HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #89: 2024-2025 season part II

[Benstheman]

Yup - HuGo are in a leverage position, if teams want the UFAs they need to overpay, otherwise Habs hold onto them as if they were deadline acquisitions …. as simple as that IMO


Habs 2025 1st rounder unprotected - Pens have minimal leverage as Crosby has final say in destination teams.

Assumes Crosby would waive NMC for Mtl

I don't quite remember the details of his 2 years extension that Insiders have said has been made to facilitate a trade. Not sure if it is a big signing bonus paid July 1st, when is new contract is kicking or something else.

Anyways, I think a Crosby trade would only happen later in the summer, after Pens failed to make or even be close to make the playoffs and the organization commits to a complete rebuild. If they in fact do commit to tear it up, the first stage will probably be fire Dubas and hire a new GM.

Then Crosby would understand the best thing for the organization would be to accept to be traded ensuring the rebuild is starting on the right track (ditto for Malkin). And I really believe that's what will happen. Now I don't know how much would Crosby help the organization getting the best return possible for him, considering he has a full NTC. Does he accept a trade to only one team?? 2 teams?? Or he give them more options?

Now everybody talks about Colorado but I am not so sure it is even a possibility considering Landeskog and Rantanen situations. Maybe if Rantanen signs elsewhere comes July 1st, then Crosby becomes a solution for them. I don't know. But Colorado is probably a natural fit form.

Another contending team that has a need for him and the cap space to take his contract?? Florida?? If they don't extend Bennett nor Ekblad?? I don't know. I'm not sure getting to retirement on the beach is such a Crosby thing after all.

Then there is the Habs. His childhood team. Canadian team. Young up and coming team with lots of talent. A team that would have one of the best top 6 forwards group in the league if Crosby comes in Mtl.
I think if the Habs make the playoffs this season and with the possibility to play on a line with Demidov and Laine, Crosby might think it would be an interesting destination for him.

As for the cost of the trade, I think it would not be prohibitive at all. I think Habs 2026 1st, a young roster player like Newhook and a good prospect like Mailloux or Engstrom would do it.

 

[ReHabs]

That's what i mean by F%$/ up our rebuild, no way i am giving up these 4 assets for Crosby.
Crosby as 2 maybe 3 good years left in him.

Bergevin is that you?

 

[Saundies]

Imagine if we trade Evans for a pick around 25 (lets say). I know, we are chasing the playoffs but lots can happen from now till deadline. Lets just say we do trade Evans and end up with the 25th pick

Habs pick: 13
Flames pick: 14
Evans return pick: 25

What would 13, 14, 25 get you? 5-8 range? That would be interesting dilemma for teams in that 5-8 range... They would be like, "We are not trading our pick to move back" and then be like "huh, what? You are offering 3 first rounders"

If we're trading multiple first rounders, I want to do it for a good player. An established guy to join the lineup and bolster us right now (as we're progressing).

A high pick is good, but they probably don't have much impact on the actual roster for another 3 years. In 3 years (especially with Demidov coming) I would want our cup window to be open.

Team's starting their rebuilds would part with a great player for this type of package.

 

[sampollock]

The team will either force his hand or won’t.

I suspect a lot or all of the pending UFAs will simply be kept, should the team remain in the mix at the trade deadline.

yes agreed fans should not count on UFA 's

 

[Habs Halifax]

That's what i mean by F%$/ up our rebuild, no way i am giving up these 4 assets for Crosby.
Crosby as 2 maybe 3 good years left in him.

It would not F up the rebuild. I'm not saying that is the exact package we would trade but you got to look at what you have left after the trade before you assume our future is ruined.

Our window is basically Suzuki-Demidov. 7 or 8 year age range with a lot in the middle of it. They all grow together as Suzuki heads towards age 30. This is how it's going to play out. Then yes, we are going to add pieces younger than Demidov but we will add pieces older than Suzuki as well.

 

[sampollock]

how about Braden Schneider big rh D

 

[Habs Halifax]

yes agreed fans should not count on UFA 's

I don't think most of us are counting on it. I think we are just looking at potential options but if they don't play out, we wait for the next opportunity. That's the advantage we have right now with our team on the rise, a deep pool, and lots of cap space.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Bergevin is that you?

Bergevin is actually the clown would give 3 first pick for an upcoming 38 year olds for a team that is one streak of lost to finish bottom 10.

We talk building for the future and this fanbase wants to trade for a guy about to retire by giving a potential nhl center ready and 3 first picks. Just shows that people just look at names when they trade for a player

 

[JadedRandom]

how about Braden Schneider big rh D

NYR won't want to trade Schneider, he's in their long-term plans for sure.

And with Reinbacher in our prospect pool Schneider would be a bit redundant.

I wouldn't say no to trying to package Newhook+ for Chytil though if it was at all possible. I feel like Chytil could have a major bounce-back year if we put him in our system since he's talented, smart, and quite fast for his size too.

But Gorton's relationship with the Rangers is such that I can't see us trading with them anytime soon.

