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Trade and Free Agency - 2024-25

A few weeks ago Russo said that Rossis agent and Guerin are far away from a new contract. I can't see why that should have changed now. So I guess Rossi gets traded in the offseason. To be honest, I don't think Rossi should sign a new contract with the wild. There's always gonna be the size issue. And when the whole team is playing bad, he is the first one who recieves a demotion.

Kap needs to decide if he wants to stay in Minnesota or not this summer. If he wants to stay, they gotta pay him big money. If not, they'll have to trade him too.

So the wild could lose Kap & Rossi in one offseason. At the moment that seems to be more likly than resigning both.
 
Luceni said:
A few weeks ago Russo said that Rossis agent and Guerin are far away from a new contract. I can't see why that should have changed now. So I guess Rossi gets traded in the offseason. To be honest, I don't think Rossi should sign a new contract with the wild. There's always gonna be the size issue. And when the whole team is playing bad, he is the first one who recieves a demotion.

Kap needs to decide if he wants to stay in Minnesota or not this summer. If he wants to stay, they gotta pay him big money. If not, they'll have to trade him too.

So the wild could lose Kap & Rossi in one offseason. At the moment that seems to be more likly than resigning both.
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Kap doesn't need to decide anything this off-season. He has a full NMC and can kill any trade if it's not to a team he wants to go to.

If GMBG can't re-sign Kap he needs to gone too.
 
Luceni said:
So the wild could lose Kap & Rossi in one offseason. At the moment that seems to be more likly than resigning both.
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If I had to choose one or the other, it’s Kaprizov every single time. The impact of losing Kaprizov would be catastrophic. We saw it this year. The impact of losing Rossi would be more of a speed bump. He’s not dragging us to wins like Kaprizov does.
 
Luceni said:
A few weeks ago Russo said that Rossis agent and Guerin are far away from a new contract. I can't see why that should have changed now. So I guess Rossi gets traded in the offseason. To be honest, I don't think Rossi should sign a new contract with the wild. There's always gonna be the size issue. And when the whole team is playing bad, he is the first one who recieves a demotion.
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This is such a farce. Separating him from Boldy to try and create a bit more balance isn’t a demotion.

If Rossi wants to get paid like Wyatt Johnston or someone when he’s clearly not that caliber of player, then I hope he’s gone too. He’s a 2nd liner on a contender. You’re asking that he be treated like a franchise player
 
MNRube said:
You’re asking that he be treated like a franchise player
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No. I'm asking that they're finally start trusting a player, who hasn't missed a game in 2 seasons and did nothing but improve in that time span. A guy with Rossis work ethic is a keeper in my book.

I'm sick of hearing "but the size" in every second sentence about Rossis potential. And I'm sick of reading "Rossis agent is asking for too much" in times the cap is gonna rise, when it's clear that Guerin doesn't wanna resign and pay him without a discount because of his size.

And I'm sick of arguing, Guerin has had the chance to negotiate a new contract last season but hesitates to pay the bill for his decision to wait now.
 
thestonedkoala said:
The Martin Hanzal trade was a disaster.
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I have 0 issues with that trade. That was one of the very few seasons MN had a team to go all in with.

Near the top of the league (2nd) in goal scoring, goals allowed (7th), team depth everywhere in the lineup, and a Veznia quality goalie. They just got goalied by a white hot Allen in the Playoffs.
 
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57special said:
Hyperbole much?

We gave up a 2017 1st, 23oa, that turned out to be Pierre Olivier Joseph, and a 2018 2nd round, 55th oa, that turned out to be Kevin Bahl.
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Yes in hindsight drafting local guy Jake Oettinger with that 1st might have worked out but anytime an offensively-inept team can add a second, worse Mikko Koivu to fix that, you do it.

Honestly, not a disaster, but the fun part of this franchise is looking at things that didn't work out, because looking at the things that have doesn't take long.
 
Wabit said:
I have 0 issues with that trade. That was one of the very few seasons MN had a team to go all in with.

Near the top of the league (2nd) in goal scoring, goals allowed (7th), team depth everywhere in the lineup, and a Veznia quality goalie. They just got goalied by a white hot Allen in the Playoffs.
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Saga of the Elk said:
Yes in hindsight drafting local guy Jake Oettinger with that 1st might have worked out but anytime an offensively-inept team can add a second, worse Mikko Koivu to fix that, you do it.

Honestly, not a disaster, but the fun part of this franchise is looking at things that didn't work out, because looking at the things that have doesn't take long.
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Does not compute.
 
Luceni said:
No. I'm asking that they're finally start trusting a player, who hasn't missed a game in 2 seasons and did nothing but improve in that time span. A guy with Rossis work ethic is a keeper in my book.

I'm sick of hearing "but the size" in every second sentence about Rossis potential. And I'm sick of reading "Rossis agent is asking for too much" in times the cap is gonna rise, when it's clear that Guerin doesn't wanna resign and pay him without a discount because of his size.

And I'm sick of arguing, Guerin has had the chance to negotiate a new contract last season but hesitates to pay the bill for his decision to wait now.
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There is 0 reason for Rossi (or any player) to take a contract with a full season left on his current deal unless it's for top tier pay and term. Long term he would/should have been offered something like JEE's pay at best after his rookie season. As an agent the floor for any deal would have been matching Boldy's contract. To offer that it would have been gross mismanamgent by the GM.

