Speculation: Trade Deadline March 1st 3 PM ET - Bruins buyers or sellers?

[Lobster57]

Sorry, but calling David Backes a 4th liner is beyond asinine.

he's looked closer to a 4th liner than a 1st liner for a lot of this season.

 

[BRUINS since 1995]

Thats unrealistic.

And fwiw, I have zero issue with the top line staying when the dust clears. They bring it. Even when they're not altogether.

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I have no issue either wit the first line.
I m one of the 2 posters that is buyer and not seller.

What i'm saying is: if you want to sell, you need to move on from this core, including Marchand and Bergeron. Why: time frame, keep Carlo and Pastrnak. that's it. Atleast Bruin Dust is logical in his way, he is a seller.

 

[duffy]

You really think Miller and McQuaid have "no value" in a trade?

Sure, you're not going to get 1st line players, 1st round picks, or blue chip prospects, but you could get a 3rd or a 4th for either defensemen easily. Hell, Russell,Polak, and Liles got much more than mid round picks and they're worse defensemen.

Russell, Polak, and Liles are all better Dmen than McQ and Miller and it's not even close!
Now if you had said that all Dmen mentioned above are basically useless I'd have to agree.

 

[BRUINS since 1995]

Sell.... but do it smartly.

How? Doing smartly means what?

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

Hindsight is such a wonderful thing, isn't it?

At the time of, most of the big name moves were highly criticized. Hindsight would imply the opinion was vastly different at the time.

Seguin trade: Don't recall people being overly happy with the trade/return. People really questioned management.

Moving Boychuk, waited and waited for him to be replaced...

Then moved Hamilton... waited for both him and Boychuk to be replaced (and to be honest, still are)

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

Bruins should be sellers, but they've got crap to sell.

With apologies to Megadeth: Bruins sell, but who's buying?

Thanks for the Megadeth reference. I appreciate it.

 

[BRUINS since 1995]

I think if you switched Krecji and Bergeron he'd be just as effective. Bergeron get to play with high quality players and Krecji is playing with 4th liners. It's effecting his offensive and defensive numbers substantially. I think if Boston put some talent around him he would be much better in all areas

This post is not a shot at Bergeron at all love the guy.

Backes signing was the worst thing I have seen as Sweeney dumped so much money in the wrong area and it has effected his line up. Spooner has 0 confidence this year since being moved to wing. Krecji has nobody to play with.

I disagree on this post.
I really beleive DK is getting to much shot on this board, and I do think he is a really good player without the caliber winger he desserved.

But Bergeron is on another level, versatile, PK, work on the board, physicality, faceoff and in defensive presence zone. Bergeron is a line up stabilisator player. On the O zone I agree, and DK is a softer (better) passer than PB. That's it.

Both on the market, you'll see which one will bring the best return and for me, their's no competition.

I am on board with getting Backes on the third line (centering), and try to get some fit on the second with DK who definitly needs help.

Maybe a swith of 88 on DK line with another LW, and find anybody on the RW for PB and Marchand?

 

[Midship]

We are sellers now, shouldn't even be debated.

This. There is no discussion to be had as far as I'm concerned.

But would I be shocked if they ended up being buyers? Nope. The competency of the FO is a massive question mark.

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

Bruins should be sellers, but they've got crap to sell.

With apologies to Megadeth: Bruins sell, but who's buying?

I photoshopped it for you. And changed it a little.

 

[BRUINS since 1995]

I photoshopped it for you. And changed it a little.

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Nice. Great work

 

[bb_fan]

Like to keep C.Miller, Krug, Carlo, Vatrano, Bergeron, pasta, Marchand, Czarnik and Rask. Rest can go

Half that list can go....





If there were competent replacements.


They should have sold last year.

 

[BruinDust]

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I have no issue either wit the first line.
I m one of the 2 posters that is buyer and not seller.

What i'm saying is: if you want to sell, you need to move on from this core, including Marchand and Bergeron. Why: time frame, keep Carlo and Pastrnak. that's it. Atleast Bruin Dust is logical in his way, he is a seller.

I said there were two untouchables. Pastrnak and Rask

But I don't think moving on from this core group is at all realistic.

Bergeron - Moving him is franchise altering. Someone has to helped lead the next wave. He's your captain in likely 18 months from now. Return would be huge.

Marchand - Not getting traded when he just signed an 8-year extension 5 months ago. Although I think the return could be massive.

Backes - Not getting traded after signing a 5-year deal as a big ticket July 1st UFA. Maybe next year this time but not now.

Chara - He's a Bruin as long as he wants to be. If wants to finish it out here, he'll get that.

