HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #90: 2024-2025 season part III

[WeThreeKings]

I think offensively it's a wash but Dach is abysmal on the FO and Cozens is a better player defensively. But like you, i don't think Cozens value as that higher because of his salary.

See where he is at face-offs when he has as many games under his belt at center as Cozens has.. like I said, Dach's faceoffs are terrible but Cozens has been bad outside of this year in the dot. This year, Cozens is better defensively, pre-injury Dach was better defensively than Cozens. Neither would be match-up centers.

The salary kills it from being a move to make. He's just paid too much for one season and a declining production from that season without any factors contributing to it like an injury. Just that Buffalo sucks. But so do we.

Dach wasn’t a centre when he had his good season with us. He was a PP merchant (42% of his production vs 26% for Cozens) and was mostly good as a winger.

Part of it was at the wing, sure.. part of it was as a center on his own line. The truth is still that Cozens only has one year of production and a salary that matches that production and not what he's actually been hitting.

Cozens just isn't a surefire upgrade. As insurance to Dach, I like the idea, though wish he was a left shot centre. But to pay to make the swap, we could come out as a loser very easily in that situation.

 

[Jurivan Demidovsky]

...what could we possibly offer VanCity for Petey that wouldn't just exacerbate the weaknesses we have in other areas??...not to mention they basically need the same things we do...

They probably rebuild at that point no?

2025 1st unprotected
2025 1st Calgary
Mailloux
Beck
2025 2nd

Does this get the negotiations going?

 

[EveryDay]

With the hit on Thompson the other night, the Sabres might be looking for a big player who can drop and fight like Josh Anderson imo. He's playing well this year with only 2 years remaining on his contract.

Anderson + Newhook for Cozens?

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

They probably rebuild at that point no?

2025 1st unprotected
2025 1st Calgary
Mailloux
Beck
2025 2nd

Does this get the negotiations going?

...according to the Talking Heads & Van fans, a rebuild is out of the question; they can't afford to burn years of Hughes with a rebuild...

With the hit on Thompson the other night, the Sabres might be looking for a big player who can drop and fight like Josh Anderson imo. He's playing well this year with only 2 years remaining on his contract.

Anderson + Newhook for Cozens?

...unless all of Fluffabo management had a massive stroke at the same time, that'd be laughed off...

 

[EveryDay]

...according to the Talking Heads & Van fans, a rebuild is out of the question; they can't afford to burn years of Hughes with a rebuild...



...unless all of Fluffabo management had a massive stroke at the same time, that'd be laughed off...

I can add a 2nd round pick if you want

 

[Jurivan Demidovsky]

He’s also soft as shit, and we already have a soft as shit Top 6. A complete no-show in the playoffs last year.

Maybe he was injured? Who knows. He's proven he could be over PPG in the playoffs. I would give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

[le_sean]

With the hit on Thompson the other night, the Sabres might be looking for a big player who can drop and fight like Josh Anderson imo. He's playing well this year with only 2 years remaining on his contract.

Anderson + Newhook for Cozens?

Maybe we can throw in Dvorak and Gallagher to really get the party started.

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lol what do I care about what he did in 2020? Canucks were contenders last year and he was ass.

 

[EveryDay]

Maybe we can throw in Dvorak and Gallagher to really get the party started.


lol what do I care about what he did in 2020? Canucks were contenders last year and he was ass.

If you insist but it pain me to trade Dvorak.

 

[Vachon23]

Well shit then.. maybe we should target this guy. He would probably love it here and get back to his 100 point form.. Would he mesh well with this group? Why was he beefing with Miller?

I think they are keeping him

 

[yianik]

Someone who shoots left and is actually proven to be a center.

If Duchene becomes a UFA he is someone to look at. Great at face offs, left shot, and he's 34 but still produces. Given his age a 3 year deal might be acceptable term which would be ideal for us.

I would think Dallas would want to extend him, but it hasn't happened yet.

Not sure what is up with Cozens. Had one really nice year but his shooting % was well above his average that year. At best is he a 50 plus points guy ? Don't know.

Zegras is named again in rumours. Don't know. And is he at best a get you to playoffs guy and zip after that ?

I don't want to do a higher level bargainbin thing where instead of wheeling and dealing on waivers and 5th round picks we are gambling 1sts.

 

[Jurivan Demidovsky]

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[Guy Larose]

If Duchene becomes a UFA he is someone to look at. Great at face offs, left shot, and he's 34 but still produces. Given his age a 3 year deal might be acceptable term which would be ideal for us.

I would think Dallas would want to extend him, but it hasn't happened yet.

Not sure what is up with Cozens. Had one really nice year but his shooting % was well above his average that year. At best is he a 50 plus points guy ? Don't know.

Zegras is named again in rumours. Don't know. And is he at best a get you to playoffs guy and zip after that ?

I don't want to do a higher level bargainbin thing where instead of wheeling and dealing on waivers and 5th round picks we are gambling 1sts.

