Trade and Free Agency - 2024-25
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I think if his starting Minnesota price is 17.5, he doesn't wanna be here and we should trade him asap. I think a reasonable start price for him would be 15, and then it gets worked down to 13.5-14. Minnesota's start price should be 12.5 because he's better than Rantanen. The middle is 13.75, but the "we really need you tax" can push it up to 14.25. Make it 8 years, sign on the dotted line. Ez.
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What’s going to happen is Minnesota is going to throw Rantanen out there and Kaprizov is going to throw Ovechkin out there. Kaprizov doesn’t have to sign here and he knows it. I think they end up working to a number that is higher than Panarin (would be 14.8) because Kaprizov has the better resume. If he wants to be here, it will be at or around 15. If his number to be here is much higher than that, you have to trade him somewhere he wants to be, unfortunately. Just my take.
The cap is rising and Wild gonna need to resign Kap before next offseason. Everything under 15M would surprise me under these circumstances.
I'd rather overpay a rare and elite offensive weapon like Kaprizov by about 3M than overpay 3 grinders for 1M each.
I'd rather overpay a rare and elite offensive weapon like Kaprizov by about 3M than overpay 3 grinders for 1M each.
That’s all great and a decent plan but Guerin liked to hand out these things called nmc/ntc and as it sits Kap can tell you and your plan to get bent and pound sand
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I respect your take always, but if I'm the GM in this instance and Kaprizov brings up Ovechkin, I'm laughing in his face. Kaprizov is a really good player, but he doesn't have the resume to bring up Ovechkin in contract negotiations.
I think there are certain things his agent will do if it's clear he won't sign here for anything short of extortion money, and I think starting at 17.5M and bringing up Ovechkin as a comp are two of them.
I think 15 is the absolute ceiling for what you give him. We'll see what Marner gets this summer and that may change things, but looking at the marketplace as it stands right now, he doesn't have the resume for much more than 12.5M. Bearing in mind Rantanen just signed for 12 and Draisaitl just signed for 14.
I'm coming from the standpoint of, if he's willing to sign here, he'll fall in line with the market.
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I don’t necessarily disagree with anything you said I just think we know how his agent operates at this point. If he hits the market someone will have him Panarin and probably more, if he wants to maximize his money. 15 seems like a fine middle ground for me, even if I wish it was lower.
Weren't you saying like a month or two ago that his start price would be $20M+? lol
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No I was saying theoretically his agent could start at 20 and it wouldn’t suprise me
Still unclear. Does the price start at 20 or 17.5?
If Kaprizov's camp starts at 17.5, the Wild camp starts at 12.5, and they meet in the middle at around 15... I don't see what all the fearmongering is about. Personally, I think Kaprizov will sign for around $14-14.5M for 8 years. He may be looking for long term security after dealing with injury issues two of the last three seasons.
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I think you’re misinterpreting me saying what I think is going to happen as fearmongering that he’s going to ask for 20? Would it suprise me if his agent starts at 20 based on the leverage they have and where the cap is projected to go? no. Do I think they will? No. I think if he wants to be here, they’ll get the number done slightly above the Panarin deal. It’s his last big contract though, if he wants to go somewhere else, why not shoot for the moon and see how desperate MN gets? If the plan is to go elsewhere, what’s the harm in saying his number is 17 and not budging? If Minnesota budges you seriously consider it. If not you move on like the plan always was. Thats where the Wild fans start to get nervous.
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The Kaprizov issue is going to be even more complicated than numbers though. If I’m Guerin, I have to seriously consider what the better route is: A. Sign Kaprizov to 15M+ and try and keep it moving with this core hoping for better health and depth scoring with increased cap space, or B. Take the assets that Kaprizov returns and use the 15M elsewhere. You can do a lot with that.
I tend to lean option A, because if you lose Kaprizov you’re just going to be looking for your next franchise forward. It’s partially why I’m interested in throwing a bag at Marner this summer. Marner + Kaprizov assets is intriguing to me, if he would sign here.
I tend to lean option A, because if you lose Kaprizov you’re just going to be looking for your next franchise forward. It’s partially why I’m interested in throwing a bag at Marner this summer. Marner + Kaprizov assets is intriguing to me, if he would sign here.
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I think Kap genuinely likes it here. Just my impression based solely off his interviews & interactions with teammates.
Lot of people get “comfortable” in their career & can be very adverse to change. I feel like Kap is going to be in that category, especially considering he’s not from the US.
8 years, $14-15M is completely fine with me. We have the cap space for it.
Lot of people get “comfortable” in their career & can be very adverse to change. I feel like Kap is going to be in that category, especially considering he’s not from the US.
8 years, $14-15M is completely fine with me. We have the cap space for it.
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I don’t think he doesn’t like it here, I just understand there’s a chance he may not want to spend his whole career here. Panarin loved Columbus.
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Panarin was traded there though. I think the fact this is where Kap has been his entire career is inportant. It’s just human nature to lean towards familiarity/comfort. Typically why a lot of big name players don’t frequently hit UFA.
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I definitely hope you are right. Certainly possible, just throwing out another possible scenario. I think he stays, I just think it’s going to be spendier than most realize.
If Drai is getting that- ya, he signed before this year, but let's face it, he's a better player with a way better resume- and Rantanen got 12M - and he has a way better resume - then 14M is more than enough. I think it should be 12.5-13M, just because we are desperate.
If he isn't content with that, then he doesn't want to be here. One reason could be that he craves the bright lights, or warm weather and beaches. The other could be that he lacks confidence in the team's prospects.
We can't do anything about the first reason. We can do something about the second, by winning a playoff series for a change.
No, the fearmongering is that it’s going to take some ridiculous number that’s $3M+ more than the highest cap hit in the league to re-sign him.
I think Kaprizov would be willing to sign a long term deal and Minnesota will accommodate to give him one of the highest cap hits in the league. We can offer him an 8th year. If he goes to free agency he can only get 7 and there is some risk if he has another major injury next season that it might hurt his future contract. I can definitely see him locking in this offseason.
Dr Jan Itor
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If you buy into the state tax thing, then you can't use $12M for Rantanen.
I know my Minnesota cost to work/live isn't the same as my Wisconsin/Iowa/North Dakota cost to live/work.
I know my Minnesota cost to work/live isn't the same as my Wisconsin/Iowa/North Dakota cost to live/work.
Spurgeon
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Yeah, MN is on CA/NY levels of bad when it comes to the taxes here for high-income individuals. Without the benefit of being CA or NY.
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I think you're discounting his injury history and what leverage that gives the Wild. He's battled injuries three seasons in a row, he'd be taking a huge risk going into 2026 without that 8 year extension locked into place. What would a 4th season with significant injuries do to his market value and a teams willingness to go long term.
I think it'll even out in the 13-14m range.
