Proposal: Trade Juuse Saros

[Predsanddead24]

Im actually curious if Winnipeg views Novak as a legit 2C and would be interested in sending us Rutger.

Given that McGroarty's issue was that the Jets wouldn't promise him a path to playing time I can't see how we would be any better of a spot for him.

 

[herzausstein]

Given that McGroarty's issue was that the Jets wouldn't promise him a path to playing time I can't see how we would be any better of a spot for him.

That's how you end up on a rebuilding team because those are just about the only teams willing to promise NHL time to a young prospect. I do think with our current NHL LW players he would have a good shot though... just gotta beat out one of Forsberg, Jankowski, C. Smith, Tomasino?... assuming Nyquist is on the 1st line for Forsberg.

 

[Predsanddead24]

Leafs reportedly locking Woll up for 3 more years seems to suggest they are out of the Saros sweepstakes (if they were ever really in it). That also suggest Marner isn't particularly likely since we don't really have any other big pieces.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Given that McGroarty's issue was that the Jets wouldn't promise him a path to playing time I can't see how we would be any better of a spot for him.

It seems weird to me that a college player would really feel in a position to ask for promises in terms of playing time? I mean, unless you're a really top prospect, like Celebrini and Smith and guys who are picked right at the top of the draft and so on. It seems more likely to me that a guy like McGroarty's ask would be more along the lines of "well, if I'm going to leave college after just 2 years, why should I do it just to play in the AHL", which isn't at all an uncommon position for NCAA players to take?

The Jets have his rights until August 2026, there doesn't seem to be any big rush here. If they want to try to sign McGroarty after his junior NCAA season ends next year, the typical route is yeah, sign him, he plays a game or two at the end of the season, burns an ELC year, and then is on the normal path to earning a spot that everybody is on after that. So I'm not really sure why it has suddenly become any big deal that a college prospect doesn't want to sign in the off-season after his sophomore year?

 

[GeauxPreds1]

Leafs reportedly locking Woll up for 3 more years seems to suggest they are out of the Saros sweepstakes (if they were ever really in it). That also suggest Marner isn't particularly likely since we don't really have any other big pieces.

I’m glad. The more I thought about a marner trade the more I disliked it. Giving a player 12 million a year would be a mistake. Especially when you can get 2 good players for that. For example say you give marchessaultt 6 and monahan 4.5 and tarasenko 5. Now you have a brand new line that only makes 3.5 million more. Before anything said I’m just using it as an example not saying we sign those players. Let’s moneyball it lol

 

[Predsanddead24]

It seems weird to me that a college player would really feel in a position to ask for promises in terms of playing time? I mean, unless you're a really top prospect, like Celebrini and Smith and guys who are picked right at the top of the draft and so on. It seems more likely to me that a guy like McGroarty's ask would be more along the lines of "well, if I'm going to leave college after just 2 years, why should I do it just to play in the AHL", which isn't at all an uncommon position for NCAA players to take?

The Jets have his rights until August 2026, there doesn't seem to be any big rush here. If they want to try to sign McGroarty after his junior NCAA season ends next year, the typical route is yeah, sign him, he plays a game or two at the end of the season, burns an ELC year, and then is on the normal path to earning a spot that everybody is on after that. So I'm not really sure why it has suddenly become any big deal that a college prospect doesn't want to sign in the off-season after his sophomore year?

My understanding is McGroarty is it is the AHL issue more than anything. He wants to go straight to the NHL and the Jets like us have a general philosophy of everyone plays in the AHL no matter what. In general, I think the ability of players to make as much if not more money playing college hockey than in the AHL is going to be really interesting.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

My understanding is McGroarty is it is the AHL issue more than anything. He wants to go straight to the NHL and the Jets like us have a general philosophy of everyone plays in the AHL no matter what. In general, I think the ability of players to make as much if not more money playing college hockey than in the AHL is going to be really interesting.

Maybe I need to read the sources more, because it sounds to me like something taken a little out of context. I don't think any team in the NHL is going to automatically grant a prospect at McGroarty's level an NHL spot as a guarantee, not even rebuilding teams, and I don't see why he or his agent would expect that either. It seems more like a writer misunderstanding the context?

 

[triggrman]

It seems weird to me that a college player would really feel in a position to ask for promises in terms of playing time? I mean, unless you're a really top prospect, like Celebrini and Smith and guys who are picked right at the top of the draft and so on. It seems more likely to me that a guy like McGroarty's ask would be more along the lines of "well, if I'm going to leave college after just 2 years, why should I do it just to play in the AHL", which isn't at all an uncommon position for NCAA players to take?

The Jets have his rights until August 2026, there doesn't seem to be any big rush here. If they want to try to sign McGroarty after his junior NCAA season ends next year, the typical route is yeah, sign him, he plays a game or two at the end of the season, burns an ELC year, and then is on the normal path to earning a spot that everybody is on after that. So I'm not really sure why it has suddenly become any big deal that a college prospect doesn't want to sign in the off-season after his sophomore year?

Vessey did just that.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Vessey did just that.

Vesey played out his full 4 years in College and won the Hobey Baker award. He didn't leave after his sophomore year.

 

[herzausstein]

McGroarty still has 2 more seasons in the NCAA. If i were him and a team wanted me to leave the college route, id want guarantees of playing in the NHL. Otherwise, id happily stay the college route and get an education to fall back on. Honestly doesnt seem unreasonable.

