HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #90: 2024-2025 season part III

[le_sean]

No, but the buying quality of a 2nd in a weak draft vs a stronger draft is higher, too. Pushing a 2nd round pick gives you more time to use it as a trading asset.

Just means we are primed to send an offersheet. We have an extra pick in each of the first 3 rounds. This just gives us more to work with.

 

[Scriptor]

Hughes is looking to make an impact trade, and one would have to think he wants an upgrade over Dach for the second line. It would be great to land someone to play out the remaining games of the season, allowing the player to get used to the new group and be ready for next season.

Trade deadline might not be the right timing for such a trade since, mostly, it is rental players that are moved at that point in the season. It's not impossible, but unlikely, especially given the little time to make the deal once other team,s chances of making the playoffs have become clearer and their intention to sell or buy has just lately been more defined.

Of course, the hockey break because of the 4-Nations tournament will help in that regard, if a trade for an impact player can really be made at this time.

I just fear that, at this point, the potential impact players available will amount to projects and not be actual hockey trades where we would be winner-winner with our trade partner.

Summer might be more of a proper time for such deals as UFAs make some players on certain rosters more available (replaced by the UFAs).

Also, following this race to make the playoffs, teams will more properly assess where they are in their own cycles and make clear decisions as to which of their players might become available and which type of players they might want to acquire?

 

[Scriptor]

The problem with that package, is that it does not fill the need of the other team.

Evans and Armia are loaners, potentially expensive to resign. Anyone interested are likely buyers in a playoff spot. In that case, they would not let go of an impact 2C or top-4 RHD. Adding prospects/draft picks also does not really bring anything to a contender at the trade deadline.

And if you turn it around, I don't see a team rebuilding giving anything to acquire Evans or Armia...

You are right. A move for a potential top-4 RHD like Nemec (on the cusp of becoming one), with a team already deep on the right side at D might be more feasible. At that point, though, the package for the player would not be the same value as one for Dobson, a confirmed top-2 D.

Evans + Armia + Mailloux + a first round pick might be sufficient to pull off such a trade (too much, I know)?

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Hughes has a big price on Evans (Friedman said 2nd)

Says teams are interested in Armia

Says Montreal is looking for an impact player/hockey trade. Gives notion to keep an eye on them. Adds it may not happen (duh), but they're interested in bigger hockey trades if they can get a match

A 2nd isn't a big price for Evans. It was reported that Washington offered Montreal that at the 2024 draft and it was turned down.

I don't want any picks for this draft anyway, and we need players.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

For Evans, i'm assuming Hughes will want something similar to what he got for Lehkonen (hopefully a prospect that works out this time). When he traded Lehkonen, he was a 26 year old winger with 13 goals and 16 assists in 58 games. His career high up to that point was 31 points in 82 games.

Evans is a 28 year old centre with 11 goals and 16 assists in 56 games. His career high so far is 29 points in 72 games.

Lehks was an RFA, though. Evans is UFA.

 

[Guy Larose]

If the price for Evans was a 2nd round, he'd already be gone with how many teams are reported to be interested.

 

[OldCraig71]

Trade deadline might not be the right timing for such a trade since, mostly, it is rental players that are moved at that point in the season. It's not impossible, but unlikely, especially given the little time to make the deal once other team,s chances of making the playoffs have become clearer and their intention to sell or buy has just lately been more defined.

Of course, the hockey break because of the 4-Nations tournament will help in that regard, if a trade for an impact player can really be made at this time.

I just fear that, at this point, the potential impact players available will amount to projects and not be actual hockey trades where we would be winner-winner with our trade partner.

Summer might be more of a proper time for such deals as UFAs make some players on certain rosters more available (replaced by the UFAs).

Also, following this race to make the playoffs, teams will more properly assess where they are in their own cycles and make clear decisions as to which of their players might become available and which type of players they might want to acquire?

