Proposal: Toronto-Rangers

[SML2]

Is that you Mike Milbury?

Hey NY Rangers you want 2 overpriced, buttery soft players PLUS a plug who’s played the same amount of games in the minors (ECHL/AHL) Vs the pros over the past 5 years for a young, up & coming talented winger that can drop the gloves, a cagey vet and a tuff as nails D just coming into his grove????? Oh yeah the rangers 3 all bring more sandpaper than the leafs entire roster. BTW, look at the ages, LMAO

To Toronto-
Chris Kreider 34yo
Will Cuylle. 23yo
K'Andre Miller 25yo

To Rangers-
William Nylander 29yo
Bobby Mcmann. 28yo
Morgan Rielly. 31yo

Yeah, K'Andre Miller is tough as nails. F'ing fingernails. He has fought one time, and it was the linebrawl vs the Devils when he locked horns with noted pugilist John Marino and only after all four of his teammates were already fighting. The hardest hits he has ever delivered in a Rangers uniform have been on Ranger players. Miller is the biggest fraud in the game. He looks like a dollar and plays like a dime. He is the most aggravating player I have seen on this team in decades, and the furthest thing from tough as nails that a player could possibly be.

THe last person the Leafs should be trying to move is Nylander. He's the only one of the big four who doesn't wilt under pressure.

 

[Americanadian]

Rielly is like Tavares. Wants to be in Toronto forever. He's not from here but he's married to Tessa Virtue who is Canadian figure skating royalty and her family is here and in London, ON (90 min from Toronto). Very very unlikely that Rielly would consider waiving.

I’m from Toronto. I’m very aware of this. New York is still very alluring.

 

[TGWL]

I like Nylander, but I don't really care for taking on Rielly's cap hit and with Fox on the team, there's no powerplay opportunity here for him, so it's wasted cap, especially for a player exposed far worse than Miller when it comes to even strength defense. I think Rangers trading all 3 separately would fix a lot more holes, especially retaining on Kreider.

 

[lanceuppercut75]

Kreider isn't what he used to be and Rielly's value is at an all time low. Miller as he gets older is looking like he won't be reaching his top potential. Nylander has A LOT of value. Also hesitant to trade McMann because his cap hit is really nice on this contract.

To top it all off, Leafs NEED Rielly's puck-moving. I'm 100% cool with moving Rielly out, but then you need to bring a puck-mover in to replace him. Tanev McCabe Carlo OEL Benoit isn't good enough in terms of puck-moving.

 

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I’m from Toronto. I’m very aware of this. New York is still very alluring.

Not for everyone

 

[bl02]

I'll pass on that Reilly contract. We have a one like that in Zibanejad. Don't need another.

 

[BJCOLLINS]

Yeah, K'Andre Miller is tough as nails. F'ing fingernails. He has fought one time, and it was the linebrawl vs the Devils when he locked horns with noted pugilist John Marino and only after all four of his teammates were already fighting. The hardest hits he has ever delivered in a Rangers uniform have been on Ranger players. Miller is the biggest fraud in the game. He looks like a dollar and plays like a dime. He is the most aggravating player I have seen on this team in decades, and the furthest thing from tough as nails that a player could possibly be.

THe last person the Leafs should be trying to move is Nylander. He's the only one of the big four who doesn't wilt under pressure.

My impression of Willie is he’s allergic to physicality & his playoff performance’s are hardly worth the 11.5 million AAV he’s locked into for years to come.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

My impression of Willie is he’s allergic to physicality & his playoff performance’s are hardly worth the 11.5 million AAV he’s locked into for years to come.

Nylander is like the only Leafs forward that actually shows up in the playoffs.

 

[Americanadian]

Not for everyone

That’s true - did Rielly tell you he wouldn’t play there?

 

[BJCOLLINS]

Nylander is like the only Leafs forward that actually shows up in the playoffs.

$11.5 million? I don’t remember him in any game 7’s or games 5&7 Vs the cats

 

[steelcurtain6]

Kreider isn't what he used to be and Rielly's value is at an all time low. Miller as he gets older is looking like he won't be reaching his top potential. Nylander has A LOT of value. Also hesitant to trade McMann because his cap hit is really nice on this contract.