Krug, Vatrano, Colin, and Carlo are part of the solution, not part of the problem IMO.

So that leaves

Krejci
Belesky
Spooner
Nash
Czarnik
Schaller
Moore
Hayes

McQuaid
Kevan
Liles
Morrow

I won't include goaltenders because Khudobin and Subban have no value at all, and McIntyre still shows promise.

Liles - sell for whatever at the deadline. Recoup a draft pick.

Morrow - trade him if you can find value, if not, keep him for depth. No pressure there. Minimal value.

Kevan and McQuaid - Trade one at the deadline if you can find a buyer, keep the other for the expansion criteria

Czarnik - Not sold on him as an NHL player yet. I don't know if he's a center, winger, both, or none. But like Morrow, you need depth, there is no pressure to move him. If someone offers value then fine. Expansion exempt as well.

Moore - Move him at the deadline for a pick, if Vern Fiddler can get a 4th so can Moore. You might even squeeze a 3rd out from the right team.

Now here's where it gets stickier with Expansion.

Assuming Bergeron, Marchand, Pastrnak, and Backes are going nowhere, you still need 5 more expansion eligible forwards, 3 to protect and 2 to expose.

Assume Schaller gets 4 more games, gets qualified, and meets the criteria.

So you need to keep 5 forwards out of these 6.

Krejci
Spooner
Nash
Hayes
Schaller
Belesky

So you can only move one out without an expansion eligble forward coming back or another deal to acquire one.

Krejci - Would he waive his NMC? I have no idea. The return would likely be a young player + prospect + pick. I would put money on him going nowhere, at least until his NMC converts to a modified NTC.

Belesky - Good luck finding someone to take on that contract with the season he had.

Schaller - Minimal value. 4th line/13th forward depth.

Hayes - Would clear waivers. Only chance they have to move him is take back a bad contract

Nash - Might net a 4th or 5th rd. pick. Signed for one more year at a good number of 900k. Good face-off guy, 4th line center on a contender.

Spooner - I have no idea what his value is. There are teams who like him I am sure. How much they like him is the question. I don't like the looks of his long-term future in Boston. He's a square peg in a round hole. Their best bet is a swap of one underachieving young player for their own in Spooner.

To summerize, with expansion, I don't expect anything franchise-altering to happen at the deadline unless Sweeney loses his marbles and goes shopping for help.

I'd say recouping some 3rd/4th/5th round draft picks is about the best we can hope for. Clear out a few roster spots and see what some of the Providence guys like O'Gara, Cehlarik, etc. can do so you have a better feel for what to expect from them next season and help with off-season planning.

 

[BruinDust]

I photoshopped it for you. And changed it a little.

Well done.

 

[Ratty]

Good, reasonable evaluation of our trade options.

The only thing I would say regarding Chara, is that I doubt he will stay for as long as he wants.

When his contract terminates he will be 41. Playing at a diminishing skills level, I would hope the FO would decline any request for an extension.

 

[BRUINS since 1995]

I said there were two untouchables. Pastrnak and Rask

But I don't think moving on from this core group is at all realistic.

Bergeron - Moving him is franchise altering. Someone has to helped lead the next wave. He's your captain in likely 18 months from now. Return would be huge.

Marchand - Not getting traded when he just signed an 8-year extension 5 months ago. Although I think the return could be massive.

Backes - Not getting traded after signing a 5-year deal as a big ticket July 1st UFA. Maybe next year this time but not now.

Chara - He's a Bruin as long as he wants to be. If wants to finish it out here, he'll get that.

Krug, Vatrano, Colin, and Carlo are part of the solution, not part of the problem IMO.

So that leaves

Krejci
Belesky
Spooner
Nash
Czarnik
Schaller
Moore
Hayes

McQuaid
Kevan
Liles
Morrow

I won't include goaltenders because Khudobin and Subban have no value at all, and McIntyre still shows promise.

Liles - sell for whatever at the deadline. Recoup a draft pick.

Morrow - trade him if you can find value, if not, keep him for depth. No pressure there. Minimal value.

Kevan and McQuaid - Trade one at the deadline if you can find a buyer, keep the other for the expansion criteria

Czarnik - Not sold on him as an NHL player yet. I don't know if he's a center, winger, both, or none. But like Morrow, you need depth, there is no pressure to move him. If someone offers value then fine. Expansion exempt as well.

Moore - Move him at the deadline for a pick, if Vern Fiddler can get a 4th so can Moore. You might even squeeze a 3rd out from the right team.

Now here's where it gets stickier with Expansion.

