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HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #90: 2024-2025 season part III

Gaylord Q Tinkledink said:
Explained later that I shouldn't have said that.

Also, no 25 a year goal scorer is high end in any era.

The point still stands that this team has no high end forwards.
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We both know that Caufield isn't just a 25 goalscorer though.

Personally, I consider that the Habs currently have two high end forwards on the roster.
 
Treb said:
We both know that Caufield isn't just a 25 goalscorer though.

Personally, I consider that the Habs currently have two high end forwards on the roster.
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No, but he hasn't done more. He's gotta do more and then do it consistently.

Suzuki is close and having a player like Marner join the team might boost him enough.

It's not like having a high end wingers (or two) is bad. You can win, just look at Chicago as they were lead by Kane.

Toews had a career high of 76 points and a bunch of high 60 point totals during their peak. He later got to 81, but Chicago didn't even make the playoffs that year.

Granted, I can see the Habs missing out on those players and landing Sam Bennet at like 9 just for us to be yay Bennett, but booo 9 mill a year.
 
Treb said:
I love how Demidov is high end before his first game in NA, but Caufield isn't after 3 straight 25+ goals seasons and pacing to score 35-40 this year.
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25g is nothing worth mentioning for someone with his TOI.

Caufield is having a breakout year finally, so I’d count him as a lesser star right now. He’s nowhere close to Marner though, one of the league’s best players.
 
sampollock said:
he easy answer would be Kirby Dach + Logan Mailloux + No. 1 pick.

But that's not going to be enough.

In my opinion, to get Noah Dobson out of Long Island, the conversation has to start with David Reinbacher + No. 1 pick, or there probably isn't even a discussion. I'd be willing to add a B-prospect like Filip Mesar or Luke Tuch ." - Marco Normandin
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Marco Normandin knows nothing about anything. Why do you people quote twitter nobodies as if they held any weight?
 
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Gaylord Q Tinkledink said:
No, but he hasn't done more. He's gotta do more and then do it consistently.

Suzuki is close and having a player like Marner join the team might boost him enough.

It's not like having a high end wingers (or two) is bad. You can win, just look at Chicago as they were lead by Kane.

Toews had a career high of 76 points and a bunch of high 60 point totals during their peak. He later got to 81, but Chicago didn't even make the playoffs that year.

Granted, I can see the Habs missing out on those players and landing Sam Bennet at like 9 just for us to be yay Bennett, but booo 9 mill a year.
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He's been often injured would be more accurate than he gotta do more.

In career he's scoring 34 goals every 82 games. He scored 26 in 46 and 26 in 56. He's a 35ish goals scorer which is what people should have expected from him. He's a small guy and i have enough fingers to list you the less than 5'10 50 goals scorer since i was born.
 
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HabsForHire said:
do not want, don't need any more soft players who suck in the playoffs


he just traded a Rolex to get his number back from Roslovic he may be staying
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The guy will be making 10+ millions a year. A 20 000 rolex for him is like a 160$ Simon Chang for me. I mean the only reason i would mind giving my Simon Chang to someone is because my dad bought it for me on my 20th birthday.
 
jrom said:
Ok I just had a really bad idea (and of course I gotta share it here :naughty:).

He’s old, slow and makes too much $ right now BUT let’s say hypothetically he accepts something like $7M for 3 years or something like that, would Tavares UFA as a stop gap make sense?

He’s a leftie, strong on FO, can drive his line if provided with young wingers, no need to spend assets to acquire him. Of course he’s kinda cooked and at $11M really not an option, but for Josh Anderson-like $, I think it would give us a 2C while we let Hage & all develop.
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If Tavares can stay in TOR, he will stay in Toronto before considering going anywhere else. He screwed his own team by signing with TOR as a an UFA and lettings team think he might re-sign with them --= likely so TOR would not need to pay assets to acquire him as a rental.

TOR is Tavares' home town team. Even if he didn't re-sign in TOR, he would likely avoid signing in Montreal like it was afflicted by the Pest and would be looking to make a deal with a true contender.

Nice idea, but not in th realm of possibilities, IMO.