It's not even about size at that point. It's the fact that Rossi wasn't anything special when he wasn't on a line with Kap, he didn't PK, was on the garbage PP2 unit, and he didn't finish the season playing well (7p, -7, 17.1 mins aToI in the last 26 games).

Faber got top tier pay last offseason and it would have been hard to improve on that this season. It was more likely than not that he wouldn't improve and his negotiating power would have dropped.
 
MNRube said:
This is such a farce. Separating him from Boldy to try and create a bit more balance isn’t a demotion.

If Rossi wants to get paid like Wyatt Johnston or someone when he’s clearly not that caliber of player, then I hope he’s gone too. He’s a 2nd liner on a contender. You’re asking that he be treated like a franchise player
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It looks like a demotion because Boldy is a better player than Rossi (i.e. his line is perceived as higher).
 
Luceni said:
No. I'm asking that they're finally start trusting a player, who hasn't missed a game in 2 seasons and did nothing but improve in that time span. A guy with Rossis work ethic is a keeper in my book.

I'm sick of hearing "but the size" in every second sentence about Rossis potential. And I'm sick of reading "Rossis agent is asking for too much" in times the cap is gonna rise, when it's clear that Guerin doesn't wanna resign and pay him without a discount because of his size.

And I'm sick of arguing, Guerin has had the chance to negotiate a new contract last season but hesitates to pay the bill for his decision to wait now.
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Rossi l has only averaged 50 pts/82 the last two seasons on a team that is starved for scoring Cs and has two premium scoring Ws. As of now he is a slightly above average 2C. What kind of contract does that level of production merit ?

It’s a tricky negotiation. With Kap’s contract looming and us finally having some cap this summer, it makes some sense to defer it. Especially if Rossi’s agent wants Stutzle or Johnston $ when he’s not that caliber of talent.
 
Dr Jan Itor said:
Does not compute.
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MN was 2nd in the West and and 5th in the league in the standings that season.
 
57special said:
Hyperbole much?

We gave up a 2017 1st, 23oa, that turned out to be Pierre Olivier Joseph, and a 2018 2nd round, 55th oa, that turned out to be Kevin Bahl.
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Huh I thought most fans hated the Hanzel trade. You learn something new every day.

Also the Wild probably wouldn't have drafted Joseph or Bahl as their defense was set. Tolvanen would have been an interesting pick but the 2018 would have been a disaster.
 
thestonedkoala said:
Huh I thought most fans hated the Hanzel trade. You learn something new every day.

Also the Wild probably wouldn't have drafted Joseph or Bahl as their defense was set. Tolvanen would have been an interesting pick but the 2018 would have been a disaster.
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It was a weak draft class and the team was good enough to think a deep run was possible. The team got booted in the first round, so it makes the trade look bad.

There are always going to be the fans that hate any trade that involves draft picks for rentals, because that mystery box might be a boat.
 
thestonedkoala said:
Huh I thought most fans hated the Hanzel trade. You learn something new every day.

Also the Wild probably wouldn't have drafted Joseph or Bahl as their defense was set. Tolvanen would have been an interesting pick but the 2018 would have been a disaster.
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IIRC, Haula was playing well and Hanzal kind of stole his 3C role. That may have disrupted chemistry. I do agree with Wabit, that the idea was solid but it should’ve been done earlier in the year maybe. Hanzal never found a groove here. That was probably the best Wild team on paper in franchise history
 
MNRube said:
IIRC, Haula was playing well and Hanzal kind of stole his 3C role. That may have disrupted chemistry. I do agree with Wabit, that the idea was solid but it should’ve been done earlier in the year maybe. Hanzal never found a groove here. That was probably the best Wild team on paper in franchise history
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Hanzel had 13p in the 20 games he was here. Haula had 26p in 72 games that year. Haula did get pouty for being demoted and forced the JEE recall (burned an ELC slide year). The Nino/Haula/Pommer line was good the prior season, but didn't work this year.

The add on of Ryan White in the trade didn't fit in anywhere.
 
thestonedkoala said:
Huh I thought most fans hated the Hanzel trade. You learn something new every day.

Also the Wild probably wouldn't have drafted Joseph or Bahl as their defense was set. Tolvanen would have been an interesting pick but the 2018 would have been a disaster.
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The Hanzal trade was a terrible over-correction for Toews scoring 5 points against us.

Dumping a 1st+2nd+ for a few months of him was terrible asset management.
 
DigitalBoldy said:
The Hanzal trade was a terrible over-correction for Toews scoring 5 points against us.

Dumping a 1st+2nd+ for a few months of him was terrible asset management.
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What's funny is that trade doesn't even make my top-5 in terrible asset management since it happened.
 
Dr Jan Itor said:
Does not compute.
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I remembered that the team scored goals that year but forgot they were that high on the list. My point was Koivu was mainly a checking center, not a goal scorer. Hanzal was mainly a checking center, not a goal scorer. When it's hard to score goals, as it tends to be in the postseason, adding a Hanzal really isn't going to help. But again, I agree with those who have pointed out the reasons for the trade. It was a missed opportunity but not a terrible decision, except insofar as a middling GM made that decision like so many before and it had predictably middling results.
 
All this Hanzal talk has me wondering what Fletcher would do if he was given the GM role for the current Wild on July 1st.
 
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