Speculation: Trade and Free Agency - 2024-25

[Dr Jan Itor]

What would it have taken to get Konecny? Wasn't the rumor that it would involve Rossi?

Who knows if it was even an option. I just liked the thought prior to him re-signing.

 

[AKL]

Did you just use a stat that says Brady is better as a gotcha against me? Uhhh, thank you I guess?

It's interesting that when Boldy's time with Kaprizov on the power play is included, the gap widens between the two in favor of Tkachuk. You'd think it would be the opposite of that.

Lol you originally tried to make the claim that Tkachuk is a difference maker and Boldy isn't.

Now you're happy with a 0.05 difference in P/60 (mind you, while Zuccarello's ES P/60 is 2.86 and Stutzle's is 2.6, showing that even a worse player can have better P/60 stats).

In any case, we have more than sufficient evidence to prove that Tkachuk is not the player you think he is.

Who knows if it was even an option. I just liked the thought prior to him re-signing.

It was a good thought for sure.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

I think Boldy/Eriksson Ek/Konecny would've been a pretty awesome line.

Having Konecny as the line driver for line 2 would be amazing.

 

[AKL]

By the way, their ES G/60 are 0.92, both of them. That 0.05 figure comes from A/60. Boldy can't score goals for his teammates.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Having Konecny as the line driver for line 2 would be amazing.

More just 3 talented guys that might work well together.

I think we're getting a little too obsessed with the "line driving" angle here. How about just putting together a good unit/line/team?

 

[DigitalBoldy]

Lol you originally tried to make the claim that Tkachuk is a difference maker and Boldy isn't.

Now you're happy with a 0.05 difference in P/60 (mind you, while Zuccarello's ES P/60 is 2.86 and Stutzle's is 2.6, showing that even a worse player can have better P/60 stats).

In any case, we have more than sufficient evidence to prove that Tkachuk is not the player you think he is.

You clearly do not have the evidence. The best stat you can find for Boldy still has Tkachuk better. When you include everything for the player comparison, the gap is much wider.

My whole point is that Brady would be able to play his game in the playoffs, instead of folding like Boldy does when the physicality amps up.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

More just 3 talented guys that might work well together.

I think we're getting a little too obsessed with the "line driving" angle here. How about just putting together a good unit/line/team?

Sharks are circling. It's alright, I understand.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Sharks are circling. It's alright, I understand.

Kaprizov is going to be making $14M a year, he better be driving a line.

Boldy is making $7M. It's enough for him to a good part of a whole.

That's all I'm saying.

 

[Prior]

Where is Webster?

Ruptured

 

[AKL]

By the way, for the record, Boldy is very definitively in the tier where there aren't many guys who are actually that much better than him. He's 44th in total points between this year and last, and half of the guys ahead of him produce more because they generally have better linemates, better PP's, just better situations conducive to more offense than he has.

Even looking at points per game in that time, he's 44th, tied with Zuccarello, and it's clear as day that he's a better player than Zuccarello, but Zuccarello is generally in a better situation for acquiring points.

The only problem with Boldy is that he doesn't have the supporting cast most of the guys ahead of him have. If he did, we wouldn't be having this conversation because he'd probably be closer to the 20-30 range leaguewide.

 

[thestonedkoala]

Its kind of hard to drive a line when you have Johansson and Hartman helping you

 

[Minnewildsota]

It's pretty sad that you have to character assassinate me because I dare talk about trading Boldy for an upgrade.

Here's my opinion, since you think I rarely state mine (For the record, I like you but I just like goofin' with you).

I don't think it makes sense to trade Boldy for what would be a marginal upgrade. Boldy is good enough where he is and is on a reasonable contract. What I would like to see is use Zucc or MarJo, players of that caliber, to make a significant upgrade at that position.

Not saying anybody would go for it, and we'd definitely have to add. How much? I don't know but say if you kept Boldy but did:

Zucc + 1st < - > Tkachuk
MarJo + 1st < - > Tkachuk

Doesn't even have to be Tkachuk specifically, just a player of that caliber. Obviously there are obstacles around that because of the Jiricek trade but that's the premise of my idea or opinion.

 

[AKL]

Here's my opinion, since you think I rarely state mine (For the record, I like you but I just like goofin' with you).

I don't think it makes sense to trade Boldy for what would be a marginal upgrade. Boldy is good enough where he is and is on a reasonable contract. What I would like to see is use Zucc or MarJo, players of that caliber, to make a significant upgrade at that position.

