HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #91: 2025 Trade Deadline edition

[EXPOS123]

He doesn't do much but he is not brittle.

What are you talking about? He’s missed on average 25 games per year for the past five years

If that’s not brittle I don’t know what is .

 

[WinterLion]

WORST CASE:

We don't sell.

Miss the Playoffs.

Calgary slips into top 10.

FLA wins the Cup.

I cry....

 

[themilosh]

WORST CASE:

We don't sell.

Miss the Playoffs.

Calgary slips into top 10.

FLA wins the Cup.

I cry....

I think Calgary is heading for bottom 10 finish.. it is what it is.

 

[JianYang]

On the value of second round draft picks to the Habs.

2003: Corey Urquhart, C, 51st overall
2005: Guillaume Latendresse, RW, 45th overall
2006:
Ben Maxwell, C, 49th overall
Mathieu Carle, D, 53rd overall
2007: P.K. Subban, D, 43rd overall
2008: Danny Kristo, RW, 56th overall
2012:
Sebastian Collberg, RW, 33rd overall
Dalton Thrower, D, 51st overall
2013: Artturi Lehkonen, LW, 55th overall
2017:
Josh Brook, D, 56th kverall
Joni Ikonen, C, 58th overall
2018:
Jesse Ylönen, RW, 35th overall
Alexander Romanov , D, 38th overall
2019: Jayden Struble, D, 46th overall
2020:
Luke Tuch, LW, 47th overall
Jan Mysak, LW, 48th overall
2021:
Riley Kidney, C, 63rd overall
Oliver Kapanen, C, 64th overall
2022:
Owen Beck, C, 33rd overall
Lane Hutson, D, 62nd overall

Looks like the probability of getting an impact player is around 25%.

So if the Habs trade all of Armia, Evans, Savard, and Dvorak, they should expect to get one impact player out of it.

Probably needs to be broken down further since a 2nd rounder could be anything from 30ish to 60ish in ranking.

Also need to to determine when this player would actually become an nhl regular, and how many years would we be into the rebuild overall when that happens. Suzuki would likely be in his 30s at that point.

 

[le_sean]

Assuming Dvo takes league minimum, or close to it that would work, too.

I wouldn’t take Dvorak back if he paid the Habs league minimum

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

It’s not gonna be enough (IMO). They gonna want at least a blueship prospect.Even more considering we are not shipping them a top first rounder. It’s tough to find a comparable for a trade involving Crosby, but muost superstar lands blueships, not medium prospects/picks.

No 38 year old player is worth two firsts and Hage. I don’t care if his name is Mario Lemieux.

We can do a lot. We have tons to trade with. We could even move some players at the deadline for another first and give them three. But two firsts and a top prospect is overboard. Two firsts and Roy or Mailloux should be enough. We could include Struble as well.

 

[TomKosto]

No 38 year old player is worth two firsts and Hage. I don’t care if his name is Mario Lemieux.

We can do a lot. We have tons to trade with. We could even move some players at the deadline for another first and give them three. But two firsts and a top prospect is overboard.

Time will tell but any contenders can match mid first + b lvl prospect. Maybe if Sid says it’s Mtl and only Mtl, but hes the definition of a true pro and he wont place Pittsburgh in that position. I’m willing to bet he will retire has a Pen, it’s not like he never won a cup and want that before his carreer is over like Ray Bourque did.

 

[DrBizz4r3]

WORST CASE:

We don't sell.

Miss the Playoffs.

Calgary slips into top 10.

FLA wins the Cup.

I cry....

Every Time! I’m still sour to the late clinch of Florida and their Stanley cup push in 2022…

 

[Treb]

On the value of second round draft picks to the Habs.

2003: Corey Urquhart, C, 51st overall
2005: Guillaume Latendresse, RW, 45th overall
2006:
Ben Maxwell, C, 49th overall
Mathieu Carle, D, 53rd overall
2007: P.K. Subban, D, 43rd overall
2008: Danny Kristo, RW, 56th overall
2012:
Sebastian Collberg, RW, 33rd overall
Dalton Thrower, D, 51st overall
2013: Artturi Lehkonen, LW, 55th overall
2017:
Josh Brook, D, 56th kverall
Joni Ikonen, C, 58th overall
2018:
Jesse Ylönen, RW, 35th overall
Alexander Romanov , D, 38th overall
2019: Jayden Struble, D, 46th overall
2020:
Luke Tuch, LW, 47th overall
Jan Mysak, LW, 48th overall
2021:
Riley Kidney, C, 63rd overall
Oliver Kapanen, C, 64th overall
2022:
Owen Beck, C, 33rd overall
Lane Hutson, D, 62nd overall

Looks like the probability of getting an impact player is around 25%.

So if the Habs trade all of Armia, Evans, Savard, and Dvorak, they should expect to get one impact player out of it.

But on the other side, the success rate since 2018 looks to be pretty good.

Hutson is a big homerun.
Romanov is great and Beck looks like it too.
Kapanen might be good.
Struble is a decent depth D and Tuch might be a decent 4th liner.
Kidney was looking rough but has been on the upswing and might still do something.
Ylonen and Mysak busted.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

But on the other side, the success rate since 2018 looks to be pretty good.

Hutson is a big homerun.
Romanov is great and Beck looks like it too.
Kapanen might be good.
Struble is a decent depth D and Tuch might be a decent 4th liner.
Kidney was looking rough but has been on the upswing and might still do something.
Ylonen and Mysak busted.

And very good when you only consider Hughes selections.

