C can't be
slow
old
small

has to have
younger guy
grit
great passer

 

[Sterling Archer]

If the Habs make one major move this off season, I can see it being to get a #1 RHD. That would make a huge difference to our D corp and slot everyone where they'd play less minutes against lesser competition. Also but Reinbacher time to develop into a top end D (hopefully) over time and not force him into it too soon. Dach between Laine and Demidov can focus on playing a more defensive game and see if he can return to form. If not, he won't be resigned and or traded for a 2nd center, but I can see him starting there.

Cole Suzuki Slaf
Laine Dach Demidov
Newhook Beck Anderson
Heineman Evans Gally

Hutson #1RHD
Guhle Carrier
Xhekaj Reinbacher
Struble

Using Matheson and draft/prospect capital to get RHD via trade.

 

[Miller Time]

If the Habs make one major move this off season, I can see it being to get a #1 RHD. That would make a huge difference to our D corp and slot everyone where they'd play less minutes against lesser competition. Also but Reinbacher time to develop into a top end D (hopefully) over time and not force him into it too soon. Dach between Laine and Demidov can focus on playing a more defensive game and see if he can return to form. If not, he won't be resigned and or traded for a 2nd center, but I can see him starting there.

Cole Suzuki Slaf
Laine Dach Demidov
Newhook Beck Anderson
Heineman Evans Gally

Hutson #1RHD
Guhle Carrier
Xhekaj Reinbacher
Struble

Using Matheson and draft/prospect capital to get RHD via trade.

Outside of perhaps Dobson, is there any other legit #1RD that you think will be available via trade this summer?

With Jones traded to Florida, I really can't see any... Curious who you have in mind?

 

[Deus ex machina]

The deal referenced was Mailloux + 21st pick for Zegras, contingent on who was available at 21OA for Habs to select.

Hughes decided to decline the deal when Hage was available at 21OA

That was one theory. But that's not what Gascon is saying.
And to be more precise, the deal was Zegras and a 2nd for Mailloux and 21OA.

Are you sure it's the Zegras trade that KH cancelled just before taking Hage with 21?
KH said after the draft that he had multiple trade scenarios prepared.

 

[HuGort]

To many picks, to many guys
Time for KH to make a huge move

Would you take on Karlsson contract to switch firsts with Pitt?