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HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #90: 2024-2025 season part III

Scriptor said:
I was sad we didn't go after Hertl when he was available. I was sad when we didn't go after Horvat when he was available. Kyrou would be the ideal 2C for Montreal.

Hertl, at 31, would be a great stop gap for 4 years or so.

None of those three are available, IMO.


Moot point because not available, but if we were playing from another position as a strength (say D), they might be available because they are playing on the wing and the assumption would be that they are because there is a lot of depth at C on their teams.
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I wonder about Horvat his contract looks like it will be fine for maybe 4 years but after that?
He's actually a player Lou might consider selling under the right circumstances but Horvat has a NTC for the first four years of his new contract. It would be ironic if both players involved in that Horvat deal ended up getting moved this season. Keep in mind Vancouver didn't want to pay him to begin with which is why he got moved in the first place.
 
Rapala said:
Exactly Because Jake Evans will never be close to a second line center. If he had the additional qualities of an Adam Lowry or a Jordan Staal sure we could open up the coffers. The short term $$$ may not be an issue
but the long term nature of the contract would surely become one. From my standpoint we are already able to mitigate much of what losing Jake Evans will cost in team growth. If we throw $$$ at a center it needs to be A) a long term solution or B) a short stop gap solution. I don't think Jake fits either of those scenarios.

Just my Take.
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Evans, at 28, can be signed long term at a lower cap hit. He can be moved whoever other Cs are ready to displace him. I don,t see the problem with keeping talent, even depth talent, but, if we can get a late 1st round pick for Evans, or because Evans is part of a package deal, I would move him now, provided Hughes at least goes out to upgrade the C-line with a short 2C stop gap option.

The extra first round pick in return of Evans, or Evans +, will only help Hughes be able to move up and grab one or two of Desnoyers, Frondell, O'Brien or Bear (who is also listed as C/LW and likely can play C). with three first round picks, including their own good one, plus a couple of 2nd round picks, and some prospects to dangle, Hughes has enough munitions for a couple of different strategies at the draft table.

He could also use every one pf those five picks and end up with solid C and winger prospects, plus a couple of darts thrown at RHD prospects in the second round.

Hate to say it, with so many games left in the season, but the upcoming draft seems more enticing to me right now.

The trade deadline has been such a flop for us in the last years that I'm not really all that excited about it.
 
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it's Montreal and it's lots of media leaks, but I wouldn't be surprised if they're ready to move on from both Dach and Laine if the deal made sense.
The (media) overreaction to the Laine quote aside, I don't think MSL (maybe HuGo) like his compete level or consistency. Maybe it changes.
The Dach anecdote on DLC this am was a bit eye-opening and maybe untrue, but I think HuGo might be looking at him as nothing more than a 40 pt C who can't win FOs.
I hope these guys put it together consistently, we need them
 
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Rapala said:
I wonder about Horvat his contract looks like it will be fine for maybe 4 years but after that?
He's actually a player Lou might consider selling under the right circumstances but Horvat has a NTC for the first four years of his new contract. It would be ironic if both players involved in that Horvat deal ended up getting moved this season. Keep in mind Vancouver didn't want to pay him to begin with which is why he got moved in the first place.
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Horvat would be a GREAT stop gap that brings everything you look for in a 2C, if not in a 1C and I'm not concerned with seeing hornet play out his contract as a top-6 C when he will be 29, 30, 31, 32, 33 and 34.

It is far from those bad contracts we have seen with players signed to HUGE money until they are 37, 38, 39, or 40, just to have them on the team when they are 29, 30, 31, 32 or 33, 3v3n, at the start of those contracts.

6'0", but a physical force at 215 lbs, one of the best F/O, shutdown Cs in the league that drives the play and can be extremely useful to your team, even when he is not scoring on a given night.

I'm wondering if giving up our 1st round pick wouldn't be wise for such an addition that, along with the arrival of Demidov, could help transform the team.

If acquiring Horvat required only quality futures and depth pieces, without touching our core, I'd definitely consider it.

We'd get at least three years of long playoff runs, maybe four with Horvat in the lineup.

Slafkovsky - Horvat - Demidov
Caufield - Suzuki - Dach

looks pretty solid in the short term.

After that, it's a question of how Hage and beck do for the overall strength of our future C-line (considering we would likely lose 2025 darts at Cs, unless we get a Ryabkin that slides, but ends up panning out afterwards with our remaining picks?

Anything is possible, but adding Horvat without touching the core, transforms this team overnight.
 
Scriptor said:
Evans, at 28, can be signed long term at a lower cap hit.
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This is the thing that they are obviously having trouble getting done.
I posted something the other day is Jake Evans worth twice the amount of his current contract?
For me he isn't so the most I'd go is 5 x 3M others may value him higher I just don't see it.

I remember McGuire saying he'd get somewhere between 2.75M-3M on a long term deal weeks ago.
This was before he cooled down.
 
