HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #91: 2025 Trade Deadline edition

[Benstheman]

If NJ doesn't replace Hughes, they are not guaranteed to make the playoffs. Big decision ahead for their management team.

 

[sampollock]

Wouldn't you rather our "A" team instead?

Ya that too...
But a guy can dream of a 2nd centre

 

[Deebs]

If NJ doesn't replace Hughes, they are not guaranteed to make the playoffs. Big decision ahead for their management team.

Pending how serious the injury is, it will be close. 6 points up on Detroit/2nd wildcard spot with 20 games left.....tight

Ya that too...
But a guy can dream of a 2nd centre

For sure.....you might get both, ya never know

 

[Rapala]

Love the player but I really doubt Vegas would let him go, he’s having a solid season and is on a 60 point pace

He's a playoff beast and the type of player who can help wear down a Dcorps in a 7 game series.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

32 thoughts went through all 32 teams and said very little.

Frederic is likely gone and while no one cares but me, Brazeau is likely to be dealt.

Said Montreal is likely to look for a hockey trade.

 

[Saundies]

32 thoughts went through all 32 teams and said very little.

Frederic is likely gone and while no one cares but me, Brazeau is likely to be dealt.

Said Montreal is likely to look for a hockey trade.

Such a tightrope to walk.. Evans/Armia are on expiring deals so those are 'buyer' players for sure, but buyers aren't going to likely want to give up any sort of player that is going to help them now.

The pool will be limited, especially if they are packaged together and especially considering the type of deal we want to make.

 

[Mikah]

Nope, the sample size is pretty decent now. The overall feeling about him reminds me Eller back then. People bashed him non stop, no matter what incredible underlying numbers he has. One of the best in the league to take a face off in his own zone, get the puck out and end his shift the other side. Dvorak is not that good now, but he's getting closer, with an insanely good faceoff %.

Dvorak is playing very very well for several weeks now. Healthy for the first time in a while, still young, and most likely a way cheaper option than Evans. It's some of common for journalists and fans to spit on him, but it changes nothing he's a very solid bottom 6 C.

I summarize :

- Excellent in PK
- Excellent FO
- Positive expected goals in a non playoff team.

Cheap, young, liked by other players.

I like the idea.. Both Dvorak and Evans have similar numbers and age, do well in PK and are generally players with a good attitude.

The problem with Dvorak was the expectations and his salary. He was there to replace KK on the 2nd line, but ended up being a stretch on the 3rd line at $4.45M.

If he is willing to accept $2.5M per for 3 years to play on the 4th line, I'd say go for it and let Evans walk.

 

[sampollock]

32 thoughts went through all 32 teams and said very little.

Frederic is likely gone and while no one cares but me, Brazeau is likely to be dealt.

Said Montreal is likely to look for a hockey trade.

MTL may do nothing till draft

 

[Miller Time]

I'm suggesting that you either think Armia, Evans and Dvorak ARE key players in your reconstruction and you sign them. I wouldn't agree with Dvorak at all but at least it shows me it's part of a plan. Or I'm suggesting that you trade them for the best you can get so you get assets in return. How just riding them till the end of the year 'cause you wanted a 1st and got a 2nd instead and for that you are not going to move them makes no sense.

You're ignoring the main reason why they aren't just selling to the highest bidder... That's why it makes no sense to you.

If you simply listen to what they explained, I'm sure you'd understand.

Unless...the PLAN for THIS YEAR was really to make the playoffs. It's year 1 of showing the kids what playoffs look like and you want to ride with what you have. If so....no idea why there are discussions of Evans contract right now.

They are negotiating a contract with Evans presumably because they want to bring him back if they can reach to terms both sides agree to. What's confusing about that

so again, to me, it's all in or sell. Those are the 2 acceptable plans. Staying put 'cause you are dissapointed in the return for you not to make the playoffs and seeing those guys sign elsewhere...we've played that game before with Bergevin.

Ok, sure. I don't agree with you, and apparently neither do they.

In the real world, there's far more nuance to decision making than your either/or scenario implies. Two people can reach the same decision yet have entirely different rational... Context is everything.

Bergevin proved himself to be incompetent and incapable of big picture thinking. Neither are features of the current regime.


I appreciate the frustration. The potential outcome of missing the playoffs while getting the worst pick of non-playoff teams and not getting any assets from Savard, Dvorak, Evans & Armia frankly sucks... and it would be virtually impossible to quantify what, if any, actual value the team gained from not selling all 4 to the highest bidder. It's such a no-brainer that either KH is a complete idiot or...

 

[calder candidate]

Hughes injured in NJ.
Gonna need an extra C soon
(Evans, the 4th Hughes bro)

If Hughes is injured, NJ isn’t a buyer…

 

[Deebs]

I like the idea.. Both Dvorak and Evans have similar numbers and age, do well in PK and are generally players with a good attitude.

