HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #89: 2024-2025 season part II

[Runner77]

Andersson and Calgary are both talking down his availability. Seems like mostly noise at this time.

I would throw a ton of futures at the Islanders for Dobson. I think the last piece we need is a top 4 RD. And we are ready to enter our cup contending years.

Dobson for 2025 1st x 2, Owen Beck and Logan Mailloux.

I know no one will want to part with Beck....but realistically he will only fit in as our 3rd Centre. Hage and Kapanen can both play in that role. I'd resign Evans too.

Resign - Evans and Armia (if price is right). Trade Dvorak and Savard at TDL.

Next year

Slaf - Suzuki - Caufield
Laine - Dach - Demidov -- I think Dach takes another step next year with Demidov and Laine on wings
Heineman - Evans - Newhook - these guys all have decent motors. Newhook should be on the third line.
Anderson - Kapanen - Gally
Armia

Hutson - Dobson
Guhle - Reinbacher -- its time for Guhle to fully realize his leadership role and take DR under his watch
Xhekaj - Carrier

Monty
Dobes

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With Beck moving to NYI and Demi + Kap + Reinbacher moving up we will need to restock some of our cupboards. Hage and Fowler will be our main prime pieces left.

In 2025 we will still have 2 x 2nd, 3 x 3rd and 2 x 4th round picks. We can possibly package some to move back into the 1st round at the draft.

In 2026 Hage will move into the lineup and will slot in the #3 centre role with the plan for him eventually to be #2. Kapanen to wing at that point to make room and we can let Anderson or Gally walk. Their contracts will be expiring.

I've got this shit all planned out in my head!

Perhaps adding an experienced left handed vet center would be of great value on a mostly right handed C contingent. Dvorak is likely not re-signed and he’s a lefty.

Suzuki and Evans are the only experienced centers at the NHL level, so Evans needs to be re-signed.

Bringing in that vet LC allows to bridge the gap for those incoming prospects who project as Cs.

Wondering if Demidov might eventually become a regular C.

 

[Andrei79]

When people are saying they wouldn't change a thing right now and not disrupt the lockerroom, I find it very relevant.

It isn't at all. We need a minimal set of parameters when discussing and bringing up examples like that only brings down the conversation due to how irrelevant they are. Barron was actively making the team lose and was in no way a key member of the room, despite his long time friendship with Guhle. Management is in a position where it has to weigh if they can trade a key (important word here) part of the roster for futures, knowing it could negatively impact this year. I don't think they will unless they're out of it. I think they value a potential run a lot more.

 

[rahad]

Nemec is not the same player as Jiricek and Barron is not even worth talking about with those 2.

Nemec is much more of a 2-way D than Jiricek. Way more solid defensively. So even if his offense doesn't translate that good in the NHL, he will still be a pretty solid defensive D.

Jiricek is much more of a boom/bust kinda prospect imo.

I still remember people here talking about taking Nemec or Jiricek before slaf.

They all saw the success in the AHL and believed it would translate easily in the NHL. Same with Mailloux and Roy on their first AHL season.

 

[vokiel]

Jiricek wasn't doing good enough to play with Blue Jackets even tough their RHGD is not very good and even though they aren't a contending team (or at least we're not at the start of the season).

Nemec wasn't doing good enough to play with the Devils because they are contenders and probably favor playing Dmen with experience, hence why they traded for Kovacevic. But most of all, because of the quality of their 2 top 4 RHD, Nemec would have played limited minutes on the 3rd pair, which is not optimal for his development.

Well he isn't good enough to play over Kovacevic... Same as Barron?

We'll see next season, I don't think they trade him anyhow, or if they do it'll be a lackluster trade confirming my suspicions.

 

[waitin425]

Perhaps adding an experienced left handed vet center would be of great value on a mostly right handed C contingent. Dvorak is likely not re-signed and he’s a lefty.

Suzuki and Evans are the only experienced centers at the NHL level, so Evans needs to be re-signed.

Bringing in that vet LC allows to bridge the gap for those incoming prospects who project as Cs.

Wondering if Demidov might eventually become a regular C.

