Proposal: Toronto - Columbus

[Hockey 4 Life]

To
Columbus
2023 1st
2023 3rd (Leafs)

To
Toronto
Gavrikov

Toronto needs a physical D to replace muzzin and Columbus is still adding youth to the team and finishing their rebuild.

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[TheImpatientPanther]

Not saying I watch a lot of CBJ games but Gavrikov isn't a physical defenseman.
He has 18 hits in 14 games.
He's 8th on his own team in hits.

In saying that, CBJ will likely say they want to keep him IMO and pray they can re-sign him.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Not saying I watch a lot of CBJ games but Gavrikov isn't a physical defenseman.
He has 18 hits in 14 games.
He's 8th on his own team in hits.

In saying that, CBJ will likely say they want to keep him IMO and pray they can re-sign him.

Not sure they will. The team is probably selling this year and looking to bolster their center depth in the offseason. Gav will probably be one of their best options to sell at the deadline and IMO the Peeke extension more or less decided who they want to keep.

I also wouldn't judge his hitting on a 14 game sample size, last year he was 3rd in hits with 124. Another example is someone like Savard, he's a pretty physical player but he only has 13 recorded hits so far this season

 

[Viqsi]

Please take a close look at how many blueliners we still have active and then, based on that information, consider whether or not we will be trading any blueliners whatsoever for the foreseeable future, let alone the guy who's become our de-facto #1 by default.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Please take a close look at how many blueliners we still have active and then, based on that information, consider whether or not we will be trading any blueliners whatsoever for the foreseeable future, let alone the guy who's become our de-facto #1 by default.

Depth charts aren't as meaningful when the target team is rebuilding. If the Jackets aren't rebuilding and are trying to compete then sure that makes sense, otherwise what does it matter.

 

[Pebble live]

To
Columbus
2023 1st
2023 3rd (Leafs)

To
Toronto
Gavrikov

Toronto needs a physical D to replace muzzin and Columbus is still adding youth to the team and finishing their rebuild.

Value of those picks are too high for the leafs. Dubas has been absolutely burned in the past trading away his 1st. I don't see him doing it again.

 

[cbjthrowaway]

Please take a close look at how many blueliners we still have active and then, based on that information, consider whether or not we will be trading any blueliners whatsoever for the foreseeable future, let alone the guy who's become our de-facto #1 by default.

My preference is to extend Gavrikov but if they can't agree on a price I have no issue creating a bidding war over him and getting a first rounder + more stuff.

 

[ViD]

If we’re talking a TDL trade for a rental and If Gavrikov does not want to re-sign in Columbus, then the value is appropriate.

However, it’s extremely unlikely Columbus will be trading any d men now given catastrophic injury situation.

 

[koteka]

As a Jackets fan I’d take it. Let’s trade our healthy guys before they get injured too.

 

[Viqsi]

Depth charts aren't as meaningful when the target team is rebuilding.

Except for the part where if you strip down everything to the bare studs and then try to trade away those bare studs themselves, that tends to have a deletrious effect on player morale, youth development, and thus any chance of a rebuild actually succeeding anytime within the next decade.

And if you'd actually followed my advice and, y'know, looked, you'd have noticed that we're already running with half of an NHL blueline. Moving Gavrikov would be throwing our guys to the wolves and destroying any hope of properly developing our blueliners at this point.

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My preference is to extend Gavrikov but if they can't agree on a price I have no issue creating a bidding war over him and getting a first rounder + more stuff.

Agreed - but that would IMO most profitably be a deadline move, and the OP is looking for a "now" move.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Please take a close look at how many blueliners we still have active and then, based on that information, consider whether or not we will be trading any blueliners whatsoever for the foreseeable future, let alone the guy who's become our de-facto #1 by default.

I imagine this is an idea for closer to the trade deadline and not a Black Friday deal

 

[Viqsi]

I imagine this is an idea for closer to the trade deadline and not a Black Friday deal

OP really didn't present it that way at all. If it's at the deadline, it's considerably more acceptable. At least by then we should have a few guys back from injury to shield the kids.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Except for the part where if you strip down everything to the bare studs and then try to trade away those bare studs themselves, that tends to have a deletrious effect on player morale, youth development, and thus any chance of a rebuild actually succeeding anytime within the next decade.