The problem with Dvorak was the expectations and his salary. He was there to replace KK on the 2nd line, but ended up being a stretch on the 3rd line at $4.45M.

If he is willing to accept $2.5M per for 3 years to play on the 4th line, I'd say go for it and let Evans walk.

For 4 years, myself and many on this board have been begging for Dvo to be off the team because he basically does nothing well, except faceoffs. He doesn't hit, doesn't score, doesn't forecheck well, nothing....except faceoffs. The only way I would bring him back is on a 1 year deal and even the thought of that gives me the chills.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

bo horvat should be prime target. experienced, not too old, signed long term, lefthanded, solid two way player with excellent fo%.

8.5 M for a 60 pt player until he is 36 yo is very risky.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

8.5 M for a 60 pt player until he is 36 yo is very risky.

If it's the price to pay to finally have a stable mid to long term 2C vet solution , I'm more than willing to pay it. That would be a big stumbling block taken off.

 

[sampollock]

Need a top tier centre or forget it
At least as good as Nick S

 

[Saundies]

For 4 years, myself and many on this board have been begging for Dvo to be off the team because he basically does nothing well, except faceoffs. He doesn't hit, doesn't score, doesn't forecheck well, nothing....except faceoffs. The only way I would bring him back is on a 1 year deal and even the thought of that gives me the chills.

I hate the idea too but....

With Dach hurt and looking more and more every hour to not be either a centre or part of the team's future, we need C's. Evans looks to be gone, either before Friday or in the summer.

Beck looks decent and will probably be on the team next year but we need another option.

I'm thinking Dvo is like a last resort if he's still there mid-summer and no plausible trade option has shown itself. At least I hope he's not a priority.

 

[sampollock]

Dach will be a 3rd line winger

 

[Andy]

horvat is turning 30 in April. I don’t think he has the skating ability to be productive until late 30s when his contract runs out

 

[Deebs]

I hate the idea too but....

With Dach hurt and looking more and more every hour to not be either a centre or part of the team's future, we need C's. Evans looks to be gone, either before Friday or in the summer.

Beck looks decent and will probably be on the team next year but we need another option.

I'm thinking Dvo is like a last resort if he's still there mid-summer and no plausible trade option has shown itself. At least I hope he's not a priority.

I'm feeling nauseous lol. If we do bring him back....I'm thinking our bottom 6 looks like this, for now.

Heineman - Beck - Anderson (Which i think could be dynamite)

??????? - Dvo - Gallagher (If we could find a body snatching savage to flank those two, it might be alright)

 

[Saundies]

I'm feeling nauseous lol

I know, I know.... I've been a "Dvo, hell no" guy for a while now.

Kent is good at getting things done though and seems to know what holes we have most of the time, so I'm expecting either a trade or something to patch up the C spot.

 

[vokiel]

It shouldn't be too hard to find better stop gap options July 1st other than Dvorak. I'm not even sure he gets a deal in the summer.

 

[WeThreeKings]

How was Cozens on Saturday night?

Terrible.. just shoots whenever he gets it. Skates into the boards whenever he has to carry it.

 

[le_sean]

Nope, the sample size is pretty decent now. The overall feeling about him reminds me Eller back then. People bashed him non stop, no matter what incredible underlying numbers he has. One of the best in the league to take a face off in his own zone, get the puck out and end his shift the other side. Dvorak is not that good now, but he's getting closer, with an insanely good faceoff %.

Dvorak is playing very very well for several weeks now. Healthy for the first time in a while, still young, and most likely a way cheaper option than Evans. It's some of common for journalists and fans to spit on him, but it changes nothing he's a very solid bottom 6 C.

I summarize :

- Excellent in PK
- Excellent FO
- Positive expected goals in a non playoff team.

Cheap, young, liked by other players.

He’s nothing like Eller. Lars at least wasn’t afraid of contact. His wingers are doing the majority of the work, that’s why he looks passable.

I don’t understand how anyone could watch Dvorak and think he’s good. It’s really a case of he was so bad for two years that just looking like an average player for a handful of games means he’s good.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

I'd be perfectly fine with Schenn, ROR, Horvat, etc. Just take care of the 2C problem for a decent while and I'm a happy camper. Pay what you have to.

 

[Benstheman]

8.5 M for a 60 pt player until he is 36 yo is very risky.

No matter what you do, at one point, your star players will be signed to big money until they are 34-35-36yo. It's Inevitable for a competitive team. What will you do when Suzuki becomes UFA in 5 years?? He will be 30yo. If he is still producing like he does this year, do you resign him or let him go?? If you sign him, you will need to give him a contract that will last until his 36-37 yo. Risky yes. But inevitable if you are still in your window.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

If it's the price to pay to finally have a stable mid to long term 2C vet solution , I'm more than willing to pay it. That would be a big stumbling block taken off.

We have the assets to acquire a player who fits much better with the age of the habs core group.

Horvat is already not worth his contract. When he starts declining, that contract will become an albatross that will affect the habs chance of competing for a cup.