HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #92: Waiting on the Draft edition

[Andrei79]

Has any of you made a compendium on cash strapped teams, wingers and centers that could be made available ?

Dallas seems to be cap strapped. Seems like Benn will sign a team friendly deal. Duchene wants to resign and Dallas management seems to like him as well. Granlund is gone. Maybe they might need cap help, but my guess is they'll send a pick with Dumba, who we shouldn't touch.

 

[HabzSauce]

How good does borque look?

Dallas is tight against cap next year, maybe we can be slime balls and offer sheet

 

[ZUKI]

Habs have never drafted a PPG C in their entire history…

Jean Béliveau has more than PPG for his entire career.
Mike Ribiero got a 84 points season once, even if it wasn't with the Habs

 

[BargainBinSpecial]

I think next year's lineup is probably going to look closer to this:

Caufield-Suzuki-Slafkovsky
Laine-2C Trade-Demidov
Newhook-Dach-Heineman
Anderson-Evans-Gallagher

I do think Hughes is gonna trade for a 2C, probably targeting a team looking for futures and prospects. Dach and Newhook have little value right now so trading either one is bad asset management. They're more valuable on a third line. Habs don't really need to trade Anderson/Gallagher until 2026 summer when the Hutson contract will eventually kick in, and they might want to also go do some big game hunting on the market, etc.

Ouff the most expensive 4th line in the league.

 

[Kimota]

JCL at Sparre made a comment that I thought was stupid at first and then thought about it and thought it would not be a bad choice: Tavares for second line center if we cannot get someone in their prime.

 

[Andrei79]

JCL at Sparre made a comment that I thought was stupid at first and then thought about it and thought it would not be a bad choice: Tavares for second line center if we cannot get someone in their prime.

Yeah, I would definitely do it. He's a hard worker off ice and even if he's slowed down, he's still better than anything we have. Having Tavares this year would have brought this team into the playoffs. The issue is he's not going to sign in Montreal. Chances are he's going to stay in Toronto on a team friendly deal.

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

Ouff the most expensive 4th line in the league.

Offset by the cheapest 1st line in the league lol

 

[BargainBinSpecial]

We’re in the same boat here, I want to get bigger and meaner and have been saying it since I joined this board.

I’m just saying that they sniffed around on him, so it’s potentially someone they’d take a flyer on. Do I want him? Not especially, but he does provide elite level offense and defense without giving up any assets.

Bennett is the one for me, but I’ve made that abundantly clear by this point.

I hope they move on from Newhook. Just not a fan and don’t think he fits here.

I wouldn’t be surprised if they tried to move Laine as well - if they retained 50 percent on him, he’d likely bring back something decent from a team looking to score some goals. Probably more of a deadline move though.

I see it potentially as:

Caufield - Suzuki - Slafkovsky
Demidov - Bennett - Laine
Heineman - Dach - Anderson
Davidson - Evans - Beck
*Gallagher (potentially bought out)

Hutson - Matheson
Guhle - Carrier
Xhekaj - Reinbacher

Montembeault
Dobes

Basically -

In: Bennett, Demidov, Reinbacher, Davidson, Beck

Out: Newhook, Struble, Armia, Savard, Gallagher

Price gets traded to a team to reach capfloor for a reclamation project. Gally goes on LTIR. Bennett will go for over 10 mil./yr. I doubt the Habs do that.

 

[vokiel]

JCL at Sparre made a comment that I thought was stupid at first and then thought about it and thought it would not be a bad choice: Tavares for second line center if we cannot get someone in their prime.

Rather get Duchene, but it's more or so the same kind of logic. Duchene would just be cheaper imho.

 

[HabsCode]

Yeah, I would definitely do it. He's a hard worker off ice and even if he's slowed down, he's still better than anything we have. Having Tavares this year would have brought this team into the playoffs. The issue is he's not going to sign in Montreal. Chances are he's going to stay in Toronto on a team friendly deal.

Yeah no chance pajamas sign in Montreal. Life long Leafers Montreal is probably the last place he would want to play.

 

[salbutera]

Jean Béliveau has more than PPG for his entire career.
Mike Ribiero got a 84 points season once, even if it wasn't with the Habs

Le Gros Bill was never drafted - he signed as UFA

Yes Ribeiro scored 84 w Stars

Newsy Lalonde has the Habs record for best PPG at nearly 2 PPG …. he too wasn’t drafted… albeit draft didn’t exist at start of NHL

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Man it's a shame there weren't any young, cheap, stopgap C's available at the deadline to take the load off Suzuki and give Beck time to get up to speed.

In unrelated news, Cody Glass has 3 points in 2 games since getting traded.

 

[salbutera]

Man it's a shame there weren't any young, cheap, stopgap C's available at the deadline to take the load off Suzuki and give Beck time to get up to speed.

In unrelated news, Cody Glass has 3 points in 2 games since getting traded.

Cozens scores again - have a feeling he’s going to turn into a top end C W Sens

 

[Chomsky22]

I think next year's lineup is probably going to look closer to this:

Caufield-Suzuki-Slafkovsky
Laine-2C Trade-Demidov
Newhook-Dach-Heineman
Anderson-Evans-Gallagher

I do think Hughes is gonna trade for a 2C, probably targeting a team looking for futures and prospects. Dach and Newhook have little value right now so trading either one is bad asset management. They're more valuable on a third line. Habs don't really need to trade Anderson/Gallagher until 2026 summer when the Hutson contract will eventually kick in, and they might want to also go do some big game hunting on the market, etc.

I’d overpay for bo horvat over any ufas and shitty middle of the line up C.

habs should drop a blank check for Marner then trade for a center
and if you land Marner you trade Laine at 50%.