Yeah was thinking that as I typed Beck into my trade proposal. Would leave us calling up Kapanen and resigning Evans. Bottom 6 with Evans and Kap would be scary if one goes down.....or **gulp** Dach or Suzuki go down. I also didn't factor in Newhook. If we keep him.....he could be #3 and Evans #4 next year. Another player who is a vet presence wouldn't be a bad idea. Just wouldn't commit a ton to that player. Im way more interested in a top 4 RD at this point.

Once Hage arrives though......he can be our third line centre.....or even 2nd line pushing Dach down. That would be ideal.

 

[Benstheman]

Well he isn't good enough to play over Kovacevic... Same as Barron?

We'll see next season, I don't think they trade him anyhow, or if they do it'll be a lackluster trade confirming my suspicions.

Well it’s kinda like saying :

Next year, do you want Reinbacher playing 14:00 minutes a game on the 3rd pair behind Matheson and Carrier or you want him on the 1st pair in Laval playing 25 minutes a night?

Both options have their +- but it’s not black and white.

 

[Egresch]

He definitely wouldn't be a "big" upgrade on Savard. If he were, the Devils wouldn't have acquired Pesce and Kovacevic, nor would he have been sent down to the AHL. Savard has slowed down this year, but he's still a reliable and stabilizing presence. While it would make sense in the long term, you're still trading for magic beans and banking on a high pick who hasn't established himself in three years to become something you won't be able to acquire in the summer through free agency or the trade market. It's a high risk considering the objective this year is competing for a playoff spot until the end. Unless they're out of it at the TDL, I think it'll hurt the players trust in management, which seems to be very important considering how they're all buying in to the plan.

He was playing top4 role last year in NHL and he was very good. Played 20 mins, PP2 and SH2, had over 100 blocks. Not sure why they signed Pesce, but they planned Nemec develop as 3RD. Kovy exceeded expectations, so they sent Nemec to AHL because he needs to play. They were stupid to sign Pesce because they basically blocked their top D prospect, should have addressed other needs.

 

[rahad]

I wish Kent traded for Dylan Holloway and not Newhook. Pretty sure a late first and a early second would have been enough for him.

 

[Runner77]

Yeah was thinking that as I typed Beck into my trade proposal. Would leave us calling up Kapanen and resigning Evans. Bottom 6 with Evans and Kap would be scary if one goes down.....or **gulp** Dach or Suzuki go down. I also didn't factor in Newhook. If we keep him.....he could be #3 and Evans #4 next year. Another player who is a vet presence wouldn't be a bad idea. Just wouldn't commit a ton to that player. Im way more interested in a top 4 RD at this point.

Once Hage arrives though......he can be our third line centre.....or even 2nd line pushing Dach down. That would be ideal.

I heard ex-player turned pundit, Éric Bélanger on 91.9 FM suggest a few names but his idea would be to try and land the center man version of Alex Carrier, someone to whom you wouldn’t have to commit a lengthy contract.

That would probably require lightning to strike twice. Look at all the teams that came out of the woodwork and claimed they would have made an offer had they known Carrier was available.

 

[CHfan1]

This isn't true at all.. he had one bad shift last game but he's been very very good since being paired with Hutson.

Agreed. Since the Carrier trade Matheson hasn’t had to face the toughest matchups every night (with the Guhle-Carrier pairing helping with that) and he has really benefited from that. I know plus minus is a flawed stat but here are the stats before the Carrier trade:

29 gp 2 goals, 16 points, -10

After the Carrier trade:

13 gp, 1 goal, 6 points, +9.

I also don’t think Montreal has another player in their system, currently, that can play the role Matheson plays. I’ve seen in the past talks of trading Matheson on here, but I think, currently that would be a big loss for Montreal and really set them back. And Matheson, being a left shot defenceman, isn’t going to get the equivalent value, in a trade, for a right shot defenceman.

Matheson made a play in the defensive zone last night that really showed his strengths. With less than 6 minutes to go the Stars had the puck in the Habs’ zone for about 25 seconds when the puck was passed towards the slot. Matheson calmly deflected it away from the Stars’ player into the corner, then beat that player to the puck and calmly exited the zone showing his mobility, and, eventually dumped the puck into the Stars’ zone. The Habs then got a much needed change. I’m not sure any other Montreal defenceman could have made that play with the exception of Guhle.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

I wish Kent traded for Dylan Holloway and not Newhook. Pretty sure a late first and a early second would have been enough for him.