To top it all off, Leafs NEED Rielly's puck-moving. I'm 100% cool with moving Rielly out, but then you need to bring a puck-mover in to replace him. Tanev McCabe Carlo OEL Benoit isn't good enough in terms of puck-moving.

What about trying to bring Klingberg back. He has looked pretty good for the Oil. He can pair with Benoit. Could run the PP. He may feel like he owes a bit given what Tre and Trons did for him. I don't think it was a bad break up.
Maybe move Reilly to Van City. His hometown. He may waive for that.

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

Yeah, K'Andre Miller is tough as nails. F'ing fingernails. He has fought one time, and it was the linebrawl vs the Devils when he locked horns with noted pugilist John Marino and only after all four of his teammates were already fighting. The hardest hits he has ever delivered in a Rangers uniform have been on Ranger players. Miller is the biggest fraud in the game. He looks like a dollar and plays like a dime. He is the most aggravating player I have seen on this team in decades, and the furthest thing from tough as nails that a player could possibly be.

THe last person the Leafs should be trying to move is Nylander. He's the only one of the big four who doesn't wilt under pressure.

Fantastic sales job on Miller

 

[TGWL]

My impression of Willie is he’s allergic to physicality & his playoff performance’s are hardly worth the 11.5 million AAV he’s locked into for years to come.

He's not throwing hits during the season. So if you're looking for somebody who throws more than 1 hit every 3 games, he's not your player. But, this ideal fantasy where you only pay 11.5m for elite players who show up with some likable stats all over the ice, and through-out playoffs, needs to end. Players who put up points will be getting paid, and if you choose to not pay them, you're going to struggle to make playoffs. The thought process of 11.5m needing to bring you the very best is not realistic anymore.

 

[Warrior16]

Curious how Ranger fans value Cuylle and Miller individually asset wise in a trade. Cuylle seems to be a promising powerforward in the Knies-ish mold? Probably off limits I'd assumed. Miller has good size, could he bounce back as an offensive 40ish point 2nd pairing type long term?

 

[MisterT]

I think the Leafs are committed to keeping Nylander and using assets (picks/prospects) to trade for the guys they want. Not sure what those Ranger players would cost? But Krieder certainly should be a target.

What of value is being added to take Kreider?

22-8 gets you Cy Young votes. In hockey for his cap hit, it gets you SFA.

 

[hurdemz]

Yes because Willy has done so much in the last 9 years to help this team succeed in the playoffs. If anything, he was probably the worst player the last 3 games of the Florida series. I'm tired of these die hard leaf fans that just keep expecting them to win when clearly this core has proven the last 9 years that they can't. Please explain how this deal is awful. Yes Kreider had a bad year but he's also the type of player who Berube would love being size, speed, forecheck, net front presence and on our top 2 lines should get 20-30 goals pretty easily. Cuylle is pretty much Matthew Knies, maybe just a little less skill but still the exact same player, and as for Miller, if he's not that good then Morgan Rielly is just outright garbage.

So instead of suggesting I stop making proposals, how about you actually include some reasoning as to why you think this trade is awful instead of just being your typical leaf fan who sol believes in this core and completely ignoring what GM has said about this team.

Really? You think kreider brings success? Rangers havnt exactly done much these past few years.

Nylander > Kreider

 

[DJN21]

Yes because Willy has done so much in the last 9 years to help this team succeed in the playoffs. If anything, he was probably the worst player the last 3 games of the Florida series. I'm tired of these die hard leaf fans that just keep expecting them to win when clearly this core has proven the last 9 years that they can't. Please explain how this deal is awful. Yes Kreider had a bad year but he's also the type of player who Berube would love being size, speed, forecheck, net front presence and on our top 2 lines should get 20-30 goals pretty easily. Cuylle is pretty much Matthew Knies, maybe just a little less skill but still the exact same player, and as for Miller, if he's not that good then Morgan Rielly is just outright garbage.

So instead of suggesting I stop making proposals, how about you actually include some reasoning as to why you think this trade is awful instead of just being your typical leaf fan who sol believes in this core and completely ignoring what GM has said about this team.

Lol. There are others telling you why. You got triggered. Its okay. Any trade proposals on here are bound to get heavily roasted one way or another.

