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HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #89: 2024-2025 season part II

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BergevinBurner said:
I know it's not apples to apples, but the point is that they've been gutting their cupboard for years in a very foolish/reckless way. I agree their core is a problem, but they keep shedding assets trying to brute for it into working.

I think trading for Crosby at this point would be just as foolish/reckless. We haven't made the playoffs yet in this rebuild (and statistically we probably won't this season). Moving multiple 1sts worth of assets for 2 years of a guy at this point doesn't make sense to me. I don't think we're winning a cup next year, with or without Crosby. I'd much rather package those assets for a long term piece that fills a team need.
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That's fair and if it were any other player, I'd agree with you. It is a little reckless. But I'm not going to concede that it would 'ruin the rebuild' because I don't think that's true at all.

We're further along in the rebuild than people want to see. I don't see trading Logan Mailloux/Mid first rounders in this year's draft as a rebuild-tanking move when we have guys like Demidov/Hage coming (and Reinbacher hopefully recovering on D).

Most of our core guys are already signed long-term. We can always draft new ones, sure, but I wouldn't hold onto them like they're automatic gold (like Bergevin did in the 2010s... except for Christian bleeping Dvorak) because they are definitely not.
 
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Andersson and Calgary are both talking down his availability. Seems like mostly noise at this time.

I would throw a ton of futures at the Islanders for Dobson. I think the last piece we need is a top 4 RD. And we are ready to enter our cup contending years.

Dobson for 2025 1st x 2, Owen Beck and Logan Mailloux.

I know no one will want to part with Beck....but realistically he will only fit in as our 3rd Centre. Hage and Kapanen can both play in that role. I'd resign Evans too.

Resign - Evans and Armia (if price is right). Trade Dvorak and Savard at TDL.

Next year

Slaf - Suzuki - Caufield
Laine - Dach - Demidov -- I think Dach takes another step next year with Demidov and Laine on wings
Heineman - Evans - Newhook - these guys all have decent motors. Newhook should be on the third line.
Anderson - Kapanen - Gally
Armia

Hutson - Dobson
Guhle - Reinbacher -- its time for Guhle to fully realize his leadership role and take DR under his watch
Xhekaj - Carrier

Monty
Dobes

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With Beck moving to NYI and Demi + Kap + Reinbacher moving up we will need to restock some of our cupboards. Hage and Fowler will be our main prime pieces left.

In 2025 we will still have 2 x 2nd, 3 x 3rd and 2 x 4th round picks. We can possibly package some to move back into the 1st round at the draft.

In 2026 Hage will move into the lineup and will slot in the #3 centre role with the plan for him eventually to be #2. Kapanen to wing at that point to make room and we can let Anderson or Gally walk. Their contracts will be expiring.

I've got this shit all planned out in my head!
 
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Vachon23 said:
Ryan Pulock is a very interesting target.

Top 4 defensive RD with experience that could play with Hutson
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I think we are going to find out a lot more value on Matheson as we chase the playoffs from now till TDL. The Hutson and Matheson pairing has been top notch and two puck movers like that are really starting to show how effective it is.

The more I think about it, I would keep Matheson if he is open to a team friendly deal to stay in Montreal and try to win a cup. Pulock worries me with skating declines in his 30+ years. Matheson's skating is showing zero signs of slowing down.

Cost of assets to get into RD bidding wars
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Not spending the assets and keeping Matheson.
 
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Habs Halifax said:
The cost won't be that high anyways. Fans have to consider the NMC factor and his age.



It's not a 0% chance. Maybe 10%? :laugh:

All I will say is this... there is no way Crosby will want to just ride it out and not be on a playoff team. He's way to competitive. So yeah, if he opens up his NMC, I'm pretty sure the Habs will be one of those teams. The Avs probably the front runners but what do they trade and how do they fit him in their cap?

Imagine if Eklund was right? :scared: Habs trying to free up cap in another move so they can add Crosby? That guy is Gallagher. Pens and Habs already been talking but Pens don't want Gallagher as a contract going the other way. Hughes trying to move Gallagher in another move. Good luck! :laugh:
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You think nhl teams won't fight eachother for Crosby. You think Colorado or a team like Tampa wouldn't pay a heavy price for him? For a playoff contender team Crosby is beyond perfect. Imagine like MacKinnon on the first with Crosby behind. Meanwhile we would pay him to replace Dach? What's the point of trading for Dach then
 
HabsWhiteKnightLOL said:
You think nhl teams won't fight eachother for Crosby. You think Colorado or a team like Tampa wouldn't pay a heavy price for him? For a playoff contender team Crosby is beyond perfect. Imagine like MacKinnon on the first with Crosby behind. Meanwhile we would pay him to replace Dach? What's the point of trading for Dach then
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Did you read the part where I said it depends on how many teams Crosby opens up his NMC for? Huge factor bud

The point of trading for Dach was to add a 60+ pts 2C. He's not there yet.

