HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #90: 2024-2025 season part III

[McGuires Corndog]

And we would never consider trading Suzuki if a Dach calibre player is the main piece coming back.

Suzuki has gotten better every year, and Suzuki isn’t signed to an albatross contract. Suzuki has already proven his worth in the playoffs, as a 21 year old I might add.

 

[Vachon23]

Suzuki has gotten better every year, and Suzuki isn’t signed to an albatross contract. Suzuki has already proven his worth in the playoffs, as a 21 year old I might add.

The same year, EP had 18 pts in 17 games during those playoffs while Suzuki had 16 in 22

 

[McGuires Corndog]

The same year, EP had 18 pts in 17 games during those playoffs while Suzuki had 16 in 22

What has he done since?

 

[Benstheman]

Suzuki has gotten better every year, and Suzuki isn’t signed to an albatross contract. Suzuki has already proven his worth in the playoffs, as a 21 year old I might add.

Suzuki's value right now is higher than Pettersson. But Pettersson is more talented offensively. That would be a great 1-2 punch for years. But I wouldn't pay through the roof to get him. Too much risk right now. We see it with Laine. Not saying Pettersson's situation is the same but it still a risk.

 

[Vachon23]

But Pettersson is more talented offensively..

And defensively

 

[McGuires Corndog]

Suzuki's value right now is higher than Pettersson. But Pettersson is more talented offensively. That would be a great 1-2 punch for years. But I wouldn't pay through the roof to get him. Too much risk right now. We see it with Laine right now. Not saying Pettersson's situation is the same but it still a risk.

This is reasonable, fair and unbiased take.

Pettersson IS more talented offensively and if he rebounds they would make an excellent 1-2 punch. The question is whether or not he rebounds, and being we have to ask that question - like you said, he is now worth less than Suzuki from a risk-reward asset standpoint.

He’s not a player you unload premium assets for right now. End of story.

 

[Benstheman]

And defensively

Debatable

 

[ReimanSum1908]

As if.. Hughes better take care of his addiction to poorly developed projects. The guy is still too much an agent and not enough a GM.

No, no. We need to bring in more failed prospects like Dach and Newhook. That's the way to really jumpstart the rebuild, but correcting other teams' mistakes made during theirs.

 

[Vachon23]

This is reasonable, fair and unbiased take.

Pettersson IS more talented offensively and if he rebounds they would make an excellent 1-2 punch. The question is whether or not he rebounds, and being we have to ask that question - like you said, he is now worth less than Suzuki from a risk-reward asset standpoint.

He’s not a player you unload premium assets for right now. End of story.

Player of his caliber at his age are never available, so when they are you need to consider it. Like Joe Thornton 29 years ago

 

[Benstheman]

Player of his caliber at his age are never available, so when they are you need to consider it. Like Joe Thornton 29 years ago

I agree you need to consider it. It depends on the price.

A 1-2 punch of centers that can put up pig and more while being solid two-way players would be awesome. At the same time, that's what Vancouver had and they did nothing with it...

 

[McGuires Corndog]

Player of his caliber at his age are never available, so when they are you need to consider it. Like Joe Thornton 29 years ago

Except when Joe Thornton was traded from Boston he had 33pts in 23 games. And history would indicate the return for Thornton was not stellar at the time, especially with hindsight today.

So yes, if you can acquire Peterson for a mix of middling assets like SJ did to acquire Thornton, I’m open to listening to it.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Dude, he’s on pace for 55pts at 11.6M.

He’s got a short window to redeem himself or he ends up in Laine negative value getting traded for Jordan Harris territory.

He’s soft as f***. It’s a massive risk at this point.

Softness hierachy's bottom part:

Soft serve
Baby poo
EP

 

[malcb33]

And defensively

I really like Pettersson when he's on, and I do agree he's overall a more talented player than Suzuki, but Nick is certainly far more consistent, durable and has a much better contract. Nick also has the right mentality to play in a high-pressure market.

All of that is beside the point now IMO, because I don't believe Pettersson is available now that Vancouver has traded Miller.

 

[LaP]

Except when Joe Thornton was traded from Boston he had 33pts in 23 games. And history would indicate the return for Thornton was not stellar at the time, especially with hindsight today.

You did not need hindsight to know the value was not good. He was traded for

Wayne Primeau 29 years old who was a 4th line player
Brad Stuart 25 years old 3rd overall pick who was an okay top 4 but at this age he was clearly not gonna reach his ceiling.
Marco Sturm 26 years old who was a middle six player

It would be like Carolina acquiring Joe Thornton for Kotkaniemi, Eric Robinson and Jack Roslovic

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

One bad year don’t definite a career

Especially with what happen this year

It's not just this year. Dude's been a ghost in the playoffs.

 

[McGuires Corndog]

I really like Pettersson when he's on, and I do agree he's overall a more talented player than Suzuki, but Nick is certainly far more consistent, durable and has a much better contract. Nick also has the right mentality to play in a high-pressure market.

All of that is beside the point now IMO, because I don't believe Pettersson is available now that Vancouver has traded Miller.

That’s another extremely fair point.

Vancouver jumping ship on Miller and EP leaves them with nothing at Center, and basically puts you back in rebuild territory. Hughes unlikely to resign at that point, even now I have my doubts he resigns. His current contract walks him right into UFA status.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

That’s another extremely fair point.

Vancouver jumping ship on Miller and EP leaves them with nothing at Center, and basically puts you back in rebuild territory. Hughes unlikely to resign at that point, even now I have my doubts he resigns. His current contract walks him right into UFA status.

He'll be Jersey bound if he ever leaves

 

[McGuires Corndog]

He'll be Jersey bound if he ever leaves

I’d say that’s an extremely safe bet.

 

[LaP]

It's not just this year. Dude's been a ghost in the playoffs.

Who EP? He's been in playoffs twice. The first time he was awesome. The second time mediocre. However you try to spin this (good outweight the bad or vice and versa) in both case it's "juste une fois au au chalet". He was awesome once and mediocre once. Sample size is too small.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

He'll be Jersey bound if he ever leaves

...watching the 3 Hughes Brothers fight over the puck in Jersey is gonna be hilarious...

 

[HuGort]

Kings are interested in Evans

 

[sampollock]

Kings are interested in Evans

you read a source? what could LA give?

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Kings are interested in Evans

Bergevin's. Even a wild guess would point to that.

 

[Team_Spirit]

So Rasmus Andersson is staying with the Flames probably..
Jones is a RD Matheson that cost 2x..

Carrier is bottom 4
DR/Mailloux/Engstrom are not ready

Biggest need is a stud RD to play with Hutson but who??

 

[sampollock]

So Rasmus Andersson is staying with the Flames probably..
Jones is a RD Matheson that cost 2x..

Carrier is bottom 4
DR/Mailloux/Engstrom are not ready

Biggest need is a stud RD to play with Hutson but who??

I bet that is what KH is asking himself