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Maccelli, Lamoureaux and a 2nd for Rakell is an interesting one to think about. On paper I think Maccelli's value is in the gutter right now, but the real chunk of that value is Lamoureaux and a 2nd. I think that's probably as value or more valuable than Greentree and a 2nd, which I said I would be pretty content with. Maccelli is also known to be available and Utah has both the prospect depth and NHL RD depth to be able to afford to trade Lamoureaux.

I think I would ultimately pull the trigger on that, yeah. If they make the 2nd a 1st, it's an easy yes, but I think I'd do that with a 2025 2nd.
 
SEALBound said:
The rumors about Boeser are really tough to judge in my opinion because we don't really know what the baseline is.

Like, are team balking at a price tag of 1st + 2nd + prospect for Boeser @ 50% or are they balking at 2nd+4th prices?

Same with Rakell. What are "sky high prices" for him? 1st + 3rd? Or 1st + Clarke (from LA for example).

It would be nice if there was a "one offer for him is x, y, and z" to help us gauge what the market is. I imagine Bjorkstrand and Gourde are going for essentially a 1st each, that is the price tag for Rakell. Probably 1st plus decent prospect or young player + 2nd. The sky high is the addition of a 2nd or upgrading the pick to premium prospect.
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Edit: Missed Emps post.

He's missing that 3rd piece. Top player and top tier prospect"s"
Empoleon8771 said:


So a couple of options from teams I've seen rumored:

-LA: Clarke/Turcotte and Greentree
-Utah: Hayton and Lamoureux (wouldn't mind Maccelli as a throw-in but not as one of the main pieces)
-Columbus: Sillinger and Del Bel Belluz
-Winnipeg: Perfetti and Lambert/Yager, which they'd never do but I think I'm overrating Perfetti

The LA package is the best IMO (in terms of deals that are actually somewhat reasonable) but that Utah package is interesting. Hayton isn't exactly super young anymore, he's turning 25 after the year, but he's really developed into a good middle-6 center. Utah also has Josh Doan as a piece they could dangle, but I'd prefer Hayton and Lamoureux to him.

I think the Penguins are adding in this, but something like Maccelli, Hayton and Lamoureux for Rakell as a base is interesting to discuss. Lamoureux is the jewel of that trade, a 6'7" smooth skating 2-way RHD with top-4 potential, but Maccelli and Hayton should be good and young middle-6 guys now and going forward.
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Base I would say is player for cap reasons, 1st and two NHL ready prospects.

I mean, the standard roster player, 1st and b-level prospect doesn't equate to the term "blown away."

Rakell is a upper 20s to 30's goal scorer with 3 years term at 5.0 in a rising cap market.

You have to beat that in order for them to let him go.

LA: Moore, 1st 2025, Clarke and Turcotte is blowing them away.

It can be any two of their prospects>>>>Clarke, Laferriere, Turcotte, Spence

Why ask for 1sts if you can get NHL ready players?

Now that is also with more going back the other way with Rakell, but the price is steep.
 
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sovietsanta87 said:
Why is Utah aggressively buying?
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1. They're very deep in their prospect pool.
2. They want to take the next step from being in a perpetual rebuild into actually contending.
3. They've been linked to Rakell by Johnston as interested in him, and they need a scoring top-6 winger.

At some point, you gotta put your chips in, especially with Keller getting older.
 
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Ugene Magic said:
Base I would say is player for cap reasons, 1st and two NHL ready prospects.

I mean, the standard roster player, 1st and b-level prospect doesn't equate to the term "blown away."

Rakell is a upper 20s to 30's goal scorer with 3 years term at 5.0 in a rising cap market.

You have to beat that in order for them to let him go.

LA: Moore, 1st 2025, Clarke and Turcotte is blowing them away.

It can be any two of their prospects>>>>Clarke, Laferriere, Turcotte, Spence

Why ask for 1sts if you can get NHL ready players?

Now that is also with more going back the other way with Rakell, but the price is steep.
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I mean, I think that's what Dubas is doing. The key is that the GM has to balance what they are willing to give up vs what Rakell provides. I don't think it makes sense for a team to give up a productive, young NHL player for a productive old NHL player while giving up a top prospect to do it. Presumably, you need those assets for the playoffs.

I would bet that if Dubas was willing to do a futures package like 1st + 3rd + b prospect, he'd be gone already.

sovietsanta87 said:
Why is Utah aggressively buying?
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Utah ain't Arizona.

Their new owner wants to win. Wouldn't surprise me to see a big FA splash to complement their current roster.
 
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pensfan71 said:
Ryan Smith.
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Also this. He didn't pay the money he did to buy the team and relocate them to Utah to just continue losing.

They have some injuries right now, but their top-9 in their last game was:

Keller-Cooley-Schmaltz
Kerfoot-Hayton-Guenther
Crouse-McBain-Doan

I see a very obvious spot for Rakell to slide into in that top-6. Bump Kerfoot to L3 and make L2 Rakell-Hayton-Guenther.
 
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Empoleon8771 said:
Also this. He didn't pay the money he did to buy the team and relocate them to Utah to just continue losing.

They have some injuries right now, but their top-9 in their last game was:

Keller-Cooley-Schmaltz
Kerfoot-Hayton-Guenther
Crouse-McBain-Doan

I see a very obvious spot for Rakell to slide into in that top-6. Bump Kerfoot to L3 and make L2 Rakell-Hayton-Guenther.
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I think that line would be sick. Guenther is highly underrated in this league. They have Iginla, But, and Simashev coming up soon. I imagine Iginla will have an instant impact. If the other two pan out relative to their draft pedigree, Utah could get good. Especially if they land a big FA as well.
 
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I also want to emphasize how little a Maccelli, Lamoureux and a 2nd package hurts Utah in the long run. Maccelli has really struggled this year and is sitting as a healthy scratch at this point, so they're not even subtracting anything off the roster by moving him. Lamoureux is a top RHD prospect, I'd argue he's a better version of Brunicke, but he's not even the top D prospect in that poll (Simashev is) and Utah has a stacked RD group going forward with Durzi, Kesselring and Marino all cost controlled for at least 2 years beyond this year. They just don't need him.

Their lineup with Rakell would probably be something like:

Keller-Cooley-Schmaltz
Rakell-Hayton-Guenther
Crouse-Kerfoot-Doan
McBain-Stenlund-Carcone

Sergachev-Marino
Cole-Kesselring
Maatta-Durzi

Vejmelka-Ingram

That team is in a prime spot to make noise both now and especially going forward IMO. They're really set up well now that they have a good ownership behind them, they just need a few more pieces to really take that next jump.
 
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