 

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That’s true - did Rielly tell you he wouldn’t play there?

Yes

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

$11.5 million? I don’t remember him in any game 7’s or games 5&7 Vs the cats

Listen I’m not saying he’s McDrai in the playoffs or anything but he carries over his level of play from the reg season. Same cannot be said about the other TML big guns

 

[BJCOLLINS]

Listen I’m not saying he’s McDrai in the playoffs or anything but he carries over his level of play from the reg season. Same cannot be said about the other TML big guns

I get it and maybe I’m just old but $11.5 x 8 seems a bit rich for a player that doesn’t “dig in” when the going gets tuff???
Cheers.

 

[kihei]

If Toronto is going to dangle Nylander, which they are not, they would very likely come up with a package way, way more attractive than this one.

 

[colchar]

Yes because Willy has done so much in the last 9 years to help this team succeed in the playoffs. If anything, he was probably the worst player the last 3 games of the Florida series. I'm tired of these die hard leaf fans that just keep expecting them to win when clearly this core has proven the last 9 years that they can't. Please explain how this deal is awful. Yes Kreider had a bad year but he's also the type of player who Berube would love being size, speed, forecheck, net front presence and on our top 2 lines should get 20-30 goals pretty easily. Cuylle is pretty much Matthew Knies, maybe just a little less skill but still the exact same player, and as for Miller, if he's not that good then Morgan Rielly is just outright garbage.

So instead of suggesting I stop making proposals, how about you actually include some reasoning as to why you think this trade is awful instead of just being your typical leaf fan who sol believes in this core and completely ignoring what GM has said about this team.

He never said he believed in the core Skippy, he discussed the value of a couple of players which explicitly tells you why he thinks the trade is awful.

 

[colchar]

Is that you Mike Milbury?

Hey NY Rangers you want 2 overpriced, buttery soft players PLUS a plug who’s played the same amount of games in the minors (ECHL/AHL) Vs the pros over the past 5 years for a young, up & coming talented winger that can drop the gloves, a cagey vet and a tuff as nails D just coming into his grove?????

And where, exactly, is his groveLMAO

LMAO

And this is how you say you're 15 without saying you are 15.

 

[TGWL]

Curious how Ranger fans value Cuylle and Miller individually asset wise in a trade. Cuylle seems to be a promising powerforward in the Knies-ish mold? Probably off limits I'd assumed. Miller has good size, could he bounce back as an offensive 40ish point 2nd pairing type long term?

It's hard to say because Miller is an RFA and we don't fully know what contract term he wants. Rumors were saying his agent (who also represents Goodrow)will not be playing nice with NYR when it comes to a discount, but who knows, that could have been just made up.

The defense structure was awful. It was a poor man-to-man coverage where they often looked around after the goal to see who missed the assignment. I've never seen a more confused looking group after missing a wide-open player. His current value might be different than the actual value he brings to a team with a good structure on the backend. Then again, the mental toughness of an 82 game seasons seems to get to him and his actual value to another team might be different than the potential value the organization is hanging on with him. It's hard to truly judge these players until you fix the mess. We just don't have a replacement for the top 4/top pair LD after trading Miller.

For Cuylle, he plays the way you want to see a young player play. I think some fans have extremely high expectations for the kid after seeing him take a bigger step forward, but he's a player too valuable for the organization to trade and not valuable enough to make it feel like you hit a home run with the value coming back.

 

[SML2]

Fantastic sales job on Miller

I learned a long time ago that what goes on here is in no way connected to the actions in the NHL. No GM gives a damn what is said here, none of them come here for insight or advice, and they certainly don't base their player evaluations on wjat is posted here. If Drury or any other GM made a move based on what happens here, they need to leave.

Conversely, I have watched instance after instance of keyboard GMs declare players to not be of NHL caliber, to have negative value, to require massive retention and assets added just to dump their salaries turn out to be 100% wrong.

Most of what is said here is fan bases taking the opportunity to troll opposing fan bases. There's not alot of facts being traded here, and fan base approval is in NO way connected to actual NHL roster moves.

But I will plant my flag on the top of "KAM is NOT tough as nails" all day every day. If there is one truth you find here all day, it won't be any truer than that.