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Trade and Free Agency - 2024-25

ThatGuy22 said:
I think you're discounting his injury history and what leverage that gives the Wild. He's battled injuries three seasons in a row, he'd be taking a huge risk going into 2026 without that 8 year extension locked into place. What would a 4th season with significant injuries do to his market value and a teams willingness to go long term.

I think it'll even out in the 13-14m range.
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The flip side of that would be if the injuries are bringing down his pay don't sign anything this off-season and try to be healthy next season and get better pay. It's a risk, but it might be a risk worth taking to the player.
 
Wabit said:
The flip side of that would be if the injuries are bringing down his pay don't sign anything this off-season and try to be healthy next season and get better pay. It's a risk, but it might be a risk worth taking to the player.
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Much more risk playing with out the contract long term. Talking losing 4 to 8 million over 8 years, vs no team willing to lock in a long term deal at all. Or even in worst case scenario a career ending injury.

He's not gonna turn down a 110+ million guaranteed and take that risk. They just gotta find the right number.
 
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I think Shane Pinto is a rockstar. Sens added Cozens who is also playing down the middle. I wonder if they would do Pinto for Rossi. I would love that.
 
DemidovSaveUs said:
I think Shane Pinto is a rockstar. Sens added Cozens who is also playing down the middle. I wonder if they would do Pinto for Rossi. I would love that.
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ooof. Guy will be 25 yo next Nov, and has never scored more than 35 points in a season? Oof.
Guerin would love the cap hit, but otherwise, i don't get it. We need an offensive C. Pinto is a 3rd line C right now. We've got those. This like the Colin White fascination that some on this board had years ago.

I'm wondering if SEA would consider trading Beniers for Rossi. Benier's past two seasons haven't been great, but he's two years younger than Pinto, has decent size, is a great skater, and has more potential than Pinto.
 
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57special said:
ooof. Guy will be 25 yo next Nov, and has never scored more than 35 points in a season? Oof.
Guerin would love the cap hit, but otherwise, i don't get it. We need an offensive C. Pinto is a 3rd line C right now. We've got those. This like the Colin White fascination that some on this board had years ago.

I'm wondering if SEA would consider trading Beniers for Rossi. Benier's past two seasons haven't been great, but he's two years younger than Pinto, has decent size, is a great skater, and has more potential than Pinto.
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Would jump on Beniers forsure. I don’t think people give Pinto credit for how good he was. If he was playing first line here all season like Rossi people would be tripping over themselves to sign him.
 
DemidovSaveUs said:
Would jump on Beniers forsure. I don’t think people give Pinto credit for how good he was. If he was playing first line here all season like Rossi people would be tripping over themselves to sign him.
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Think we're forgetting how good Rossi was until March. If he really is dealing with a couple injuries right now, I'm not moving him at all.
 
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AKL said:
Think we're forgetting how good Rossi was until March. If he really is dealing with a couple injuries right now, I'm not moving him at all.
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Right but I’m operating under the assumption that 1. He’s going to get traded and 2. Wild fans overvalue him.

The second assumption may not be correct, but I’m trying to temper my expectations. I think it’s unlikely we add to him to get a legit 1C (e.g. Barzal). A literal trade likely would have to be for a winger. I’m generally ok with Rossi for Peterka or Konecny, but I’m not sure those teams do it. Pinto for me is just one of my favorite players to watch. In fact the senators have a few of my player crushes. I think Pinto is an awesome player and I think Sanderson is a top 10 defenseman in the NHL.
 
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DemidovSaveUs said:
Right but I’m operating under the assumption that 1. He’s going to get traded and 2. Wild fans overvalue him.

The second assumption may not be correct, but I’m trying to temper my expectations. I think it’s unlikely we add to him to get a legit 1C (e.g. Barzal). A literal trade likely would have to be for a winger. I’m generally ok with Rossi for Peterka or Konecny, but I’m not sure those teams do it. Pinto for me is just one of my favorite players to watch. In fact the senators have a few of my player crushes. I think Pinto is an awesome player and I think Sanderson is a top 10 defenseman in the NHL.
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The second assumption is absolutely correct, but it still doesn't make sense to trade him for a worse player. They don't need 3rd line centers, they need a 1st line center, and if they can't find a trade for that and package Rossi into it, it just makes more sense to have two 2nd line centers than two 3rd line centers.

