HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #90: 2024-2025 season part III

[Rapala]

I’m not sure why it’s not being used a lot more. It’s not a sine qua non correlation that all contracts should be structured like that since it takes a player willing to defer. I could understand players in very favorable tax jurisdictions not being inclined. It should however be an attractive option to players in a highly taxed location such as ours.

Only reason I responded with it’s allowed is that you alluded to cap circumvention earlier.

I don’t know that it’s not advantageous, it could just be that it was a little used provision that could get more mileage. We’ll see, I guess.

I'm not sure how appealing long term deferrals would be for high end players. Their Agencies could also be recommending they get as much in as quickly as possible. Deferred money isn't earning anything.

Four years of Trump "Pay me today please"

 

[yianik]

I’m not so sure anyone believed there was a 2nd choice. It had been long speculated he’d go there. Country music and a property he had purchased before.

If I had a dime for every “there or Montreal” scenario….

I agree , there was no second choice. Die hard country music fan , the property, it was Nashville all the way. Now, if he becomes available we show him the money and hopefully he says yes.

And he will see we are turning the corner. We also have a players coach.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

John Beecher might be an option for a 4th line centre.

Have to imagine the Bruins keep Kastelic there, but if they're open to trading him, I'd go for him instead.

Both are at 55%, or better on the dot. Kasteliic is way tougher and more physical, while Beecher is physical in his own right, just not to the degree of Kastelic. Can't fight, so Kastelic would be the first choice.

Nico Sturm - he's got over 60% winning percentage, but doesn't take a lot. Only 200+ draws so far.

 

[Habs Icing]

Can we sell anything to Vegas?

How about the cross on the mountain?

 

[Habs Icing]

That figure indicates that Zegras has better hair than Newhook.

He's being paid better so he can afford better coiffeurs. Besides, he lives in California, not far from L.A. He has to keep up appearances.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Sam Bennett would have to stick out in a very good way in this best on best and then follow it up with a stellar post season to warrant 9M from my point of view. I like Sam but I don't think he does enough to warrant that type of money.

It’s all unrealistic, but if we want a 1 year stop gap at 2C and have plenty of cap space, there is no better option that we can acquire for free

Imagine we had Bennett at 2C over Dach this season, would’ve gone a lot differently

 

[Goalfield13]

People looking at Bennett's stats need to realize the dude doesn't play PP1. He has 2C production, and has other attributes that GMs love to have come playoff time. He would be a very good 2C for us, and we will have players to play with him. Whomever gets him as a UFA is going to overpay. That's just reality. We have the cap and the cash, and I would rather have Bennett 5v5 than Laine.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

People looking at Bennett's stats need to realize the dude doesn't play PP1. He has 2C production, and has other attributes that GMs love to have come playoff time. He would be a very good 2C for us, and we will have players to play with him. Whomever gets him as a UFA is going to overpay. That's just reality. We have the cap and the cash, and I would rather have Bennett 5v5 than Laine.

By a freaking country mile.

 

[le_sean]

The wild literally have less than zzero need for any 4 wing, or 3c /4c. They have no room. Freddy G whose being paid alot of money is there 3c. Russian stud is theitr 4c. they aren't trading for bottom line C. or 4 wing. They are going after Brock Nelson. They also don't need D. they are stacked in d


Montreal doesn't have anything wild need or want. They are going after Brock Nelson and Brock Boeser.

Okay well they can have fun with the worst PK in the league. That will surely go well if they have to play the Jets

People looking at Bennett's stats need to realize the dude doesn't play PP1. He has 2C production, and has other attributes that GMs love to have come playoff time. He would be a very good 2C for us, and we will have players to play with him. Whomever gets him as a UFA is going to overpay. That's just reality. We have the cap and the cash, and I would rather have Bennett 5v5 than Laine.

It’s not just about the stats. He plays like 65 games max per season. His body isn’t going to hold up well with his style of play once he’s in his 30s

 

[vokiel]

Particularly when our non-smurfs are the ones who keep going down.

2 smurfs out of 20 aren't going to go down more than the 18 others of course...

1 smurf dman out of 6 is enough, and he still needs to work on handling the gorillas in front of him, otherwise Kirby risks losing his green jacket.

 

[vokiel]

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Nico Sturm - he's got over 60% winning percentage, but doesn't take a lot. Only 200+ draws so far.