In avoided players like Tavares and Marchand, etc., in lists of possible UFAs regardless of how good they were or not at their respective ages because they are not signing with MON, IMO, even if there is interest on our parts and we are willing top overpay.
 
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Gaylord Q Tinkledink said:
No, but he hasn't done more. He's gotta do more and then do it consistently.

Suzuki is close and having a player like Marner join the team might boost him enough.

It's not like having a high end wingers (or two) is bad. You can win, just look at Chicago as they were lead by Kane.

Toews had a career high of 76 points and a bunch of high 60 point totals during their peak. He later got to 81, but Chicago didn't even make the playoffs that year.

Granted, I can see the Habs missing out on those players and landing Sam Bennet at like 9 just for us to be yay Bennett, but booo 9 mill a year.
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Bennett at 9M is a ridiculous suggestion.

He currently makes 4.425MK per on his latest 4-year deal. He's never cracked 50 points in a season and is on pace to barely do so for the first time this season at 52.

Is trending to score 20 or more goals for only the third time in 10 seasons.

Slafkovsky, who scored 20 and had 30 assists for 50 points last season is getting paid for projected future production levels at 7.6M per season.

Bennett is in his prime. 50ish points and 20+ goals is what you can expect, plus the physical, defensive game and whatever leadership, yada-yada-yada.

How in HELL is that worth 9M!? If the 50-point C now gets paid 9M as a new benchmark, most team will be in Cap hell very quickly, even with the rising Cap ceiling over the next three years.

If he gets 7M, it's an overpayment. 9M is a farce. Hughes signs a player like Bennett for 9M this offseason, he should be fired.

Watch that happen. I swear I will continue to say that.

Bennett with n overpayment and the maximum term (7 years) at 7M is a reasonably attractive offer for the pending UFA. He'll be turning 36 in the playoffs in the last year of his next contract if it is for 7 years.

7M is plenty. Hughes just needs to structure the contract to limit taxes to the fullest extent. He also needs to sell team facilities, how the team, away from the rink, is set up for players' families, access to a sports psychologist, skills coaching, the quality of the prospects he would play with on the team, the plan going forward, etc.
 
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ReHabs said:
25g is nothing worth mentioning for someone with his TOI.

Caufield is having a breakout year finally, so I’d count him as a lesser star right now. He’s nowhere close to Marner though, one of the league’s best players.
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I disagree it's a breakout season, it's more about playing a full season (and not half of it being the disaster Ducharme season).
 
LaP said:
He's been often injured would be more accurate than he gotta do more.

In career he's scoring 34 goals every 82 games. He scored 26 in 46 and 26 in 56. He's a 35ish goals scorer which is what people should have expected from him. He's a small guy and i have enough fingers to list you the less than 5'10 50 goals scorer since i was born.
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That is the way I feel as well, always have. It isn't to say he won't hit 40 this year but I don't think he will consistently do that. I compared him to Kessell, Cammalleri and others.
 
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Gaylord Q Tinkledink said:
No, but he hasn't done more. He's gotta do more and then do it consistently.

Suzuki is close and having a player like Marner join the team might boost him enough.

It's not like having a high end wingers (or two) is bad. You can win, just look at Chicago as they were lead by Kane.

Toews had a career high of 76 points and a bunch of high 60 point totals during their peak. He later got to 81, but Chicago didn't even make the playoffs that year.

Granted, I can see the Habs missing out on those players and landing Sam Bennet at like 9 just for us to be yay Bennett, but booo 9 mill a year.
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Are you confusing Bennet with Reinhardt? Because in no universe is 49 point career high, Bennett getting anywhere close to $9MM per.

Those must be some freaking insane intangibles :laugh:
 
sampollock said:
he easy answer would be Kirby Dach + Logan Mailloux + No. 1 pick.

But that's not going to be enough.

In my opinion, to get Noah Dobson out of Long Island, the conversation has to start with David Reinbacher + No. 1 pick, or there probably isn't even a discussion. I'd be willing to add a B-prospect like Filip Mesar or Luke Tuch ." - Marco Normandin
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Who the hell is that guy?
That is a horrible offer...like Norman Flynn level.
 
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