No way we should have an "automatic no" reply if Crosby is open to coming to Montreal. Great for business and he's not coming to an island by himself. Look at what he can do with a crap roster the Pens have and then consider what he can do on our roster? It could very well mean a Stanley Cup!

He's going to age very well. He's already proven that.
 
Saundies said:
Yeah, you're right. We did the right thing in the 2010s not trading:

McCarron
Sherbak
Beaulieu
Poehling
Juulsen
Tinordi

to help the team. They're all turning into future legends and helped us establish a dynasty. My bad.

Core piece Logan Mailloux is too valuable to trade for Sidney Crosby. Lmao.
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You compare a time when we had the best goalie in the NHL. You also picked the dead era of Bergevin and Timmins. Right now we are in a complete rebuild with scraps of Bergevin and you wanna potentially give a top 10 pick for perhaps a chance to get smoked in first round.

Giving your future for a playoff run
 
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HabsWhiteKnightLOL said:
You compare a time when we had the best goalie in the NHL. You also picked the dead era of Bergevin and Timmins. Right now we are in a complete rebuild with scraps of Bergevin and you wanna potentially give a top 10 pick for perhaps a chance to get smoked in first round.

Giving your future for a playoff run
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We won't give our future for one playoff run. That is the blind spot in your line of thinking. Yes, it's not an easy decision to make but it's definitely something we should evaluate and consider. We don't even know the return and can you remind us what you said about Laine? I can't remember to be honest... Were you on the "ruin our team culture" bandwagon or not?

Even if we traded Dach and one of our 1sts, we would still be a very good team with many parts of our youth core locked up. Even after Crosby retires. Imagine Crosby with Demidov and Laine, while we let Suzuki, Caufield, and Slaf do their thing? That might be the best two lines in the entire NHL.

Ruining our future narrative is just not accurate.
 
Vachon23 said:
Ryan Pulock is a very interesting target.

Top 4 defensive RD with experience that could play with Hutson
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Can't remember if it's him, or Mayfield(maybe both), but Islander fans think they're terrible.

Pulock's numbers look good. Positive player, over a hit per game and over 2 block shots a game and had a bit of offense, so if he's not complete crap like they say I'm down.

You'd also get him for almost the prime years of a dman.

Depending on cost that's a solid choice if they're actually looking to move him.
 
Saundies said:
The only asset in there that's iffy is Beck and that's only because we're so thin on Center.

Look at the roster.

The established core (signed longterm currently): Slaf, Suzuki, Caufield, Guhle. Hutson will be added to this, I have no doubt.

Up and coming key pieces: Demidov, Hage, Reinbacher (I'm iffy on him because of the uncertainty of his injury/last year's development, but many still consider him key)

The rest: Mailloux, Beck, Roy, Engstrom, Kapanen, Mesar, all of our draft picks, etc.

If the trade does not include anyone from the top 2 groups, it affects the rebuild as it stands in no way. Having picks and good prospects is a nice thing, but not all of them make it or make it with your team (that's just a fact).

I'd take 2-3 years of Sidney Crosby any day over an unknown.
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The issue with that proposal is that while Crosby is a great player, you still have a suspect bottom 6 (with re-signed Dvo and Armia) and D corps with little assets left to fix them.

The Habs would be better off spending these assets on a RD than on Crosby.
 
Treb said:
The issue with that proposal is that while Crosby is a great player, you still have a suspect bottom 6 (with re-signed Dvo and Armia) and D corps with little assets left to fix them.

The Habs would be better off spending these assets on a RD than on Crosby.
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Dach and one of the 1st and maybe a 2nd. Pens will want a NHL player coming back. This is not some situation where 10 teams bid on him. It's very likely Crosby will have 3 teams max. That limits the return vs the 10+ team bidding war.

We are talking about a 37 year old star with a NMC. This is not even close to a EP40 bidding war

Circumstance is important in trade value. Just like the Laine trade. Different circumstances yes but we should get the point. If the costs is crazy high, we say no.
 
Habs Halifax said:
We won't give our future for one playoff run. That is the blind spot in your line of thinking. Yes, it's not an easy decision to make but it's definitely something we should evaluate and consider. We don't even know the return and can you remind us what you said about Laine? I can't remember to be honest... Were you on the "ruin our team culture" bandwagon or not?