That's a fourth line center's rate?

 

[Weltschmerz]

That's a fourth line center's rate?

He also missed some games.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Same a Frank Saverelli quote where he said Evans to Toronto for Fla’s 2nd and Rori Hirvonen.

Not sure if it was a rumour or if he was making a proposal.

 

[ReHabs]

Same a Frank Saverelli quote where he said Evans to Toronto for Fla’s 2nd and Rori Hirvonen.

Not sure if it was a rumour or if he was making a proposal.

Not good enough, sadly

 

[DAChampion]

Not good enough, sadly

Honestly does anybody here know anything about Hirvonen?

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Honestly does anybody here know anything about Hirvonen?

Never thought much of him and he hasn't done anything in the AHL when he is healthy.
Would have to be at least Minten and a 2nd.

 

[Ozmodiar]

People looking at Bennett's stats need to realize the dude doesn't play PP1. He has 2C production, and has other attributes that GMs love to have come playoff time. He would be a very good 2C for us, and we will have players to play with him. Whomever gets him as a UFA is going to overpay. That's just reality. We have the cap and the cash, and I would rather have Bennett 5v5 than Laine.

For any proposal of landing a UFA from a low/no tax warm weather state team —— I’ll believe it when I see it.

Honestly does anybody here know anything about Hirvonen?

Hi mamma.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

That's a fourth line center's rate?

Yes, but for instance if he's used more like Evans is/potentially was, that number might drop.

60% on the dot is amazing, but so is 55% if he does drop.

He's got size, some skill and can play a bit on the PK.

For comparison sake Evans has taken over 700 faceoffs for the Habs.

Granted that's because the 2nd line centre sucks.

Dvorak is 1 shy of 700 faceoffs taken.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Never thought much of him and he hasn't done anything in the AHL when he is healthy.
Would have to be at least Minten and a 2nd.

I would do one for one Minten for Evans but doubt Leafs would make that deal. Even though he was a 2nd rounder, they’ve already spent a lot of time and effort developing him. I’m sure they’d rather just give the pick and a lower end prospect.

 

[le_sean]

Yes, but for instance if he's used more like Evans is/potentially was, that number might drop.

60% on the dot is amazing, but so is 55% if he does drop.

He's got size, some skill and can play a bit on the PK.

For comparison sake Evans has taken over 700 faceoffs for the Habs.

Granted that's because the 2nd line centre sucks.

Dvorak is 1 shy of 700 faceoffs taken.

Beecher is a 6’3 4th liner and barely hits. To me that’s a frustrating player. If you’re only good enough to play 11 mins per game, you need to be physical. He’s also a RFA, so more difficult to acquire.

 

[overlords]

I'm not sure how appealing long term deferrals would be for high end players. Their Agencies could also be recommending they get as much in as quickly as possible. Deferred money isn't earning anything.

Four years of Trump "Pay me today please"

 

[The Great Weal]

Never thought much of him and he hasn't done anything in the AHL when he is healthy.
Would have to be at least Minten and a 2nd.

Come on, that will never happen

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

I would do one for one Minten for Evans but doubt Leafs would make that deal. Even though he was a 2nd rounder, they’ve already spent a lot of time and effort developing him. I’m sure they’d rather just give the pick and a lower end prospect.

Not sure how good Minten is but if they like him I would do a 1 fo1 too.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Beecher is a 6’3 4th liner and barely hits. To me that’s a frustrating player. If you’re only good enough to play 11 mins per game, you need to be physical. He’s also a RFA, so more difficult to acquire.

True, but finding a centre who can win draws and is physical is rare and would cost a decent amount through assets.

Mark Kastelic is that guy, but the Bruins just extended him and honestly at this point for them to trade him you'd have to overpay and the payment would be gross.

Beecher is cheaper and therefore would bring less than a Kastelic.

Beecher at 23 might be a guy who's just going to be figuring things out. 5 years ago (when Evans was 23) Evans was playing in Laval and in Montreal.

Basically, there's potentially more to it and if the Habs sign Olivier to go with him, he might be a bit more physical as he gets older, but right now I can see him not being like that as he isn't the greatest fighter.

 

[sampollock]

Not sure how good Minten is but if they like him I would do a 1 fo1 too.

No Mitten the kitten please