Not saying anybody would go for it, and we'd definitely have to add. How much? I don't know but say if you kept Boldy but did:

Zucc + 1st < - > Tkachuk
MarJo + 1st < - > Tkachuk

Doesn't even have to be Tkachuk specifically, just a player of that caliber. Obviously there are obstacles around that because of the Jiricek trade but that's the premise of my idea or opinion.

This is the correct answer. If you want to make the top six better, you don't move Boldy at all, you move the other pieces that are holding guys like Boldy back, and you use prospects and picks for upgrades.

Kaprizov-Rossi-Zuccarello
Tkachuk-Ek-Boldy

That's an actual improvement to the forward group

Kaprizov-Rossi-Zuccarello
Johansson-Ek-Tkachuk

That's exactly what we have currently but the 2RW is uglier

 

[DigitalBoldy]

From the start I have only ever said Tkachuk isn't the difference maker you think he is. This "Boldy is better" argument you're arguing against is a strawman created by you.

I have never implied that you or anyone said or think that. It's in your own head that I said that. But you'd think that Boldy would have at least one stat that is in his favor if he was supposedly even with Tkachuk.

 

[MK9]

Here's my opinion, since you think I rarely state mine (For the record, I like you but I just like goofin' with you).

I don't think it makes sense to trade Boldy for what would be a marginal upgrade. Boldy is good enough where he is and is on a reasonable contract. What I would like to see is use Zucc or MarJo, players of that caliber, to make a significant upgrade at that position.

Not saying anybody would go for it, and we'd definitely have to add. How much? I don't know but say if you kept Boldy but did:

Zucc + 1st < - > Tkachuk
MarJo + 1st < - > Tkachuk

Doesn't even have to be Tkachuk specifically, just a player of that caliber. Obviously there are obstacles around that because of the Jiricek trade but that's the premise of my idea or opinion.

Let's just combine both proposals and go Zucc, Marjo +1st.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Just to keep playing, are there any different names other than Tkachuk?

 

[Webster]

I was told that guys on the Wild board miss me. Just don't blame it on NHL1674, that was actually cute, I'd show up at some point anyway.

So Zuccarello has 20 points in 23 games, not bad for a 37 yr old. Then Faber decides to mess with Zucc's nuts, so bad he was gone for a month, but came right back on the top line without playing a single game. That was interesting.

And now I still haven't figured out if this team thinks Zucc is a machine, or if there are other machines like Boldy who are getting rusty and need some oil. Maybe it's just our superstar, Foligno said a happy Kirill was running around like a kid in a candy store when he heard he'll get his buddy back.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

Here's my opinion, since you think I rarely state mine (For the record, I like you but I just like goofin' with you).

I don't think it makes sense to trade Boldy for what would be a marginal upgrade. Boldy is good enough where he is and is on a reasonable contract. What I would like to see is use Zucc or MarJo, players of that caliber, to make a significant upgrade at that position.

Not saying anybody would go for it, and we'd definitely have to add. How much? I don't know but say if you kept Boldy but did:

Zucc + 1st < - > Tkachuk
MarJo + 1st < - > Tkachuk

Doesn't even have to be Tkachuk specifically, just a player of that caliber. Obviously there are obstacles around that because of the Jiricek trade but that's the premise of my idea or opinion.

Nobody trades Tkachuk level players for Zucc/Johansson + 1st. That's the problem.

 

[Minnewildsota]

Nobody trades Tkachuk level players for Zucc/Johansson + 1st. That's the problem.

I did say we'd have to add. I don't know how much and quite frankly I don't care enough to even speculate.

 

[Sweetnut]

Let's just combine both proposals and go Zucc, Marjo +1st.

I can't see any teams wanting a 50 yo dude with one ball or a soft ass dude with no balls, no matter what kind of prospects you send with them.

 

[AKL]

Just to keep playing, are there any different names other than Tkachuk?

For what? Rental? Long term? Trade? Free agency? Any or all of the above?

 

[DigitalBoldy]

I did say we'd have to add. I don't know how much and quite frankly I don't care enough to even speculate.

Probably Buium or Yurov, which opens another can of worms.

 

[AKL]

I can't see any teams wanting a 50 yo dude with one ball or a soft ass dude with no balls, no matter what kind of prospects you send with them.

I imagine the deals would be more like a

Tkachuk

for

Ohgren
1st
additional pick/prospect
Johansson (cap/roster spot dump)

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

For what? Rental? Long term? Trade? Free agency? Any or all of the above?

Theoretical 'let's turn Boldy into this guy' and it might make sense.

 

[MK9]

I can't see any teams wanting a 50 yo dude with one ball or a soft ass dude with no balls, no matter what kind of prospects you send with them.

Well, my plan was more to just cover Johansson with a bedsheet and hope they don't really notice him. Slip him on by, y'know?