Proposal: Toronto - Arizona

[hamzarocks]

During the draft, the Yotes fans wouldn't even think about Matthews for OEL, so this is definitely gonna go over well with them. Also, I think that OEL would do more for Zona than the Leafs package would

And the leaf fans wouldn't trade the 1st pick in the sumner unless it was OEl plus there 1st (7th overall). The leafs aren't in a position to be going after a top dmen when they are still accumilating top assets and building there team. The leafs wouldn't ever offer Matthews for OEl, and the proposed trade is bad for toronto value wise. We are giving up way too much for OEl. The yotes are trying to win and get out of a rebuild so they don't want too trade there best dmen either. Bad trade for both teams

 

[JohnnyO]

Seems pretty simple, Leafs can't afford to give up that much, and Yotes don't want to move OEL.

 

[Masked Superstar]

I know Yotes fans are headstrong on not trading OEL but I'm just curious to see if this offer is at all in the ball park.

To Toronto:
D - Oliver Ekman-Larsson

To Arizona:
C - William Nylander
D - Jake Gardiner
LW - Brendan Leipsic (Marlies leading scorer)
2017 1st Round Pick
2017 2nd Round Pick via OTT

Thoughts? You can't say there's no value coming from the Leafs

god no. patience doesn't mean 2 months. we are not 1 player away. stay the course

 

[Sanderson]

Apart from not moving a young franchise defenseman for a bunch of lesser pieces (compared to OEL, that doesn't mean they are bad) the deal doesn't really seem to take Arizona's needs into account.

They already have quite a lot young forwards with lots of talent. They may not be there yet, but there isn't really any need to add more on top of them. At the same time they don't have a comparable depth on defense, and most definately no one who could take over OEL's role anytime soon.

Whether Toronto is really in the right place right now to go after such a player is another matter. They might as well continue what they are currently doing instead of trying to match the extremely high price Arizona would want to get for Ekman-Larsson.

 

[WrinkledPossum]

Coyotes want quality not quantity. Condense the offer down while keeping it around the same value.

 

[LeafingTheWay]

I agree with a guy below. There is no ball park in value because you can't put a value in giving up your young #1D (in the same top-6 group as Keith, Karlsson, Doughty, Subban, Hedman to me) to address other issues when you're in the middle of a rebuild.

 

[Halla]

I know Yotes fans are headstrong on not trading OEL but I'm just curious to see if this offer is at all in the ball park.

To Toronto:
D - Oliver Ekman-Larsson

To Arizona:
C - William Nylander
D - Jake Gardiner
LW - Brendan Leipsic (Marlies leading scorer)
2017 1st Round Pick
2017 2nd Round Pick via OTT

Thoughts? You can't say there's no value coming from the Leafs

and if that 1st rd pick ends up being liljegren?
OEL is good, but not that good. Willie Nylander deals need to be insta locked. just because the toronto sun wrote about him playing on line 4, he is suddenly a throw away piece. kid is still a rookie having a very good year

 

[Halla]

Garbage.

Matthews didn't get it done. Nothing will, probably.

leafs offered up Matthews? SMH

leafs fans wanted OEL + 7th + more by the way.
toronto wouldnt move matthews straight up for oel if they had the chance.

i know you have an agenda on the leafs, but to say the offer is garbage is laughable.

Nylander,Gardiner,leipsic,1st,2nd. thats is an immense load of talent.

would ehlers,trouba,petan,1st,2nd also be garbage?

 

[jacks*]

Leafs want Oliver Ekman-Larsson ,Think Quality not Quantity,Think Marner or Matthews .

 

[HarryLime]

people make OEL out to be a god on this forum

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Leafs want Oliver Ekman-Larsson ,Think Quality not Quantity,Think Marner or Matthews .

Implying Nylander isn't just as talented or important as the aforementioned two.

 

[Raymoondo]

I honestly probably wouldn't trade Matthews for that package, and considering OEL is more or less equal to Matthews in value, I doubt Arizona would take that offer. That being said, Leafs really can't afford to be giving up that many core pieces for one player this early in the rebuild.

 

[BAM]

Leafs want Oliver Ekman-Larsson ,Think Quality not Quantity,Think Marner or Matthews .

Did you not see Nylander?

 

[jacks*]

Did you not see Nylander?

I didn't realize the offer was for Chychrun?

 

[BAM]

I didn't realize the offer was for Chychrun?

You're comparing the value of Nylander to Chychrun?

Yeah I'm done here lmao

 

[LondonKendrick]

No disrespect to OEL but the Leafs would be creating a hole losing Nylander in their top six and on the blueline with Gardiner being the Leafs only elite defensive defenseman (disagree if you want but his shot suppression speaks for itself) to address 1 LHD where Rielly plays? Ummm ok OEL > Rielly but at the expense of that package? Not so much.

That and OEL will be demanding a massive and deserved pay day by the time the Leafs are ready to seriously compete. Can't see this being the deal that pushes the Leafs forward.

 

[Man Bear Pig]

I know Yotes fans are headstrong on not trading OEL but I'm just curious to see if this offer is at all in the ball park.

To Toronto:
D - Oliver Ekman-Larsson

To Arizona:
C - William Nylander
D - Jake Gardiner
LW - Brendan Leipsic (Marlies leading scorer)
2017 1st Round Pick
2017 2nd Round Pick via OTT

Thoughts? You can't say there's no value coming from the Leafs

Just too much to give up. I think what would really sting is seeing that 1st rounder turn into another Seguin. Then you're potentially giving up two first liners, a top 4 D,a poor man's Gallagher and a 2nd round pick. OEL is a great player but he's not worth gutting the future over.

 

[Man Bear Pig]

Leafs want Oliver Ekman-Larsson ,Think Quality not Quantity,Think Marner or Matthews .

That a joke?

 

[WildWolfdog]

Is OEL a better version of Bobby Orr or something? Gtfo with some of the comments on here

 

[Maukkis]

leafs offered up Matthews? SMH

leafs fans wanted OEL + 7th + more by the way.
toronto wouldnt move matthews straight up for oel if they had the chance.

i know you have an agenda on the leafs, but to say the offer is garbage is laughable.

Nylander,Gardiner,leipsic,1st,2nd. thats is an immense load of talent.

would ehlers,trouba,petan,1st,2nd also be garbage?

That wouldn't make Chayka consider giving up OEL for a second.

All five pieces more or less represent something they already have. Nylander (Domi, Strome, