HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #90: 2024-2025 season part III

[WeThreeKings]

Evans on his own would bring a modest return. Armia on his own would bring a modest return. But the two of them together on the open trade market could bring back something significant. They are a top penalty-killing pair, they have played together at five-on-five for the better part of two seasons and would arrive on a new team looking for help on the PK and improved depth at forward as a plug-and-play solution to both problems.

This is an idea we floated before the 4 Nations break, and the Canadiens are exploring it on the trade market, a league source said. The goal for the Canadiens here is to add a third first-round pick in the upcoming draft, and that has already been set as the market rate for a package deal of two rentals. The Pittsburgh Penguins got that – plus a prospect and two undesirable contracts – from the Vancouver Canucks for Marcus Pettersson and Drew O’Connor, and the San Jose Sharks got that from the Dallas Stars for Mikael Granlund and Cody Ceci.

Otherwise, it seems as though the market for David Savard and Christian Dvorak is rather soft, especially at their relatively high salary cap hit, and it doesn’t sound as though the Canadiens are all that interested in using their final salary retention slot on either of them.

The Canadiens would probably be just fine with letting both Savard and Dvorak play out their contracts because that would solve another problem the Canadiens have to manage after the trade deadline.

 

[Essenege]

Or a Evans, Arima and 1st rounder

Getting Nemec would be awesome but I don’t think this is getting it done.

 

[Benstheman]

Evans on his own would bring a modest return. Armia on his own would bring a modest return. But the two of them together on the open trade market could bring back something significant. They are a top penalty-killing pair, they have played together at five-on-five for the better part of two seasons and would arrive on a new team looking for help on the PK and improved depth at forward as a plug-and-play solution to both problems.

This is an idea we floated before the 4 Nations break, and the Canadiens are exploring it on the trade market, a league source said. The goal for the Canadiens here is to add a third first-round pick in the upcoming draft, and that has already been set as the market rate for a package deal of two rentals. The Pittsburgh Penguins got that – plus a prospect and two undesirable contracts – from the Vancouver Canucks for Marcus Pettersson and Drew O’Connor, and the San Jose Sharks got that from the Dallas Stars for Mikael Granlund and Cody Ceci.

Otherwise, it seems as though the market for David Savard and Christian Dvorak is rather soft, especially at their relatively high salary cap hit, and it doesn’t sound as though the Canadiens are all that interested in using their final salary retention slot on either of them.

The Canadiens would probably be just fine with letting both Savard and Dvorak play out their contracts because that would solve another problem the Canadiens have to manage after the trade deadline.

Evans + Armia (50%) retained + ??

for Nemec + Bastian or Tatar (cap dump)

What would be the + needed?? Calgary's 1st?

 

[HabsForHire]

Vilimaki has more offensive potential than Struble. I like Struble for his grit and his calmness in clearing, but he isn’t really about to lead a power play or make good offensive dzone exits. Vilimaki has that potential and is still young for a D. Cost very little and could swap out with Struble in games where less oomph is needed.

He is a first rounder that hasn’t lived up to his potential, but he is still young at 26.

don't need

 

[Rapala]

I've always thought that if we move Evans we hold on to Dvorak to finish the season given his expected return or lack thereof.

 

[waitin425]

First I would try and make a deal for Simon Nemec. Trade away Jake Evans + the worse of our two 1sts + Adam Engstrom for Simon Nemec.

Next move to UFA's for the summer.

Bennett would be a decent target....but he has never scored more than 49 points.....so we can't get silly.

I'd offer him a 7 year contract in the 6.5 range. Could bite us. But with the cap going up, it seems doable for what he brings. Could age like Gally though.

Start of 2025/26 season

Caufield - Suzuki - Slaf
Laine - Bennett - Demidov
Heinemen - Dach - Newhook
Anderson - Beck - Gally

Guhle - Matheson
Hutson - Nemec
Xhekaj - Carrier

As we move forward in years to come with the additions of Hage and Reinbacher and possibly Mailloux, we can do something like.....

Caufield - Suzuki - Slaf
Bennett/Laine - Bennett/Hage - Demidov
Heinemen - Hage/Beck - Newhook
FloJack - Beck - Kapanen

Guhle - Nemec
Hutson - Rein
Xhekaj - Mailloux/Carrier

 

[Egresch]

...with Casey up in Jersey and playing well, they might revisit moving Nemec...

I seriously think Nemec will ask for a trade if it goes like this. He has zero trust from his coach, no patience and they are trying to force him to play stay-at-home style which is insane. Pairi g him with Hughes and complaining it does not work is plain stupid.
He would fit well with Guhle or Xhekaj.

 

[Vachon23]

Rumors on X say Nemec for Dobson type swap. The equivalent would’ve been Slaf or Reinbacher for Dobson for us.

Not reliable at all

 

[Kosseca]

How so. An overpaid player as he ages and produces less and less in a physically demanding role?

Maybe, but, IMO, Bennett will still bring more to the table with a diminishing offensive production than Gallagher can. The contract has less chance of becoming an albatross contract, even if it does not remain a full value contract.

Bennett, on a 7-year deal around 7M, that somehow strictly becomes a 3rd line, shutdown C for three years at the tail end of his contract, but gave you solid 2C minutes for the first four years through his 32 years of age, reaching a point where nobody knows how much higher than 113M/114M the Cap ceiling will be by then, won't be handicapping you, either on the ice, or on the team Cap.

Plus, the extra Cap weight on a still important position as a shutdown 3rd line C won't last more than 3 years, maybe less with salary held back in a trade at year 7 of his contract, or through a buyout with a 2.33M Cap implication over two years at that point. An ELC arriving on the roster, at that time, could well offset the 2.33M Cap implication, or the salary held back for only the current year in a trade as a rental.

I honestly don't see a Team Canada Center like Bennett getting less than Suzuki -- even if it appears a bit high for a 50-point C -- as a problem. If we are talking 8M or more, yes, that is a problem for future Cap considerations as youngsters pony up for extensions.

As far as value for that 7-year contract, I believe it will be good, if not excellent. Bennett would perhaps be part of a long playoff hunt in the third year of his contract as a 2C, but surely by the fourth year of his contract, with Hutson being in his fourth and fifth years at the NHL level, Demidov being in his 3RD and 4TH years, Suzuki, Caufield and Guhle being at their peak, plus other youngsters potentially bringing bang for the buck on ELCs at that point (Hage, for example, or a pick from 2025).

I feel that a 7millions+ Bennett is as bad as Gally right now. We can agree to disagree.

Where i think you are very wrong is about a "team Canada" C making less then Suzuki. If anything, if you are Bennett agent, you want to stay as far away from any Suzuki comparable as possible, because that just hurt your value. Being on team Canada, in a niche role, does not make you a "more deserving" guy.

 

[Vachon23]

Evans on his own would bring a modest return. Armia on his own would bring a modest return. But the two of them together on the open trade market could bring back something significant. They are a top penalty-killing pair, they have played together at five-on-five for the better part of two seasons and would arrive on a new team looking for help on the PK and improved depth at forward as a plug-and-play solution to both problems.

This is an idea we floated before the 4 Nations break, and the Canadiens are exploring it on the trade market, a league source said. The goal for the Canadiens here is to add a third first-round pick in the upcoming draft, and that has already been set as the market rate for a package deal of two rentals. The Pittsburgh Penguins got that – plus a prospect and two undesirable contracts – from the Vancouver Canucks for Marcus Pettersson and Drew O’Connor, and the San Jose Sharks got that from the Dallas Stars for Mikael Granlund and Cody Ceci.

Otherwise, it seems as though the market for David Savard and Christian Dvorak is rather soft, especially at their relatively high salary cap hit, and it doesn’t sound as though the Canadiens are all that interested in using their final salary retention slot on either of them.

The Canadiens would probably be just fine with letting both Savard and Dvorak play out their contracts because that would solve another problem the Canadiens have to manage after the trade deadline.

Who wrote that ?

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

I seriously think Nemec will ask for a trade if it goes like this. He has zero trust from his coach, no patience and they are trying to force him to play stay-at-home style which is insane. Pairi g him with Hughes and complaining it does not work is plain stupid.
He would fit well with Guhle or Xhekaj.