Plenty of teams won't make the playoffs, and a good veteran 2nd line center with a year or two of contract remaining might be an option. One way or another Hughes has to take some of the offensive/defensive load off Suzuki. A good faceoff center that can chip in 50 points is a must even if it's a short term solution until one of the kids are ready to assume the role.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

If guys like Savard/Evans/Dvorak/Armia make the difference between us being a playoff team or not then we have much bigger concerns.

They're all replaceable this summer, losing them for nothing would be silly.

I mean they obviously aren't as we're not a playoff team with them in the lineup.

I wouldn't be surprised if we resign Dvorak.

 

[FrankMTL]

Lehks was an RFA, though. Evans is UFA.

True, i wasn't sure about that. I think even Sakic mentionned that he wouldn't have given up that much had Lehks been a UFA and not an RFA now that i think about it.

 

[Beendair Donedat]

Bennett won't make it to UFA
plus no tax in FLA never coming here

You don’t know that Sam.

Bennett is a Quartexx client - so far (and this is just off the top of my head so apologies if I miss any) Hughes has:

Carrier, Newhook, Anderson, Hutson, Mailloux, Struble and Pezz. Pretty significant chunk of the Quartexx portfolio playing in Montreal.

And with deferred money and the exchange rate, Bennett can do extremely well, especially if the Habs offer is tailored to his overall financial goals.

Bennett understands playing in a Canadian market and he’d likely have the opportunity to have Demidov as a winger. I think it’s very possible he signs with the Habs if he makes it to UFA status.

 

[le_sean]

You don’t know that Sam.

Bennett is a Quartexx client - so far (and this is just off the top of my head so apologies if I miss any) Hughes has:

Carrier, Newhook, Anderson, Hutson, Mailloux, Struble and Pezz. Pretty significant chunk of the Quartexx portfolio playing in Montreal.

And with deferred money and the exchange rate, Bennett can do extremely well, especially if the Habs offer is tailored to his overall financial goals.

Bennett understands playing in a Canadian market and he’d likely have the opportunity to have Demidov as a winger. I think it’s very possible he signs with the Habs if he makes it to UFA status.

He’s never hit 50 points in a season and the only time he’s played 82 games was back in 2017-18. His body won’t hold up well. On top of that, he’s shit at faceoffs.

I like the player, but it’s going to take an overpayment and he’s not good enough to warrant one.

 

[The Great Weal]

I’m not buying that the ask for Evans is a 2nd. Caps offered that when everyone thought they’d be a middle of the pack team and we declined. Now Evans has his best season and we are lowering our ask? If nobody gives us something better we have to settle, but there is still time.

 

[CapSpace]

We don't need more picks. We have a shitload of prospects. Unless we get an other top-15, we need guys who can play now or soon.

 

[le_sean]

We don't need more picks. We have a shitload of prospects. Unless we get an other top-15, we need guys who can play now or soon.

That’s what the picks are for…

 

[sampollock]

You don’t know that Sam.

Bennett is a Quartexx client - so far (and this is just off the top of my head so apologies if I miss any) Hughes has:

Carrier, Newhook, Anderson, Hutson, Mailloux, Struble and Pezz. Pretty significant chunk of the Quartexx portfolio playing in Montreal.

And with deferred money and the exchange rate, Bennett can do extremely well, especially if the Habs offer is tailored to his overall financial goals.

Bennett understands playing in a Canadian market and he’d likely have the opportunity to have Demidov as a winger. I think it’s very possible he signs with the Habs if he makes it to UFA status.

true I dont
just my guess
IF he hits UFA he will get a pile of coin.
I guess we see

 

[CapSpace]

That’s what the picks are for…

Sure, all the 17 years old kids play right away. Can we also teleport into the future and bring them on the roster right now ?

It's not NHL25 ffs. We can't trade away NHL 4-5 players for picks again and wait. There is not 4-5 NHL-ready players in Laval.