And if you'd actually followed my advice and, y'know, looked, you'd have noticed that we're already running with half of an NHL blueline. Moving Gavrikov would be throwing our guys to the wolves and destroying any hope of properly developing our blueliners at this point.

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Agreed - but that would IMO most profitably be a deadline move, and the OP is looking for a "now" move.

No need for the extended break down of your teams depth chart. A simple check back close to the deadline would have been sufficient.

 

[Viqsi]

Value of those picks are too high for the leafs. Dubas has been absolutely burned in the past trading away his 1st. I don't see him doing it again.

No 1st, no deal. That's non-negotiable.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

OP really didn't present it that way at all. If it's at the deadline, it's considerably more acceptable. At least by then we should have a few guys back from injury to shield the kids.

They didn't present it any way but an overall trade proposal. If you are open to it as a deadline thing then maybe suggest that in your post instead of just shooting it down entirely

 

[Viqsi]

No need for the extended break down of your teams depth chart. A simple check back close to the deadline would have been sufficient.

Extended breakdown? I didn't even name names. I can name names, if need be. I'm just hoping for folks to do the most cursory, simplistic, fundamentally basic preparatory research first. Is that so horrible of an ask?

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

No 1st, no deal. That's non-negotiable.

Obviously a first would be involved for a top 4 defender. Other Leaf fans seem to think our team is fine with muzzin out and probably retiring and Brodie out for a few weeks, I don't. I'd offer this deal at the deadline or close to it as well.

 

[Viqsi]

They didn't present it any way but an overall trade proposal. If you are open to it as a deadline thing then maybe suggest that in your post instead of just shooting it down entirely

That last is problematic because it's actually contingent on information we don't presently have and won't have until deadline season rolls around (specifically, whether or not he wants to stay).

And when people want to talk about deadline trade proposals in November, they generally state upfront that it's a deadline proposal. Context matters.

 

[tunnelvision]

As a Jackets fan I’d take it. Let’s trade our healthy guys before they get injured too.

With our luck he'll probably get hurt the day before the anticipated trade would have happened. Won't be surprised if Nyquist also has a season-ending injury at some point near the TDL.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Extended breakdown? I didn't even name names. I can name names, if need be. I'm just hoping for folks to do the most cursory, simplistic, fundamentally basic preparatory research first. Is that so horrible of an ask?

It's not a tall order but also isn't the norm for this site in regards to trades.

 

[Viqsi]

Obviously a first would be involved for a top 4 defender. Other Leaf fans seem to think our team is fine with muzzin out and probably retiring and Brodie out for a few weeks, I don't. I'd offer this deal at the deadline or close to it as well.

Presuming we have other guys available to shelter the kids by then and presuming that Gavrikov has no strong desire to stay here, then that'd probably work. In that case we'd be trying to go to other teams and see if we can get more, but under those circumstances that might be the market ceiling.

 

[Viqsi]

It's not a tall order but also isn't the norm for this site in regards to trades.

And if nobody calls folks on it it'll stay that way. You cannot dissuade me from my quest to slay the giants, Sancho.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Presuming we have other guys available to shelter the kids by then and presuming that Gavrikov has no strong desire to stay here, then that'd probably work. In that case we'd be trying to go to other teams and see if we can get more, but under those circumstances that might be the market ceiling.

Thats a completely reasonable response.

 

[cslebn]

Obviously a first would be involved for a top 4 defender. Other Leaf fans seem to think our team is fine with muzzin out and probably retiring and Brodie out for a few weeks, I don't. I'd offer this deal at the deadline or close to it as well.

Won't Brodie be back before the deadline?

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

And if nobody calls folks on it it'll stay that way. You cannot dissuade me from my quest to slay the giants, Sancho.

I usually take a deeper dive on the other team when presenting a trade proposal but opted not to because Columbus is rebuilding.

Won't Brodie be back before the deadline?

Brodie should be back in a few weeks but the Leafs still need to upgrade when he is back.