 

[tazsub3]

No 38 year old player is worth two firsts and Hage. I don’t care if his name is Mario Lemieux.

We can do a lot. We have tons to trade with. We could even move some players at the deadline for another first and give them three. But two firsts and a top prospect is overboard. Two firsts and Roy or Mailloux should be enough. We could include Struble as well.

Hage Won’t be the one I am trading for anyone .
Elite talent , a story that makes him Habs at heart . This guy is a keeper

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Now RDS shooting articles that Cozens should be a high target.

Another floater like Dach that cant play center.
Truly remarkable how journalists are so terrible at their jobs.

 

[Benstheman]

Now RDS shooting articles that Cozens should be a high target.

Another floater like Dach that cant play center.
Truly remarkable how journalists are so terrible at their jobs.

I agree Cozens shouldn’t be the target. Unless we give Dach in return and not much more.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

I agree Cozens shouldn’t be the target. Unless we give Dach in return and not much more.

He got paid 7m for 1 good season , I can't be the only one seeing another Drouism or Dach in action for this player. He's also terrible on faceoffs. couldnt be a worse match

 

[HuGo Sham]

If I were GM, and fortunately I'm not
I would think Hughes' plan is 3 fold.

1- try to trade for that young C, which seems virtually impossible based on the price tag and the fact that if some are actually available it's probably because they possess 'Dach' like flaws.

2- scour the market for an older 2C - not someone with crazy amount of term but a kind of placeholder with more offence than say Evans. This seems realistic and could probably be procured with picks and maybe a prospect that doesn't set back the rebuild. They could even resign Evans and have a Beck / Evans combo at 3/4.

3- figure out a way with the ample picks and prospects like Mailloux, Roy, etc to get into the top 10 and pick Misa, Hagens, Desnoyers...who along with Hage will be ready once the vet placeholder's contract is close to being up

then...Suzuki and Caufield are still around 26 and 28...Slaf only like 23...Demidov 21...and hage 21...etc...things still align up front

 

[tazsub3]

I agree Cozens shouldn’t be the target. Unless we give Dach in return and not much more.

No I prefer no cozens at all.
I am still very high on dach as a winger and he will be very affordable after the injuries

If I were GM, and fortunately I'm not
I would think Hughes' plan is 3 fold.

1- try to trade for that young C, which seems virtually impossible based on the price tag and the fact that if some are actually available it's probably because they possess 'Dach' like flaws.

2- scour the market for an older 2C - not someone with crazy amount of term but a kind of placeholder with more offence than say Evans. This seems realistic and could probably be procured with picks and maybe a prospect that doesn't set back the rebuild. They could even resign Evans and have a Beck / Evans combo at 3/4.

3- figure out a way with the ample picks and prospects like Mailloux, Roy, etc to get into the top 10 and pick Misa, Hagens, Desnoyers...who along with Hage will be ready once the vet placeholder's contract is close to being up

then...Suzuki and Caufield are still around 26 and 28...Slaf only like 23...Demidov 21...and hage 21...etc...things still align up front

Plan 4 , project demidov as a center ?

 

[TomKosto]

No I prefer no cozens at all.
I am still very high on dach as a winger and he will be very affordable after the injuries


Plan 4 , project demidov as a center ?

What could go wrong asking a blueship prospect to play a position he never did? (Drouin)

 

[Nedved]

I think Calgary is heading for bottom 10 finish.. it is what it is.

It's possible for sure, but I think it's more likely they end up WC2. Worst case is we finish 11th and Calgary ends up 10. lol.

If Calgary's pick is top 15 that's a heck of a trade.

 

[HuGo Sham]

No I prefer no cozens at all.
I am still very high on dach as a winger and he will be very affordable after the injuries


Plan 4 , project demidov as a center ?

100% they should try that too

 

[Whitesnake]

If it's LA for Evans...please no Jack Hughes. Don't believe in him at all.

Plus if you’re relying on Jake Evans to maybe make a run at the final wild card spot, you’re not ready for the playoffs.

So true. If we are at a Jake Evans short to be screwed...we are screwed.

 

[Treb]

And very good when you only consider Hughes selections.

1 year isn't really fair though.

 

[WinterLion]

NYR are sellers... they are 1 point ahead of us...

Do it Hughes!

 

[Scriptor]

Both Slafkovsky and Demidov should get an audition at C.

 

[Galaxydoggystyle]

Hage Won’t be the one I am trading for anyone .
Elite talent , a story that makes him Habs at heart . This guy is a keeper

I disagree If Hage is the one we need to add to trade to get us a 2nd line center I would do it. Hage is not a sure thing and being a Hab fan growing up doesnt do jack for us. We don't need "stories" we need actual on ice talent so we aren't wasting away our young players on 8 year deals only to get a 2nd line center halfway through or even worse before those contracts end. We need to fill the 2nd line center and RD holes ASAP and not wait on prospects.

 

[TheArch]

I wouldn’t take Dvorak back if he paid the Habs league minimum

I wouldn’t take Dvorak back if he paid the Habs league minimum

Well, Dvorak is playing very good hockey for quite some time now. He's pretty good now. Not 4M good, but 2M x 2 years good. 7th C with the most PK time in the NHL, yet he's 28th for goals allowed (that's f***in great). Meanwhile, his expected goal for % is third C material, and on the upper hand. He benefits from playing with Gally and Anderson, but it's a two-way truth, they benefits from playing with him.

I don't know if he can keep this pace, but he's actually accelerating. Both Gally and Anderson signed for 2 more years, I'd probably offer a 2 years deal at 2M ich and call if a great safety net.