He will be 22 when he graduates which seems like a good age/year to jump to the NHL. So i wouldnt have any quarrels with granting him NHL then. It is the around the age many players transition anyways and he looks to be an extremely good player who could probably transition earlier.

 

[Armourboy]

Maybe I need to read the sources more, because it sounds to me like something taken a little out of context. I don't think any team in the NHL is going to automatically grant a prospect at McGroarty's level an NHL spot as a guarantee, not even rebuilding teams, and I don't see why he or his agent would expect that either. It seems more like a writer misunderstanding the context?

I just think people are trying to make more of it than it is. My guess is the statement was he wasn't going to leave college just to go to the AHL, so if they want him to sign and leave college early then it's for the NHL, not the minors.

Like I said in the other thread, NHL GM's are going to need to adjust, kids have options today and they don't mind using them.

 

[Predsanddead24]

Predators' Barry Trotz unlikely to trade goaltenders Juuse Saros or Yaroslav Askarov at NHL Draft

Nashville Predators' general manager Barry Trotz told the Tennessean he's unlikely to trade goaltenders Juuse Saros or Yaroslav Askarov this weekend.

www.tennessean.com

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Predators' Barry Trotz unlikely to trade goaltenders Juuse Saros or Yaroslav Askarov at NHL Draft

Nashville Predators' general manager Barry Trotz told the Tennessean he's unlikely to trade goaltenders Juuse Saros or Yaroslav Askarov this weekend.

www.tennessean.com

What a surprise!

Now if those reporters can just re-calibrate themselves on the $$$, we'll be all set. Getting there.

 

[predhead1]

Predators' Barry Trotz unlikely to trade goaltenders Juuse Saros or Yaroslav Askarov at NHL Draft

Nashville Predators' general manager Barry Trotz told the Tennessean he's unlikely to trade goaltenders Juuse Saros or Yaroslav Askarov this weekend.

www.tennessean.com

The news on Saros isn't surprising given the returns for Markstrom and Ullmark. We just can't get the value we need in order to justify losing Saros. I think Askarov is the more likely trade piece, but getting parties to align their assessments of the value of a high-end goalie prospect isn't easy.

 

[herzausstein]

Just dont sign a stupid contract and i can accept whatever else happens. I can even accept saros as an own rental given the return ullmark got. Anything but a regrettable contract

 

[Top 6 Spaling]

Predators' Barry Trotz unlikely to trade goaltenders Juuse Saros or Yaroslav Askarov at NHL Draft

Nashville Predators' general manager Barry Trotz told the Tennessean he's unlikely to trade goaltenders Juuse Saros or Yaroslav Askarov this weekend.

www.tennessean.com

If this isn't a smoke screen, good bye Lankinen. He was really solid here, will miss him, but we aren't bringing all three back.

 

[Predsanddead24]

If this isn't a smoke screen, good bye Lankinen. He was really solid here, will miss him, but we aren't bringing all three back.

We will probably need to bring in another goalie but yeah I suspect Lankinen will want to go somewhere where he is at least solidly the backup and likely more of a tandem.

 

[Armourboy]

Just dont sign a stupid contract and i can accept whatever else happens. I can even accept saros as an own rental given the return ullmark got. Anything but a regrettable contract

That's where I am at this point. Screw a return, just don't sign him to 6+ years and I'll be happy.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

We will probably need to bring in another goalie but yeah I suspect Lankinen will want to go somewhere where he is at least solidly the backup and likely more of a tandem.

We will definitely need to bring in another goalie either way... right now we really only have #1 Saros and #2 or #3 Askarov. Grosenick might come back as #4, Haider is probably #5 in Atlanta. We either need a #2 in Nashville if Askarov gets sent back, or we need a strong #3 to be the starter in Milwaukee and on call in case Askarov falters. Either way, we need another goalie.

There aren't very many backup/tandem gigs open around the league, however, so Lankinen may not have much luck finding a job elsewhere.

 

[ShagDaddy]

Predators' Barry Trotz unlikely to trade goaltenders Juuse Saros or Yaroslav Askarov at NHL Draft

Nashville Predators' general manager Barry Trotz told the Tennessean he's unlikely to trade goaltenders Juuse Saros or Yaroslav Askarov this weekend.

www.tennessean.com

 

[PredsV82]

That's where I am at this point. Screw a return, just don't sign him to 6+ years and I'll be happy.

Prepare to be disappointed

 

[Armourboy]

Prepare to be disappointed

Oh I am, I full expect him to give him 8 x 8 and trade Askarov for peanuts 3 years down the road when he demands the starting job and a bigger contract.

 

[triggrman]

We will probably need to bring in another goalie but yeah I suspect Lankinen will want to go somewhere where he is at least solidly the backup and likely more of a tandem.

I agree. I don’t see any team sighin as a starter though

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Oh I am, I full expect him to give him 8 x 8 and trade Askarov for peanuts 3 years down the road when he demands the starting job and a bigger contract.

If Askarov is ever in a position to demand a starting job… that’ll be a nice day for us… and he won’t get traded for peanuts.

 

[Armourboy]

If Askarov is ever in a position to demand a starting job… that’ll be a nice day for us… and he won’t get traded for peanuts.

Keep on believing, ain't a goalie yet brought anything good.