Assuming Bergeron, Marchand, Pastrnak, and Backes are going nowhere, you still need 5 more expansion eligible forwards, 3 to protect and 2 to expose.

Assume Schaller gets 4 more games, gets qualified, and meets the criteria.

So you need to keep 5 forwards out of these 6.

Krejci
Spooner
Nash
Hayes
Schaller
Belesky

So you can only move one out without an expansion eligble forward coming back or another deal to acquire one.

Krejci - Would he waive his NMC? I have no idea. The return would likely be a young player + prospect + pick. I would put money on him going nowhere, at least until his NMC converts to a modified NTC.

Belesky - Good luck finding someone to take on that contract with the season he had.

Schaller - Minimal value. 4th line/13th forward depth.

Hayes - Would clear waivers. Only chance they have to move him is take back a bad contract

Nash - Might net a 4th or 5th rd. pick. Signed for one more year at a good number of 900k. Good face-off guy, 4th line center on a contender.

Spooner - I have no idea what his value is. There are teams who like him I am sure. How much they like him is the question. I don't like the looks of his long-term future in Boston. He's a square peg in a round hole. Their best bet is a swap of one underachieving young player for their own in Spooner.

To summerize, with expansion, I don't expect anything franchise-altering to happen at the deadline unless Sweeney loses his marbles and goes shopping for help.

I'd say recouping some 3rd/4th/5th round draft picks is about the best we can hope for. Clear out a few roster spots and see what some of the Providence guys like O'Gara, Cehlarik, etc. can do so you have a better feel for what to expect from them next season and help with off-season planning.

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Your saying exactly what I think.... Bruins are in no shape to be sellers.... Top guns going nowhere (Bergeron, Marchand), Carlo and Pastrnak going nowhere... leaves you with NTC, NMC, and dead wood.

That is my position. Selling what and who's the buyers wiothout puttig in prospects. I say Go all in.

But my only issue is: we don't have a Belicheck type nor a Sam Pollock type upstairs in management office. Do they have what is needed upstairs to pull the right trigger and finally be on the bright side of a ****in trade!

 

[BruinDust]

Good, reasonable evaluation of our trade options.

The only thing I would say regarding Chara, is that I doubt he will stay for as long as he wants.

When his contract terminates he will be 41. Playing at a diminishing skills level, I would hope the FO would decline any request for an extension.

True, I probably should of stated as long as he's under contract.

 

[BruinDust]

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Your saying exactly what I think.... Bruins are in no shape to be sellers.... Top guns going nowhere (Bergeron, Marchand), Carlo and Pastrnak going nowhere... leaves you with NTC, NMC, and dead wood.

That is my position. Selling what and who's the buyers wiothout puttig in prospects. I say Go all in.

But my only issue is: we don't have a Belicheck type nor a Sam Pollock type upstairs in management office. Do they have what is needed upstairs to pull the right trigger and finally be on the bright side of a ****in trade!

No I don't think so.

 

[BRUINS since 1995]

No I don't think so.

That is also how I feel. Sad.

 

[Gordoff]

Where's all the 'deep run' jokes at

In Buffalo.

One of the first things Charlie did as CEO was replace the Zamboni's with units from this company.

http://www.resurfice.com/

The quality of the ice at TD Garden has gotten worse with these machines.

Smooth move Chaahlee, IIRC everyone else was getting rid of them ASAP and he orders them.

How? Doing smartly means what?

NOT pulling another Seguin type trade.

At the time of, most of the big name moves were highly criticized. Hindsight would imply the opinion was vastly different at the time.

Seguin trade: Don't recall people being overly happy with the trade/return. People really questioned management.

Moving Boychuk, waited and waited for him to be replaced...

Then moved Hamilton... waited for both him and Boychuk to be replaced (and to be honest, still are)

and still are, and STILL are........

 

[smithformeragent]

I photoshopped it for you. And changed it a little.

Look at me I'm general manager.
We're out of cap jail, aren't we?

Look at me, I don't make the playoffs.
I go on NESN when I have to.

Look at me I should be the president
Of the Boston Bruins

Tell me something, the sellout streak is still active, right?

 

[Mpasta]

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I have no issue either wit the first line.
I m one of the 2 posters that is buyer and not seller.

What i'm saying is: if you want to sell, you need to move on from this core, including Marchand and Bergeron. Why: time frame, keep Carlo and Pastrnak. that's it. Atleast Bruin Dust is logical in his way, he is a seller.

Getting rid of the whole team minus 2 players is logical now? When has something like this ever happened?

 

[Fenway]

Tell me something, the sellout streak is still active, right?

They are still maintaining that charade.