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HuGo Sham said:
The Dach anecdote on DLC this am was a bit eye-opening and maybe untrue, but I think HuGo might be looking at him as nothing more than a 40 pt C who can't win FOs.
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Could you elaborate on what was said as I was unable to listen
 
Scriptor said:
Horvat would be a GREAT stop gap that brings everything you look for in a 2C, if not in a 1C and I'm not concerned with seeing hornet play out his contract as a top-6 C when he will be 29, 30, 31, 32, 33 and 34.

It is far from those bad contracts we have seen with players signed to HUGE money until they are 37, 38, 39, or 40, just to have them on the team when they are 29, 30, 31, 32 or 33, 3v3n, at the start of those contracts.

6'0", but a physical force at 215 lbs, one of the best F/O, shutdown Cs in the league that drives the play and can be extremely useful to your team, even when he is not scoring on a given night.

I'm wondering if giving up our 1st round pick wouldn't be wise for such an addition that, along with the arrival of Demidov, could help transform the team.

If acquiring Horvat required only quality futures and depth pieces, without touching our core, I'd definitely consider it.

We'd get at least three years of long playoff runs, maybe four with Horvat in the lineup.

Slafkovsky - Horvat - Demidov
Caufield - Suzuki - Dach

looks pretty solid in the short term.

After that, it's a question of how Hage and beck do for the overall strength of our future C-line (considering we would likely lose 2025 darts at Cs, unless we get a Ryabkin that slides, but ends up panning out afterwards with our remaining picks?

Anything is possible, but adding Horvat without touching the core, transforms this team overnight.
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I'd be interested in Bo but he's not a #1C which is ok because we already have one. He and Suzy would be a formidable combo.
 
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Scriptor said:
Horvat would be a GREAT stop gap that brings everything you look for in a 2C, if not in a 1C and I'm not concerned with seeing hornet play out his contract as a top-6 C when he will be 29, 30, 31, 32, 33 and 34.

It is far from those bad contracts we have seen with players signed to HUGE money until they are 37, 38, 39, or 40, just to have them on the team when they are 29, 30, 31, 32 or 33, 3v3n, at the start of those contracts.

6'0", but a physical force at 215 lbs, one of the best F/O, shutdown Cs in the league that drives the play and can be extremely useful to your team, even when he is not scoring on a given night.

I'm wondering if giving up our 1st round pick wouldn't be wise for such an addition that, along with the arrival of Demidov, could help transform the team.

If acquiring Horvat required only quality futures and depth pieces, without touching our core, I'd definitely consider it.

We'd get at least three years of long playoff runs, maybe four with Horvat in the lineup.

Slafkovsky - Horvat - Demidov
Caufield - Suzuki - Dach

looks pretty solid in the short term.

After that, it's a question of how Hage and beck do for the overall strength of our future C-line (considering we would likely lose 2025 darts at Cs, unless we get a Ryabkin that slides, but ends up panning out afterwards with our remaining picks?

Anything is possible, but adding Horvat without touching the core, transforms this team overnight.
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It would take a Slaf like asset to get the talks for Horvat started IMO.
May as well make it a blockbuster and go after Dobson at the same time. :laugh:
 
Rapala said:
Exactly Because Jake Evans will never be close to a second line center. If he had the additional qualities of an Adam Lowry or a Jordan Staal sure we could open up the coffers. The short term $$$ may not be an issue
but the long term nature of the contract would surely become one. From my standpoint we are already able to mitigate much of what losing Jake Evans will cost in team growth. If we throw $$$ at a center it needs to be A) a long term solution or B) a short stop gap solution. I don't think Jake fits either of those scenarios.

Just my Take.
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I fully agree. They could have used Evans as short stop gap solution (scenario I descired earlier), but that ship had sailed away and we should just trade him and capitalize on his current value. Get proper 2C (whether it is A or B solution).
 
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Scriptor said:
Horvat would be a GREAT stop gap that brings everything you look for in a 2C, if not in a 1C and I'm not concerned with seeing hornet play out his contract as a top-6 C when he will be 29, 30, 31, 32, 33 and 34.

It is far from those bad contracts we have seen with players signed to HUGE money until they are 37, 38, 39, or 40, just to have them on the team when they are 29, 30, 31, 32 or 33, 3v3n, at the start of those contracts.

6'0", but a physical force at 215 lbs, one of the best F/O, shutdown Cs in the league that drives the play and can be extremely useful to your team, even when he is not scoring on a given night.

I'm wondering if giving up our 1st round pick wouldn't be wise for such an addition that, along with the arrival of Demidov, could help transform the team.

If acquiring Horvat required only quality futures and depth pieces, without touching our core, I'd definitely consider it.

We'd get at least three years of long playoff runs, maybe four with Horvat in the lineup.

Slafkovsky - Horvat - Demidov
Caufield - Suzuki - Dach

looks pretty solid in the short term.

After that, it's a question of how Hage and beck do for the overall strength of our future C-line (considering we would likely lose 2025 darts at Cs, unless we get a Ryabkin that slides, but ends up panning out afterwards with our remaining picks?

Anything is possible, but adding Horvat without touching the core, transforms this team overnight.
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30 goal man
not a ton of penatiles

My question is he hard to play against? soft? I have not watched him enough
 
Deebs said:
Could you elaborate on what was said as I was unable to listen
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They mentionned that the management met with some of the players that were performing below expectations (Slaf, Dach, etc..), and that apparently Dach's reaction did not please MLS and KH, which raised serious concerns regarding his attitude...