 

[Benstheman]

Imagine if we trade Evans for a pick around 25 (lets say). I know, we are chasing the playoffs but lots can happen from now till deadline. Lets just say we do trade Evans and end up with the 25th pick

Habs pick: 13
Flames pick: 14
Evans return pick: 25

What would 13, 14, 25 get you? 5-8 range? That would be interesting dilemma for teams in that 5-8 range... They would be like, "We are not trading our pick to move back" and then be like "huh, what? You are offering 3 first rounders?"

13 + 25 + maybe our 2nd gets us there.

13+14+25 is too much for 5OA to 8OA.

 

[Saundies]

That's what i mean by F%$/ up our rebuild, no way i am giving up these 4 assets for Crosby.
Crosby as 2 maybe 3 good years left in him.

The only asset in there that's iffy is Beck and that's only because we're so thin on Center.

Look at the roster.

The established core (signed longterm currently): Slaf, Suzuki, Caufield, Guhle. Hutson will be added to this, I have no doubt.

Up and coming key pieces: Demidov, Hage, Reinbacher (I'm iffy on him because of the uncertainty of his injury/last year's development, but many still consider him key)

The rest: Mailloux, Beck, Roy, Engstrom, Kapanen, Mesar, all of our draft picks, etc.

If the trade does not include anyone from the top 2 groups, it affects the rebuild as it stands in no way. Having picks and good prospects is a nice thing, but not all of them make it or make it with your team (that's just a fact).

I'd take 2-3 years of Sidney Crosby any day over an unknown.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

The only asset in there that's iffy is Beck and that's only because we're so thin on Center.

Look at the roster.

The established core (signed longterm currently): Slaf, Suzuki, Caufield, Guhle. Hutson will be added to this, I have no doubt.

Up and coming key pieces: Demidov, Hage, Reinbacher (I'm iffy on him because of the uncertainty of his injury/last year's development, but many still consider him key)

The rest: Mailloux, Beck, Roy, Engstrom, Kapanen, Mesar, all of our draft picks, etc.

If the trade does not include anyone from the top 2 groups, it affects the rebuild as it stands in no way. Having picks and good prospects is a nice thing, but not all of them make it or make it with your team (that's just a fact).

I'd take 2-3 years of Sidney Crosby any day over an unknown.

So you'd pick a guy with 120 games left of hockey over 3 first rounder which we can still easily miss the playoffs? Mindboggling . Let's trade for Fleury and Ovechkin at this point sell everything

 

[Habs Halifax]

13 + 25 + maybe our 2nd gets us there.

13+14+25 is too much for 5OA to 8OA.

Value wise yes. But those teams in the 5-8 range are emotionally attached to what they can get and their scouts have done a lot of work evaluating the guys that should go in that range.

When teams move back or up, it's usually circumstantial. So I guess we would need a team in that range that thinks the talent is very good at 13 and 14.

 

[sampollock]

could it be????
would it be????

Pitt sucks so bad. Crosby asks to get out and go to the CH
nah, I am dreaming

 

[Habs Halifax]

So you'd pick a guy with 120 games left of hockey over 3 first rounder which we can still easily miss the playoffs? Mindboggling . Let's trade for Fleury and Ovechkin at this point sell everything

The cost won't be that high anyways. Fans have to consider the NMC factor and his age.

could it be????
would it be????

Pitt sucks so bad. Crosby asks to get out and go to the CH
nah, I am dreaming

It's not a 0% chance. Maybe 10%?

All I will say is this... there is no way Crosby will want to just ride it out and not be on a playoff team. He's way to competitive. So yeah, if he opens up his NMC, I'm pretty sure the Habs will be one of those teams. The Avs probably the front runners but what do they trade and how do they fit him in their cap?

Imagine if Eklund was right? Habs trying to free up cap in another move so they can add Crosby? That guy is Gallagher. Pens and Habs already been talking but Pens don't want Gallagher as a contract going the other way. Hughes trying to move Gallagher in another move. Good luck!

 

[Benstheman]

NYR won't want to trade Schneider, he's in their long-term plans for sure.

And with Reinbacher in our prospect pool Schneider would be a bit redundant.

I wouldn't say no to trying to package Newhook+ for Chytil though if it was at all possible. I feel like Chytil could have a major bounce-back year if we put him in our system since he's talented, smart, and quite fast for his size too.

But Gorton's relationship with the Rangers is such that I can't see us trading with them anytime soon.

That's a deal I would be really interested in during the summer if we trade Evans at this trade deadline.

 

[Benstheman]

So you'd pick a guy with 120 games left of hockey over 3 first rounder which we can still easily miss the playoffs? Mindboggling . Let's trade for Fleury and Ovechkin at this point sell everything

I agree 3 1sts picks is pushing it ALOT and I'm pretty sure it wouldn't cost anything near that for Crosby.

But if we get Crosby and you add Demidov, Reinbacher and maybe Beck, there is no way in hell we don't make the playoffs next season.

The cost won't be that high anyways. Fans have to consider the NMC factor and his age.



It's not a 0% chance. Maybe 10%?

All I will say is this... there is no way Crosby will want to just ride it out and not be on a playoff team. He's way to competitive. So yeah, if he opens up his NMC, I'm pretty sure the Habs will be one of those teams. The Avs probably the front runners but what do they trade and how do they fit him in their cap?

