Disagree. I don't see Harris improving much from this point. Modest gains after he showed maturity at a younger age. With Barron, I see more untapped potential.
So you'd bench, waive, or trade away Harris to give Barron a spot? Fine with me.
But else do you bench, waive, or trade away to give Barron a spot in the NHL -- because Harris or no Harris, Barron's still not a 6th dman.
Is the team better for it? The team intends on making the playoffs. Hyper-fixating on Barron's development at the expense of the team's performance is probably the worst possible thing to do. They need to play meaningful games in April and May.
And if you intend on stashing Barron in the AHL, that's also fine, but how is that going to help him develop his NHL-game *and lap* Harris, Struble, etc. on the depth chart?
I dont usually do trade idea, but what about this:
To MTL: Perfetti + MTL 2e 2024
To WIN: Barron + WIN 1e 2024 + Van 3rd 2025
i understand whyI dont usually do trade idea, but what about this:
To MTL: Perfetti + MTL 2e 2024
To WIN: Barron + WIN 1e 2024 + Van 3rd 2025
A majority of defensemen improve after age 25. This was only his 2nd full year in the NHL. How is he in any way "mature", but Barron is not.
What a ridiculously stubborn understanding of defensemen development.
If Levshunov is available at #5 ???Can't see why STL would do this. They need top D, sure, but Dvorsky looks very promessing.
Nah, you are assuming they all grow at the same rates and you're getting frustrated because I have Barron with higher potential than Harris. Deal with it.
I see less improvement from Harris than Barron moving forward. Harris is ahead of him today but I see the potential of Barron to move and improve in that 23-25+ ages. And yeah, I spoke towards this already. Are you actually reading everything?
I don't have defenseman growing at the same rate, but statistics show that a defenseman's prime is post age 25. Harris is 23, but you've already decided he's as good as he's going to get. That's just
They can both go. Both are overly soft players.
like that kid alotI dont usually do trade idea, but what about this:
To MTL: Perfetti + MTL 2e 2024
To WIN: Barron + WIN 1e 2024 + Van 3rd 2025
I notice there is no Barron in your top6. Hence the topic at hand.We can ride with 8D to start the season if we have too...
Huton & Reinbacher to start in the AHL to groom their game to the pro level.
Matheson / Guhle
Struble / Savard
Xhekaj / Mailloux
Harris, Kova
If Hutson forces his way on, Harris or Kova go on waivers. Then we rotate guys in/out but lets face it, there is going to be an injury to one of those 8.
We will explore trade options with Harris and Barron but if the offers are crap, we don't need to make any desperation moves. If we can ride with 3 goalies this past season, we can certainly ride with 8D to start next year.
That means we will have 13F and one extra. Maybe that means we loose Ylonen or RHP to waivers?
I notice there is no Barron in your top6. Hence the topic at hand.
Seems like you can't concede a simple point: he's fallen too low on the depth chart to rely on.
Yeah so do I. Perfetty is real good. Sort of like jt miller with tampa. Not a lot of chance to shine. I don’t think peg give him up though.like that kid alot
Perfetti be player Hughes pursue. Acquire him before he breaks out.I dont usually do trade idea, but what about this:
To MTL: Perfetti + MTL 2e 2024
To WIN: Barron + WIN 1e 2024 + Van 3rd 2025
Agreed. Never said they would. Just said I’d be surprised if Hughes didn’t inquire about Gauthier.We're still not moving Reinbacher. It's a ridiculous idea.
I doubt he would be interested in playing for the Habs.Agreed. Never said they would. Just said I’d be surprised if Hughes didn’t inquire about Gauthier.
Edmonton's probably going to ask for at least one of Suzuki/Slaf/Caufield, one of Guhle/Hutson/Reinbacher and then we add on top of that.What kind of of package if Draisaitl wants out of Edmonton ?
FWIW Laraque say he wants to go to Boston.
Habs need to at least try real hard to make this happen.
I may be stating the obvious obviousness
Trading for him with 1 year left on his contract would be a very bad moveEdmonton's probably going to ask for at least one of Suzuki/Slaf/Caufield, one of Guhle/Hutson/Reinbacher and then we add on top of that.
Trading for Draisaitl makes no sense for the position we're in. We'd end up punching holes in our lineup just to obtain a guy going on 29. It'd probably take us a few more years to undo the damage it cost to obtain him, and by then Draisaitl will be out of his prime.
And Hughes has said many times they are not going to deviate away from the plan to acquire any player.He may make a deal as he has already done for draft picks or a b prospect but will not trade the young core he is building.Any thought of trading the top line or any of our young Def is just plain silly.Barron ,Kovacevic and possibly Harris if it's a really good opportunity but thats it.Edmonton's probably going to ask for at least one of Suzuki/Slaf/Caufield, one of Guhle/Hutson/Reinbacher and then we add on top of that.
Trading for Draisaitl makes no sense for the position we're in. We'd end up punching holes in our lineup just to obtain a guy going on 29. It'd probably take us a few more years to undo the damage it cost to obtain him, and by then Draisaitl will be out of his prime.
I’m not Laraque biggest fans but he’s connected in EDMWhat kind of of package if Draisaitl wants out of Edmonton ?
FWIW Laraque say he wants to go to Boston.
Habs need to at least try real hard to make this happen.
I may be stating the obvious obviousness
Why would he want to go to Boston? Although he'd be a massive addition and would make the team competitive again.What kind of of package if Draisaitl wants out of Edmonton ?
FWIW Laraque say he wants to go to Boston.
Habs need to at least try real hard to make this happen.
I may be stating the obvious obviousness
My bad. Mailloux in the AHL with Hutson and Reinbacher and Barron in the mix of the NHL 8D
I have moving parts with the D after Matheson, Guhle, Savard. Let them fight for the full time spots and yeah, spare me with the bad development card if they are not playing full time. I have no doubt that there are going to be injuries and they all will get their share of games in. NHL D is like pitchers in baseball... Having more than 5 starters is ideal, not a problem.
The main point? We don't have to be desperate to move Harris and Barron this summer if other teams devalue them. Of course we would like to make some moves and I'm sure we will so this might be a meaningless conversation today. However, if the trade package for a top 6F doesn't work, we do not have to make desperation moves to unload one or both of Harris and Barron.
I think it's more important not to rush Hutson, Reinbacher, and Mailloux.