Mind you, I doubt that kind of stuff would be leaked, and certainly not to those 2 bozos, so it is obviously made up...

My opinion is that I think it is a bit early to throw the towel on Dach. Obviously he has some issues with keeping the intensity up, but I think he has talent and potential. In his case, his problem is that he is not put in a situation where he can shine and progress. It must be very hard to have to play with and carry Laine and Newhook on a regular basis.

I would like to see how he will do with Demidov next year for example...
 
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A meeting with Kirby Dach would have cooled the management of the Canadian​

According to Maxime Truman, a recent mid-season discussion between Dach and the Canadiens' staff did not go as planned.

"The center wouldn't exactly have won points in the eyes of management and the coaching staff. [...] The Canadiens wouldn't have liked the way he would have reacted to what [Truman] was told."

- via DLC
When you do this kind of meeting, you look at the other person's reaction. And what I was told is that Kirby Dach's reaction wasn't great."

- Maxime Truman, via DLC
 
sampollock said:

A meeting with Kirby Dach would have cooled the management of the Canadian​

According to Maxime Truman, a recent mid-season discussion between Dach and the Canadiens' staff did not go as planned.

"The center wouldn't exactly have won points in the eyes of management and the coaching staff. [...] The Canadiens wouldn't have liked the way he would have reacted to what [Truman] was told."

- via DLC
When you do this kind of meeting, you look at the other person's reaction. And what I was told is that Kirby Dach's reaction wasn't great."

- Maxime Truman, via DLC
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Nothing burger because it's from DLC.
 
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Egresch said:
I have been saying this for a while that we should use Evans as 2C. I guess it comes to capabilities of our coaching staff, we are waiting for perfect roster, so we can implement all concepts, but that will never happen. With Laine-Dach-Newhook, none of them can really defend. We should stop pretending that Dach is a center, play Laine-Evans-Dach, you will get offensive support from blueline anyway with Hutson/Matheson.
Almost every team is struggling with 2C, you have players like KK, Namestnikov playing the role for contender.
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Using Evans as a 2c is like using DD as a 1st line center.

Gaylord Q Tinkledink said:
Nothing burger because it's from DLC.
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This kind of reporting is always a nothing burger no matter from who it comes from. There was only a handful of people at that supposed meeting and none of them would have leaked the content of said meeting. It's basically fake news. It's Allo Police stuff.
 
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He says the juicy stuff is behind the patreon. Probably all irrelevant -- just gossip, nothing very impactful anyway.

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«Kirby Dach n’est plus un intouchable ; il ne fait plus partie du noyau»

Depuis quelques années, on se demande ce qui fait en sorte que Kirby Dach a été échangé par les Blackhawks. Mais dans les derniers mois, on dirait qu’on a de plus en plus la réponse. Oui…
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Gossip aside, fellow Romanov boys, we're feasting right now. But we're too mature to be dishing out crow aren't we? Romanov is genuinely a superior player to Dach.
 
Evans is not remotely a 2C and is a 3C when playing at the top of his game. Really he is a 4C.

Agree that Dach stuff is rubbish, we have a no leak ship. Unfortunately Dach must prove himself as a 2C this year, or we really need to try to get one before September. Otherwise we likely arent competitive next year even with Demi and we just cant keep blowing years. I agree though at this point part of Dachs issues are his line mates. Newhook has disappointed me this season and the frig up with Laine ? I mean maybe lots of rust from missing so much time off, but am wondering if there is other stuff going on.
 
Scriptor said:
Horvat would be a GREAT stop gap that brings everything you look for in a 2C, if not in a 1C and I'm not concerned with seeing hornet play out his contract as a top-6 C when he will be 29, 30, 31, 32, 33 and 34.

It is far from those bad contracts we have seen with players signed to HUGE money until they are 37, 38, 39, or 40, just to have them on the team when they are 29, 30, 31, 32 or 33, 3v3n, at the start of those contracts.

6'0", but a physical force at 215 lbs, one of the best F/O, shutdown Cs in the league that drives the play and can be extremely useful to your team, even when he is not scoring on a given night.

I'm wondering if giving up our 1st round pick wouldn't be wise for such an addition that, along with the arrival of Demidov, could help transform the team.

If acquiring Horvat required only quality futures and depth pieces, without touching our core, I'd definitely consider it.

We'd get at least three years of long playoff runs, maybe four with Horvat in the lineup.

Slafkovsky - Horvat - Demidov
Caufield - Suzuki - Dach

looks pretty solid in the short term.

After that, it's a question of how Hage and beck do for the overall strength of our future C-line (considering we would likely lose 2025 darts at Cs, unless we get a Ryabkin that slides, but ends up panning out afterwards with our remaining picks?

Anything is possible, but adding Horvat without touching the core, transforms this team overnight.
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Horvat would be great but unlikely he waives to come to a non contending team ...he would have many other choices.....most realistic stop gap is Kadri....grew up a huge habs fan and might waive to come back east....still puts up points.
 
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