HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #91: 2025 Trade Deadline edition

[Vachon23]

True, I'm not sure why San Jose, Pitsburgh and Chicago need more info.

Bonneau and Donnelly lives in Montreal so they attend most of the games. Same with Alex Lapore

 

[Deebs]

JT Miller has been killing it with NYR. I feel like we missed the boat here.

The boat you missed was he only wanted to play in New York. He turned down a deal to Colorado.

 

[TheArch]

Come on now, they were both 3 to 4 years older than the picks we traded them for would've been. That's speeding up a rebuild. Even though you might disagree, it's pretty much concensus among most fans in here.

It's speeding, and it's how its been presented by Hughes. No discussion here.

 

[red devil]

 

[habsfan891]

Aka be prepared for zero trades

 

[Vachon23]

 

[Deebs]

If it's true we have a "better than a 2nd rounder" whatever that means, for Jake Evans, he better not be playing tonight because.....well.....I don't think it needs to be said.

 

[Ezpz]

We already have beck up and none of the other forwards project to be significant nhlers? Seems like a silly reason.

 

[vokiel]

They wouldn't have recalled Beck if that was the case. It's not like they want to bubble wrap them all. It's an over-exaggeration. I'm pretty sure 22 years old Davidson wouldn't mind taking another stab at the NHL down the stretch.

 

[LaP]

Highly doubt KH would tell his plan to anyone. People have to realize there's lot of guessing involved with being an insider.

 

[Habs13]

Good job Anderson!

 

[BergevinBurner]

Cozens already helping us out even though we haven't traded for him yet.

Edit: wait a minute this isn't the game thread

 

[LaP]

Can't believe Buffalo even think about trading Peterka i call BS on this rumour.

 

[Whalers Fan]

Come on now, they were both 3 to 4 years older than the picks we traded them for would've been. That's speeding up a rebuild. Even though you might disagree, it's pretty much concensus among most fans in here.

They are a similar age as Suzuki and Caufield.

By acquiring players older than the player you would draft, you are speeding up the process.

Assuming they worked out, you shorten the window because these players are 24 years old now.
By the time you are ready to compete, these guys are 26-27 years which is prime years. However 4 years after that, they would be 30+ years old already. The players you would have drafted in 2022 and 2023 would be 22-23 by the time you compete and the window would be longer.

They fit in age-wise with other young vets such as Suzuki, Caufield and Guhle. It's not speeding up the process.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

They are a similar age as Suzuki and Caufield.


They fit in age-wise with other young vets such as Suzuki, Caufield and Guhle. It's not speeding up the process.

Yes it still is. Otherwise, you're getting younger players.

 

[schwang26]

So they’re going on the road next and their only spare player is now hurt (Pezz). Why is Hughes not picking someone up off waivers??? There’s been any number of forwards recently. I just don’t get it.

 

[SOLR]

We already have beck up and none of the other forwards project to be significant nhlers? Seems like a silly reason.

Its a totally silly reason.

 

[EveryDay]

Terrible 1st period by Slafkovski.

What a pass Nick!

 

[LesCactus]

Thoughts on possibly adding Brock Nelson in FA?

 

[Whalers Fan]

Yes it still is. Otherwise, you're getting younger players.

Sorry, but I disagree. A rebuild cannot only be exclusively drafting players. No team does that.

 

[Miller Time]

And again, IF the plan is to bring back Jake 'cause they think he's a valuable asset for our future? Great with me. It's then part of a plan. If they see though that they are unable to reach an agreement and they'll keep him just because they are not satisfied with only having a 2nd rounder...I don't see how that's a plan. You are not dictating a route for your team. You are accepting that a route is being dictated to you. So RIGHT NOW i'm not against anything....nothing has been played out yet.

I don't think roster and asset management works the way you think it does. "Planning" to re-sign a player doesn't mean sign them at any cost (except I suppose in the rarest of cases when talking about generational talent).

And I don't think you understand what their approach is, despite how many times they've publicly stated it....

All of the following can be true at the same time
- they want to re-sign Evans
- they want to keep the roster while/competitive to support the push for a playoff spot
- they have set a minimum bar to be met to consider trading Evans

And all 3 are very much consistent with their stated approach.

While I fully get that one might disagree with the approach, not sure why this is hard to grasp?

Also to your other point...I really don't understand. I've been for what Hughes has done since he's here. Cause he DID have a plan. He missed in some occasions...but with a real plan. Going for 1st rounders and high draft picks, and going for younger kids hoping they'd develop here that could be part of our future. THAT is a plan I'm totally for. So...what was the nuance in his first years? There was none. We were sellers. We picked high. We added picks and youngsters.

It's been almost exactly 3 years. We have the best U25 and best non-nhl prospect group this organization has seen in decades and we are in a great place cap-wise to both retain our internal talent and be aggressive over the next 2-4 years in targetting high cap assets.

Is it really that hard to understand that the roster and asset decisions today look different than the ones in year 1 when he inherited BargainBin's mess ?

So the only nuance THIS year is that we are closer to the playoffs than ever. My sole point is this...IF you have a plan...that reality right now should not dictate what your plan should be. As close to the playoffs that we are, we do not think we are a team that could win rounds. We did not discover it. Talk to me about prior to the 4 nations tournament? But suddenly, we have to find nuance based solely on the last 4 games? If so, how that is part of plan? You don't plan anyting based on recency.

Last 4 games, lol wut?

Hughes has been saying the same thing since last summer... When a bunch of posters were crying because he didn't improve the roster as much as the Predators, Blackhawks, RedWings, Utah etc.

The approach is about building from the inside out, while being patient and opportunistic with external additions. Playoffs is the goal this year, but not in an "all-in" capacity. That's exactly what we've seen so far (Laine, Carrier, Dobes), and since the group has done it's part to stay within realistic striking distance of a PO spot, he's in no rush to be a "seller" because he knows that there is a cost internally to do so.

It's not an exact science. There will be decisions in hindsight that look bad, and others that look great. Overall, the outcomes both on ice (youngest roster in the league punching above its weight) and in organizational strength, have been nothing short of excellent.

Worst case, we keep all 4 vet UFAs, miss the playoffs on the last day, pick 9* in the first 4 rounds (or trade up), and our young core hits the summer hungry, motivated and feeling confident that the organization is behind them. I can live with that.

 

[HuGort]

I like the idea.. Both Dvorak and Evans have similar numbers and age, do well in PK and are generally players with a good attitude.

The problem with Dvorak was the expectations and his salary. He was there to replace KK on the 2nd line, but ended up being a stretch on the 3rd line at $4.45M.

If he is willing to accept $2.5M per for 3 years to play on the 4th line, I'd say go for it and let Evans walk.

Centers are hard to find. Dvorak has good faceoff percentage and Corsi

 

[Deebs]

Centers are hard to find. Dvorak has good faceoff percentage and Corsi

He sucks.....ass

 

[Nicko999]

They fit in age-wise with other young vets such as Suzuki, Caufield and Guhle. It's not speeding up the process.

Not everyone need to be the same age. Ideally you want another "younger" wave coming once your core reaches its peak or else you will have a 1 or 2 years window only.

 

[Whalers Fan]

Not everyone need to be the same age. Ideally you want another "younger" wave coming once your core reaches its peak or else you will have a 1 or 2 years window only.

Of course. However, part of the reason a team accumulates draft picks during a rebuild is to acquire players to fill in holes. No team uses every single draft pick at the draft.