The rest of the kids will come up slowly

With what cap space?

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

I’d overpay for bo horvat over any ufas and shitty middle of the line up C.


With what cap space?

What do you mean what cap space?

Carey Price contract will be moved this summer
Savard Armia Pezetta Dvorak all gone is most likely 11m+
Trade Laine at 50% saves 4.3m

Slaf deal eats Savard and Laine at 50%

salary cap goes up by 3.5m


You can trade easily Dach or a Newhook for in a horvat trade.
Really easy to make moves.

+4.2m coming from retained salary from Allen and Petry

 

[Doublechin]

I think Horvat could be acquired for Beck and 2 firsts (might not give top 10 tho)

 

[Chili]

Le Gros Bill was never drafted - he signed as UFA

Yes Ribeiro scored 84 w Stars

Newsy Lalonde has the Habs record for best PPG at nearly 2 PPG …. he too wasn’t drafted… albeit draft didn’t exist at start of NHL

Andrew Cassels had 85 points one year with the Whalers (84 game season).

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

I think Horvat could be acquired for Beck and 2 firsts (might not give top 10 tho)

...lay off the Pipe, amigo; WAAAAAYYYY too much to give up for Horvat...

 

[salbutera]

I think Horvat could be acquired for Beck and 2 firsts (might not give top 10 tho)

Uncle Lou made it clear he is not rebuilding, he will be adding this summer

 

[themilosh]

If Colorado faces Dallas in the 1st round and gets bounced will you still say it was a brilliant move? Especially if Necas/Rantanen produce their typical playoff #s it's going to look like a huge blunder.

In theory two 7m players might be better then a single 14m, but in practice it often doesn't work out that way. Every little bit of value above a replacement level player becomes more and more valuable, we make a big deal about depth because of how often we see it be the difference maker in a series/game, but at the end of the day depth only comes into play when the top end are close to being equivalent.

Well... if say two Gallaghers or Rantanen at $12M. Id take Rants. Two Nick Suzukis or Draisatl , i take two Nicks.

Dallas is an amazing team, so is Colorado. Whoever wins btw those two is simply the better team - one player wont make the difference.

Ok, with the Cap going up , $10-12M should be reserved for super stars. Top 10 leaguewide point producers.

 

[themilosh]

I wouldn't quite go that far... There are a handful of players that are easily "worth" 12-15% of the cap and are better assets to have than 2 typical vets on 7M$ contracts.

But 100% you can't whiff on making that kind of bet... That's why I think Bennett is unfortunately a pipe dream. If he leaves Florida, itll be for top market $, and there's a team or two out there that'll give him 10M+

Also why I think Zegras is such an appealing target. The talent is there to be one of the best players from that draft (up there with Boldy, Caufield), and if the insider intel Hughes/MSL/CC can gather on him is positive, every reason to believe he could fit in quickly & be a "change of scenery" type that recovers his previous potential.

His QO ensures we can keep him on a very manageable cap hit for a few seasons, but if it goes well next year, not crazy to think he'd be open to a deal mirroring CC's that keeps him under 8M$ through the rest of his 20's. CC, Suzuki, Slaf & Zegras all under 8M$ through their mid to late 20's would be a coup and set the Habs up to have a cap structure no team can match in very short order as they all hit their peak years.

The player who was perfect at the TDL was Cozens = total workhorse..

Zegras has issues, theres something not right with him, kinda reminds me of Dru Dru..

Ouff the most expensive 4th line in the league.

Is that 4th line more expensive than some teams' 1st line?

 

[Ozmodiar]

We’re in the same boat here, I want to get bigger and meaner and have been saying it since I joined this board.

Didn’t you just suggest:
Granlund, Marner, Mercer, Bourque?

 

[Beendair Donedat]

Didn’t you just suggest:
Granlund, Marner, Mercer, Bourque?

Nope, I suggested those were players that could be on Hughes’ radar, based on reports from pundits regarding potential UFA, and young players from other organizations that may be available for the second line center position.

I’ve said all along that Bennett should be the main goal and the guy we sign. But there’s only one Bennett and we may not get him, so I mentioned some other possibilities, because not every plan works out.

I also said to buyout Gallagher, promote Davidson, and hopefully have Xhekaj Junior up here in a couple years.

I’ve always been on the get bigger and tougher bandwagon. I prefer pushing other teams around to being pushed around.

 

[Sorinth]

Well... if say two Gallaghers or Rantanen at $12M. Id take Rants. Two Nick Suzukis or Draisatl , i take two Nicks.

Dallas is an amazing team, so is Colorado. Whoever wins btw those two is simply the better team - one player wont make the difference.

Ok, with the Cap going up , $10-12M should be reserved for super stars. Top 10 leaguewide point producers.

Well Suzuki is closer to 8m then 7m so it's already kind of breaking the rules, but honestly in the end it depends on the rest of the team makeup. Ironically the Habs would benefit more by adding a 14m player and the Oilers would benefit by adding two quality 7m players because the Oilers lack depth whereas we have the depth but lack the true high end talent.

And let's face it, at the end of the day if McDavid becomes UFA and says he's willing to sign with us for 14m we'd be fools to say sorry 12m is the highest we will go.

 

[SakuKoivu11]

Elias Pettersson is a shell of himself.
Something must have happened and he needs a change.

For $11 mil I don’t like the salary but maybe if we trade Josh Anderson and Kirby Dach both salary should be ok and Vancouver needs to retain.

Also if Rasmus Dahlin I would offer them Guhle, Roy and both first round picks.


Slafkovsky Suzuki Caufield
Demidov Pettersson Laine

Dahlin Reinbacher
Hutson

Our team dynamic would change dramatically.