 

[yianik]

You are right. A move for a potential top-4 RHD like Nemec (on the cusp of becoming one), with a team already deep on the right side at D might be more feasible. At that point, though, the package for the player would not be the same value as one for Dobson, a confirmed top-2 D.

Evans + Armia + Mailloux + a first round pick might be sufficient to pull off such a trade (too much, I know)?

New Jersey wants a C , size and physicality, and secondary scoring. Evans, Anderson , Mailloux and a 2nd for Nemec ? They are win now so Evans and Anderson help there, Mailloux is a flyer on a big D man who can produce some offense though weak on D that can play games in the NHL. And a pick.

 

[GlassesJacketShirt]

Sure, all the 17 years old kids play right away. Can we also teleport into the future and bring them on the roster right now ?

It's not NHL25 ffs. We can't trade away NHL 4-5 players for picks again and wait. There is not 4-5 NHL-ready players in Laval.

I'm pretty sure he meant those picks can be turned around to acquire players after. Maybe the players to acquire are on teams Jake Evans isn't of interest to (i.e., struggling player on bad team needing a refresh), so that's where draft pick accumulation comes in handy.

 

[Aces on the road]

Yeah we will stay bottom 5 because we didn’t re-sign Jake Evans.

More likely we stay bottom 5 if we pay 4th liners $4m a year when we could have traded him for assets to actually improve the team where it needs it most.

The craziest part is that we have literally been watching his more talented replacement on an ELC play up close the last few games.

1st line is not good enough, that is the problem

 

[DAChampion]

I'll be in awe if Hughes acquires some of the better pieces talked about, like the 2026 1st or Simon Nemec.

 

[salbutera]

1st line is not good enough, that is the problem

The “real problem” is there is no 2nd line generating offense and hasn’t been for 80% of the season

 

[ML16]

I’m not buying that the ask for Evans is a 2nd. Caps offered that when everyone thought they’d be a middle of the pack team and we declined. Now Evans has his best season and we are lowering our ask? If nobody gives us something better we have to settle, but there is still time.

Even in light of the current season, I don’t think Evans is considered a 3C league-wide on a contending team; thus if he wants more than 4M AAV, the only teams that should be willing to sign him to such an AAV this offseason would be teams in the early stage of their rebuild that need to reach the (rapidly rising) cap floor.

The way I see it, he has essentially two options; either « force » the Habs to trade him as a luxury 4C/PK specialist rental to a contender (late 1st should be attainable) and then sign as an UFA elsewhere (SJ, Chicago, etc.) or re-sign with the devil he knows under 4M AAV and have a reasonable chance to compete with the team that believed in him from the offset within a couple of years.

 

[SlyIslands]

Evans is having a similar production Eller had when he was traded. So I think two 2nd is the ask. Maybe Evans+Savard for a 1st like the SJ-DAL trade, but the trade included better players.

 

[SpeedyPotato]

We don't need more picks. We have a shitload of prospects. Unless we get an other top-15, we need guys who can play now or soon.

Picks are assets you can trade at the draft for players that fit your need

 

[417]

Even in light of the current season, I don’t think Evans is considered a 3C league-wide on a contending team; thus if he wants more than 4M AAV, the only teams that should be willing to sign him to such an AAV this offseason would be teams in the early stage of their rebuild that need to reach the (rapidly rising) cap floor.

The way I see it, he has essentially two options; either « force » the Habs to trade him as a luxury 4C/PK specialist rental to a contender (late 1st should be attainable) and then sign as an UFA elsewhere (SJ, Chicago, etc.) or re-sign with the devil he knows under 4M AAV and have a reasonable chance to compete with the team that believed in him from the offset within a couple of years.

I disagree that he's not a 3C league-wide, he'd be a 3C on a lot of the teams currently holding a playoff spot in the NHL.

And more than 4M AAV where the cap is going, is not a lot of money for a 3C.

We have to stop thinking of salary/cap hits, with how it was under a flat cap.