 

[BRUINS since 1995]

Getting rid of the whole team minus 2 players is logical now? When has something like this ever happened?

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I can't say.

My point is: if you want to rebuild you need to target a time planning and if it is in 2-3 or 5 years, you need to take decision accordingly to your target.

If your seller, you sell! If you want to sell only your dead wood, you need the someone (team) interested in your dead wood! If you beleive selling dead wood or NTC, NMC players will bring great return after seeing the Seguin, Thornton etc.. deal return, you are not on a selling process... your at disney land!

Sellling needs to give up players that will bring the return your seaching and if that is in 4-5 years, Marchand and Bergeron and all players should be on the market for the exception of the 2 I pointed out.

Now my POV os, be buyers, hopefully this management capable of doing something good. And they need to be active now!

 

[SPLBRUIN]

I said there were two untouchables. Pastrnak and Rask

But I don't think moving on from this core group is at all realistic.

Bergeron - Moving him is franchise altering. Someone has to helped lead the next wave. He's your captain in likely 18 months from now. Return would be huge.

Marchand - Not getting traded when he just signed an 8-year extension 5 months ago. Although I think the return could be massive.

Backes - Not getting traded after signing a 5-year deal as a big ticket July 1st UFA. Maybe next year this time but not now.

Chara - He's a Bruin as long as he wants to be. If wants to finish it out here, he'll get that.

Krug, Vatrano, Colin, and Carlo are part of the solution, not part of the problem IMO.

So that leaves

Krejci
Belesky
Spooner
Nash
Czarnik
Schaller
Moore
Hayes

McQuaid
Kevan
Liles
Morrow

I won't include goaltenders because Khudobin and Subban have no value at all, and McIntyre still shows promise.

Liles - sell for whatever at the deadline. Recoup a draft pick.

Morrow - trade him if you can find value, if not, keep him for depth. No pressure there. Minimal value.

Kevan and McQuaid - Trade one at the deadline if you can find a buyer, keep the other for the expansion criteria

Czarnik - Not sold on him as an NHL player yet. I don't know if he's a center, winger, both, or none. But like Morrow, you need depth, there is no pressure to move him. If someone offers value then fine. Expansion exempt as well.

Moore - Move him at the deadline for a pick, if Vern Fiddler can get a 4th so can Moore. You might even squeeze a 3rd out from the right team.

Now here's where it gets stickier with Expansion.

Assuming Bergeron, Marchand, Pastrnak, and Backes are going nowhere, you still need 5 more expansion eligible forwards, 3 to protect and 2 to expose.

Assume Schaller gets 4 more games, gets qualified, and meets the criteria.

So you need to keep 5 forwards out of these 6.

Krejci
Spooner
Nash
Hayes
Schaller
Belesky

So you can only move one out without an expansion eligble forward coming back or another deal to acquire one.

Krejci - Would he waive his NMC? I have no idea. The return would likely be a young player + prospect + pick. I would put money on him going nowhere, at least until his NMC converts to a modified NTC.

Belesky - Good luck finding someone to take on that contract with the season he had.

Schaller - Minimal value. 4th line/13th forward depth.

Hayes - Would clear waivers. Only chance they have to move him is take back a bad contract

Nash - Might net a 4th or 5th rd. pick. Signed for one more year at a good number of 900k. Good face-off guy, 4th line center on a contender.

Spooner - I have no idea what his value is. There are teams who like him I am sure. How much they like him is the question. I don't like the looks of his long-term future in Boston. He's a square peg in a round hole. Their best bet is a swap of one underachieving young player for their own in Spooner.

To summerize, with expansion, I don't expect anything franchise-altering to happen at the deadline unless Sweeney loses his marbles and goes shopping for help.

I'd say recouping some 3rd/4th/5th round draft picks is about the best we can hope for. Clear out a few roster spots and see what some of the Providence guys like O'Gara, Cehlarik, etc. can do so you have a better feel for what to expect from them next season and help with off-season planning.

I keep repeating myself but no way Spooner should get dealt now. We need to see how he will perform under a new coach, and we all know that will be happening once the season ends and the B's miss the playoffs again. We have traded too many young talented player's simply because they could not conform to Julien's rigid offensive structure.

 

[BRUINS since 1995]

I keep repeating myself but no way Spooner should get dealt now. We need to see how he will perform under a new coach, and we all know that will be happening once the season ends and the B's miss the playoffs again. We have traded too many young talented player's simply because they could not conform to Julien's rigid defensive structure.

Corrected the bold part.

On the other side, Spooner needs more consistancy and get his nose dirty to be part of a top 6 on an NHL level.