But Guerin might agree with you, my opinion doesn't matter at all.
 
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More I think about it, more I like the idea of sending out one of Brodin/Spurgeon. Brodin would bring back a lot more, but I like his versatility and age more.

I just think the Faber/Buium/Jiricek group would be well served to be surrounded by big bodies.

I’d overpay to get someone like Vlasic
 
BagHead said:
The second assumption is absolutely correct, but it still doesn't make sense to trade him for a worse player. They don't need 3rd line centers, they need a 1st line center, and if they can't find a trade for that and package Rossi into it, it just makes more sense to have two 2nd line centers than two 3rd line centers.

But Guerin might agree with you, my opinion doesn't matter at all.
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I don’t think Pinto is a worse player though. I think if you switched their roles there would be far different discourse about the players.
 
I think Rossi is a good 2c right now and I wouldn’t trade him for a winger unless that winger was Fiala Bratt level. Peterka is good but Rossi probably has a little more value but that also depends on how much each player costs.

I think we really need to know what Yurov is before we trade Rossi so I support a bridge deal for him. Also if we are going to bridge him I want him to get ample time with Kap to keep his stats juicy and value on the high end.
 
DemidovSaveUs said:
I don’t think Pinto is a worse player though. I think if you switched their roles there would be far different discourse about the players.
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BagHead said:
I get that, and I just am not convinced it's true. We just have different opinions on Pinto. For now.
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Way I see it, if Rossi and Kaprizov both stayed healthy the whole season, Rossi would have scored 70+. I'm not sure Pinto has that in him, even playing with Kaprizov, personally.

Would love to somehow have Pinto as the other middle six C with Ek somehow, instead of Brock Nelson.
 
AKL said:
Way I see it, if Rossi and Kaprizov both stayed healthy the whole season, Rossi would have scored 70+. I'm not sure Pinto has that in him, even playing with Kaprizov, personally.

Would love to somehow have Pinto as the other middle six C with Ek somehow, instead of Brock Nelson.
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Kap could drag Rask to 70pt in a full season , he can surely get pinto there.
 
AKL said:
Way I see it, if Rossi and Kaprizov both stayed healthy the whole season, Rossi would have scored 70+. I'm not sure Pinto has that in him, even playing with Kaprizov, personally.

Would love to somehow have Pinto as the other middle six C with Ek somehow, instead of Brock Nelson.
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Ehhh, that’s only if Kap could drag him to a similar rate for the last 1.5 months as compared to his first half. I don’t think 70 is a guarantee. The second half has been where Rossi’s production drops for the last 2 seasons.

If Kap was healthy, Rossi’s power play points (16) would take a decent sized dent too.
 
f7ben said:
I don’t care enough to look back but he was likely only playing 1c like half that season or less?? Also maybe just a little bit of hyperbole there but you get the drift
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Rask's 3 most common even-strength linemates in 20-21 by % of his minutes with them:
Kapriov 57.1%
Zuccarello 51.0%
Fiala 16.3%

Kaprizov's 3 most common even-strength linemates in 20-21 by % of his minutes with them:
Zuccarello 56.7%
Rask 46.3%
Hartman 10.7%

So yeah, he was glued to Kaprizov pretty hard that season. Like, Zuccarello-Kaprizov bromance levels of hard. Kaprizov can make someone higher scoring than they otherwise are, but he can't make just anyone a 70 point player.
 
BagHead said:
Rask's 3 most common even-strength linemates in 20-21 by % of his minutes with them:
Kapriov 57.1%
Zuccarello 51.0%
Fiala 16.3%

Kaprizov's 3 most common even-strength linemates in 20-21 by % of his minutes with them:
Zuccarello 56.7%
Rask 46.3%
Hartman 10.7%

So yeah, he was glued to Kaprizov pretty hard that season. Like, Zuccarello-Kaprizov bromance levels of hard.
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I stand corrected and man that really goes to show how unbelievably bad Rask was.
 
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