Imagine if Eklund was right? Habs trying to free up cap in another move so they can add Crosby? That guy is Gallagher. Pens and Habs already been talking but Pens don't want Gallagher as a contract going the other way. Hughes trying to move Gallagher in another move. Good luck!

I' pretty sure Habs would be near contending team if we add Crosby, Demidov and healthy Reinbacher to the actual team.

 

[Saundies]

So you'd pick a guy with 120 games left of hockey over 3 first rounder which we can still easily miss the playoffs? Mindboggling . Let's trade for Fleury and Ovechkin at this point sell everything

Yeah, you're right. We did the right thing in the 2010s not trading:

McCarron
Sherbak
Beaulieu
Poehling
Juulsen
Tinordi

to help the team. They're all turning into future legends and helped us establish a dynasty. My bad.

Core piece Logan Mailloux is too valuable to trade for Sidney Crosby. Lmao.

 

[Habs Halifax]

NYR won't want to trade Schneider, he's in their long-term plans for sure.

And with Reinbacher in our prospect pool Schneider would be a bit redundant.

I wouldn't say no to trying to package Newhook+ for Chytil though if it was at all possible. I feel like Chytil could have a major bounce-back year if we put him in our system since he's talented, smart, and quite fast for his size too.

But Gorton's relationship with the Rangers is such that I can't see us trading with them anytime soon.

I pass. He's not the type of 3C I would be targeting.
* Not good on faceoffs
* Doesn't hit or block much
* Giveaways and Takeaways are meh.
* Rangers have been using him 65-70%+ in offensive zone starts and his numbers are still meh.

If we let go Evans, we need to look for a different type of center than Chytil. Chytil is like a Newhook piece. Just keep Newhook.

 

[BergevinBurner]

I'd much rather target Malkin over Crosby. The price for Crosby will be astronomical even though he'll be 38 to start next season. I'd have to imagine the price for Malkin will be significantly less, and he'd just be here for 1 season to buy us time to sort out the 2C slot.

I think giving up any combination of Beck/Mailloux/Habs 1st/Flames 1st for a year or 2 of Crosby BEFORE we've even entered our playoff window would be foolish. We'd look just like the Leafs throwing 1sts away year after year with nothing to show for it. If we were a top 3 team in the Atlantic and have made the playoffs the last few years then sure, go for it. But selling off that many futures for a guy that doesn't line up with our window would be foolish.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

The rational part of my brain knows all the reasons why we shouldn't do it, but I'd be lying if I didn't admit I'd pop big time at seeing Crosby in a Habs jersey.

 

[Saundies]

I'd much rather target Malkin over Crosby. The price for Crosby will be astronomical even though he'll be 38 to start next season. I'd have to imagine the price for Malkin will be significantly less, and he'd just be here for 1 season to buy us time to sort out the 2C slot.

I think giving up any combination of Beck/Mailloux/Habs 1st/Flames 1st for a year or 2 of Crosby BEFORE we've even entered our playoff window would be foolish. We'd look just like the Leafs throwing 1sts away year after year with nothing to show for it. If we were a top 3 team in the Atlantic and have made the playoffs the last few years then sure, go for it. But selling off that many futures for a guy that doesn't line up with our window would be foolish.

The Leafs strategy of building a team is foolish, not them "throwing away firsts". It hasn't affected their window at all. They're first in the Atlantic.

Refusing to change their top-heavy team structure and letting Joe Blow play net every year is foolish, not buying and trying to win. Their rentals have always been solid, it's the core group that's rotten.

 

[therocket9]

With Carrier, I don't think Habs need a Pulock.

They need either an upgrade on Carrier (dropping him to the 3rd pair with Xhekaj) with Guhle or an upgrade to Matheson with Hutson.

RHD that are ufa this summer....Ekblad Pionk Perbix Borgen Kovacevic and Gavrikov who is a LHD but who has been playing the right side all year with the Doughty injury.

 

[Benstheman]

The rational part of my brain knows all the reasons why we shouldn't do it, but I'd be lying if I didn't admit I'd pop big time at seeing Crosby in a Habs jersey.

The only reason we shouldn't go for Cosby is if the price is prohibitive and I don't think it will be.

 

[BergevinBurner]

The Leafs strategy of building a team is foolish, not them "throwing away firsts". It hasn't affected their window at all. They're first in the Atlantic.

Refusing to change their top-heavy team structure and letting Joe Blow play net every year is foolish, not buying and trying to win. Their rentals have always been solid, it's the core group that's rotten.

I know it's not apples to apples, but the point is that they've been gutting their cupboard for years in a very foolish/reckless way. I agree their core is a problem, but they keep shedding assets trying to brute for it into working.

I think trading for Crosby at this point would be just as foolish/reckless. We haven't made the playoffs yet in this rebuild (and statistically we probably won't this season). Moving multiple 1sts worth of assets for 2 years of a guy at this point doesn't make sense to me. I don't think we're winning a cup next year, with or without Crosby. I'd much rather package those assets for a long term piece that fills a team need.