Guhle - Carrier
Hutson - Reinbacher
Xhekaj - Nemec
Struble - Mailloux

...I realize that there wouldn't be any older Vets, but it's a nice young base to start from...with any luck, Guhle keeps progressing to become the two-way STUD he looks to be; he could conceivably grow to carry a Top Pairing:

Guhle - Nemec/Mailloux

...said pairing would bring the high-octane offense from either Nemec or Mailloux and Guhle could be the Ice General out there (like Markov was)...


Hutson - Reinbacher

...same as the above pairing, just offense from the left in Hutson and two-way ability on the right in Reinbacher...


Xhekaj/Struble - Carrier

...defensive shutdown pairing with at least some ability to move the puck as well...and having a Nuclear Option in Jackeye never hurts, either...


...Hughes/Gorton really have to be players in the hunt if Nemec is available, imo...

 

[Weltschmerz]

Who wrote that ?

When you follow the link you see it's from Arpon Basu.

 

[tazsub3]

Exactly very well put but we are currently a 25th place team running a -28 goal differential and we are not at that "certain point."

yes this year we clearly are not at that certain point, but next year with demidov added, the young guys taking another step forward, a player like him can be the glue and mentor you need.
Maybe wont lead us to go far in year 1 of his contract, but by 2nd and 3rd years, we should be contenders.

 

[DAChampion]

All owners are rich. Some are just cheap bastards. So what if they are in a smaller market and generate less income. The franchise value keeps going up more than any income they make.

Owning a major league sports franchise is like owning a high-interest, dividend-bearing GIC that also brings in tax credits, government subsidies, and social cachet.

That kind of guaranteed high-yield investment is obviously not available to the common man. Really the very concept of "high-interest, dividend-bearing GIC" should make your head spin.

 

[therocket9]

0% chance of getting Bennet you would have a better chance at getting EP 40.

 

[SwiftyHab]

Arpon Basu in the Athletic today confirmed that the Habs are looking to package Evans and Armia and asking for a 1st rounder.

 

[Trabdy2]

Arpon Basu in the Athletic today confirmed that the Habs are looking to package Evans and Armia and asking for a 1st rounder.

Very interesting. I can see the value there, especially if we end up taking a roster player back on an expiring contract to make room for the other team.

It would be cool to add another 1st this year somehow, because I have a feeling we'll be trading at least one of our 1sts in a package for a roster upgrade before the draft.

 

[The Great Weal]

Arpon Basu in the Athletic today confirmed that the Habs are looking to package Evans and Armia and asking for a 1st rounder.

Hopefully next year's 1st.

 

[vokiel]

Arpon Basu in the Athletic today confirmed that the Habs are looking to package Evans and Armia and asking for a 1st rounder.

Both needed in Carolina for Rantanen and a 2026 1st.

 

[salbutera]

So, if I’m reading this correctly, Habs have the 2nd easiest schedule in the NHL for the remainder of the season (25GP).

Det, NYR, CBJ have the hardest remaining schedule and NYI have the 9th most difficult schedule.

NHL Remaining Schedule Strength | Tankathon

Shows the remaining strength of schedule for NHL teams based on the points per game of the opponents left on their schedule.

www.tankathon.com

 

[Adam Michaels]

Arpon Basu in the Athletic today confirmed that the Habs are looking to package Evans and Armia and asking for a 1st rounder.

I think he's mentioned it a few times already. Not sure if he's saying it as an opinion or if he's saying it because he's gotten some info.

 

[GrandBison]

Not a lot of 1st still available this year.

Arpon Basu in the Athletic today confirmed that the Habs are looking to package Evans and Armia and asking for a 1st rounder.

Florida 1st from CGY would be nice.

 

[SwiftyHab]

I think he's mentioned it a few times already. Not sure if he's saying it as an opinion or if he's saying it because he's gotten some info.

he mentioned it as a hypotehtical proposal before but now hes saying that he's hearing from "league sources" that KH is actually proposing this combo and asking a 1st for both. he then hypothesizes that Kh will use some combo of the 3 1sts to make an impact trade for a long-term (not rental) impact player

 

[Garry Valk]

I think he's mentioned it a few times already. Not sure if he's saying it as an opinion or if he's saying it because he's gotten some info.

The way it is written he’s confirmed the info. He also says Armia told Habs he’d like to re-sign.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Welp you can count us out on EP40