He wouldn't have been available. Dumbo Bowman wasn't the GM then.

 

[le_sean]

I heard ex-player turned pundit, Éric Bélanger on 91.9 FM suggest a few names but his idea would be to try and land the center man version of Alex Carrier, someone to whom you wouldn’t have to commit a lengthy a contract.

That would probably require lightning to strike twice. Look at all the teams that came out of the woodwork and claimed they would have made an offer had they known Carrier was available.

Yanni Gourde maybe? UFA, don’t think he’ll go back to Seattle. 33 years old and likely won’t command too many years or too much money. Has won two Cups

 

[morhilane]

Well he isn't good enough to play over Kovacevic... Same as Barron?

We'll see next season, I don't think they trade him anyhow, or if they do it'll be a lackluster trade confirming my suspicions.

Kovacevic plays with Siegenthaler on a shutdown pair eating the hardest minutes. It's more full no trade $5.5mx5 Pesce who took Nemec's spot on the Devils line-up. That was a totally uncessary signing as Egresch explained.

 

[Runner77]

Yanni Gourde maybe? UFA, don’t think he’ll go back to Seattle. 33 years old and likely won’t command too many years or too much money. Has won two Cups

He was mentioned but not as the first option.

On the UFA front, Sam Bennett would be ideal, 28 yrs old C2, lefty. Would he want to join the Habs? That’s always been a tough sell.

 

[le_sean]

He was mentioned but not as the first option.

On the UFA front, Sam Bennett would be ideal, 28 yrs old C2, lefty. Would he want to join the Habs? That’s always been a tough sell.

I just feel he’s going to cost so much ($7m+ for 7 years). Though maybe that’s the type of centre Laine and Demidov would need. He’s certainly not a 3C

 

[vokiel]

Well it’s kinda like saying :

Next year, do you want Reinbacher playing 14:00 minutes a game on the 3rd pair behind Matheson and Carrier or you want him on the 1st pair in Laval playing 25 minutes a night?

Both options have their +- but it’s not black and white.

No it isn't, because Kovacevic is playing 20 minutes a game in average.

 

[Habssince89]

He was mentioned but not as the first option.

On the UFA front, Sam Bennett would be ideal, 28 yrs old C2, lefty. Would he want to join the Habs? That’s always been a tough sell.

Definitely a tough sell but if there were ever a time to entice UFAs it's now since the cap is rising and we have more talent up front than we have in the last 30+ years. Great time to hop on the bus

 

[TheBuriedHab]

Reports that devils looking at JT Miller. Probably Nemec + ?? for JT.

 

[sampollock]

I heard ex-player turned pundit, Éric Bélanger on 91.9 FM suggest a few names but his idea would be to try and land the center man version of Alex Carrier, someone to whom you wouldn’t have to commit a lengthy contract.

That would probably require lightning to strike twice. Look at all the teams that came out of the woodwork and claimed they would have made an offer had they known Carrier was available.

a centre that is good at the dot and plays with a little edge
? is .... who is out there??

I just feel he’s going to cost so much ($7m+ for 7 years). Though maybe that’s the type of centre Laine and Demidov would need. He’s certainly not a 3C

Benett wont make ufa and if he does will want 8+

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

He was mentioned but not as the first option.

On the UFA front, Sam Bennett would be ideal, 28 yrs old C2, lefty. Would he want to join the Habs? That’s always been a tough sell.

I think anyone giving Bennett long-term will regret it. He plays a physical game and has dealt with lots of injuries already in his career, won't be surprised to see him fall off in his early 30s like Gallagher.

 

[TT1]

Roy + Mailloux + 2nd for a good shutdown RD, it's that time again

 

[sampollock]

I think anyone giving Bennett long-term will regret it. He plays a physical game and has dealt with lots of injuries already in his career, won't be surprised to see him fall off in his early 30s like Gallagher.

no way KH would sign Benett for over 8
plus FLA will keep him

 

[morhilane]

Reports that devils looking at JT Miller. Probably Nemec + ?? for JT.

So the Devils are the team this year who will be on everything and everyone.

 

[sampollock]

So the Devils are the team this year who will be on everything and everyone.

and the figs. lol
as per tsn

 

[morhilane]

and the figs. lol
as per tsn

Of course.