Even if we traded Dach and one of our 1sts, we would still be a very good team with many parts of our youth core locked up. Even after Crosby retires. Imagine Crosby with Demidov and Laine, while we let Suzuki, Caufield, and Slaf do their thing? That might be the best two lines in the entire NHL.

Ruining our future narrative is just not accurate.
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Crosby is not giving us a 100percent success playoffs run. Like what. Get a player like Dobson or an actual future player who will grow with the core instead of a pity year
 
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HabsWhiteKnightLOL said:
Crosby is not giving us a 100percent success playoffs run. Like what. Get a player like Dobson or an actual future player who will grow with the core instead of a pity year
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It's not just one run. We are not limited to just one move either.

If Crosby is traded, the package will be:
* NHL player (Dach quality)
* 1st rounder (most contenders can only offer late 1st)
* Grade B+ type prospect (Mailloux or Beck type)

We would still have plenty of assets to trade for someone like Dobson.
 
What would be a fair price to get our hands on Simon Nemec?

He's clearly a dependable assets for NJ (Hamilton, Hughes, Pesce, Siegenthaler, Dillon, Kovacevic, Silayev, Casey, etc.)... I think they are ok for a while lol.

I guess Logan Mailloux could be part of the deal? Jakes Evans if we can't get to an agreement with him?
 
1000eeer said:
What would be a fair price to get our hands on Simon Nemec?

He's clearly a dependable assets for NJ (Hamilton, Hughes, Pesce, Siegenthaler, Dillon, Kovacevic, Silayev, Casey, etc.)... I think they are ok for a while lol.

I guess Logan Mailloux could be part of the deal? Jakes Evans if we can't get to an agreement with him?
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2nd OA pick and they are allowing him to develop while they are a playoff team. I don't believe they are low on his value. They likely value him just as much as we value Reinbacher. Or more!

Evans with extension and the Habs 1st might get their attention. We might have to add a RD like Mailloux or Engstrom.
 
Gaylord Q Tinkledink said:
Can't remember if it's him, or Mayfield(maybe both), but Islander fans think they're terrible.

Pulock's numbers look good. Positive player, over a hit per game and over 2 block shots a game and had a bit of offense, so if he's not complete crap like they say I'm down.

You'd also get him for almost the prime years of a dman.

Depending on cost that's a solid choice if they're actually looking to move him.
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Pulock is interesting, but he doesn't help offensively on the ice and his numbers are more ok than good.

You'd also not be getting him "for almost the prime years of a dman". His game has already started to slip. With the rising cap his contract isn't awful, but its not great.

He also has a full NTC, and would need to want to go to Montreal (and Lou would need to be willing to move him, which I don't buy for a second).
 
HabsWhiteKnightLOL said:
You compare a time when we had the best goalie in the NHL. You also picked the dead era of Bergevin and Timmins. Right now we are in a complete rebuild with scraps of Bergevin and you wanna potentially give a top 10 pick for perhaps a chance to get smoked in first round.

Giving your future for a playoff run
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What future am I giving? This is the hilarious part of your reaction. We're not trading Ivan Demidov/Michael Hage/Lane Hutson for Crosby. Your reaction would be way more appropriate if I proposed that but it's not. You're getting worked up over Logan Mailloux and random unknown guys that we have no idea if they will pan out or not.

If we finish just in the playoffs, our pick is 16-17-18, not top 10.

I get that I'm on a prospects board so the bias toward them is going to be way more than any other hockey discussion venue but I would trade Mailloux/random dudes who might be good one day for Sidney Crosby no matter what, regardless of age. This isn't 38 year old Eric Staal here.

Treb said:
The issue with that proposal is that while Crosby is a great player, you still have a suspect bottom 6 (with re-signed Dvo and Armia) and D corps with little assets left to fix them.

The Habs would be better off spending these assets on a RD than on Crosby.
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Understandable, but the bottom six is way easier to re-tool and build than the top 6. There would be less assets, but retooling down here rarely costs first rounders.

I do concede that the assets would be probably better spent on RD, but even though Dach has been playing better getting Crosby improves our Top 6 and our C's an insane amount.
 
Habs Halifax said:
It's not just one run. We are not limited to just one move either.

If Crosby is traded, the package will be:
* NHL player (Dach quality)
* 1st rounder (most contenders can only offer late 1st)
* Grade B+ type prospect (Mailloux or Beck type)

We would still have plenty of assets to trade for someone like Dobson.
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Ok but the initial offer from the quote was 2 first pick Mailloux and Beck , now you are changing thing the assets
 
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