Where? Haven't seen anything anywhere for this.

 

[Vachon23]

See where he is at face-offs when he has as many games under his belt at center as Cozens has.. like I said, Dach's faceoffs are terrible but Cozens has been bad outside of this year in the dot.

How many center U23 are 50 % and + on the faceoff ? That usually get better with experience in the league

 

[Jurivan Demidovsky]

lol what do I care about what he did in 2020? Canucks were contenders last year and he was ass.

Sorry, I added some wording in that post. My point is that, do we know the whole story of why he was ass? I'm just saying, we haven't had a proven 100 point player in how long? He's having a bad year but that could be forgotten and forgiven quickly when you have that type of talent

 

[le_sean]

l’Sorry, I added some wording in that post. My point is that, do we know the whole story of why he was ass? I'm just saying, we haven't had a proven 100 point player in how long? He's having a bad year but that could be forgotten and forgiven quickly when you have that type of talent.

Listen, you’re not wrong. We would love a player with that capability. My concern is why Vancouver would trade him and we’d be quite exposed against a physical team.

And honestly, that season looks like an outlier. He shot right down to 89 points and now he’s just at 33.

 

[Vachon23]

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Great point

 

[yianik]

Big is extrapolating.

This is his first season above 50% face-off percentage, so we aren't getting a face-off ace either.

He makes 7.1 million, so almost double what Dach is costing on the cap.

He's on pace for 40 points this season. Which is only 8 more points than Dach, and that's without recovering from a major injury and losing a full season prior.

His previous season was 47 points.

38 points the year before his 68 point season.

At this point that 68 point season is an outlier, not the norm.

The only certainty here is you are getting the healthier player. But you aren't getting a left shot. You aren't getting a sure fire center.

It's a complete gamble, a 7.1 million dollar gamble with term on top of that. If all Cozens is, is a 40-50 point winger.. that's going to be a big whiff.

If they want to do something around the Calgary pick and a prospect like Mesar, sure, go for it. I can live with it since Cozens has speed and size. But this is not an acquisition that I'm dying to make.

His shooting % the 68 point year was 14.7%, in no other year is it above 9%.

 

[WeThreeKings]

If Duchene becomes a UFA he is someone to look at. Great at face offs, left shot, and he's 34 but still produces. Given his age a 3 year deal might be acceptable term which would be ideal for us.

I would think Dallas would want to extend him, but it hasn't happened yet.

Not sure what is up with Cozens. Had one really nice year but his shooting % was well above his average that year. At best is he a 50 plus points guy ? Don't know.

Zegras is named again in rumours. Don't know. And is he at best a get you to playoffs guy and zip after that ?

I don't want to do a higher level bargainbin thing where instead of wheeling and dealing on waivers and 5th round picks we are gambling 1sts.

Zegras would be a terrible acquisition, so definitely not wanting Michigan Drouin.

Duchene and a stop gap like that is fine. I think we just don't rush into anything, eventually someone or something will shake loose that is the right target for us.

How many center U23 are 50 % and + on the faceoff ? That usually get better with experience in the league

Yes, so it stands to reason that Dach can improve his face-offs with more experience and repetitions. Just as Cozens has. He's not a good face-off guy, so it's not a reason to acquire him.

When I look at Cozens.
Does he drastically improve our face-off situation? No.
Does he have a good contract? No.
Does he produce in line with what we need from a 2C? Not outside of one outlier year offensively.
Is he a left shot? No.
Is he a for sure center? No.

So he isn't checking the boxes for me to want to go out and get him. I'd kick the tires but he's gonna go for more than he's realistically worth based on one season that he hasn't been able to replicate and in some ways has been regressing from. His production this year is worse than it was last year.

 

[Jurivan Demidovsky]

...according to the Talking Heads & Van fans, a rebuild is out of the question; they can't afford to burn years of Hughes with a rebuild...

Hughes is still only 25, they can rebuild/retool quickly within about 3 years if they do it right.

 

[le_sean]

His shooting % the 68 point year was 14.7%, in no other year is it above 9%.

Yet people want us to re-sign Evans who is shooting 21%

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Hughes is still only 25, they can rebuild/retool quickly within about 3 years if they do it right.

...or it could take a decade, like Detroit & Fluffabo...can Rutherford take that chance??...I bet not...

 

[Jurivan Demidovsky]

...or it could take a decade, like Detroit & Fluffabo...can Rutherford take that chance??...I bet not...

Does Pettersson want out or is everything ok now that Miller is gone? What was the issue?

 

[yianik]

Where? Haven't seen anything anywhere for this.

The FourthPeriod. Not exactly a good source but there is no reason that Zegras isn't available.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Does Pettersson want out or is everything ok now that Miller is gone? What was the issue?

...that is still partially a mystery, imo...is it done and over with or is Petey just not a pressure player...

 

[HabsCode]

Lots a yapping, little happening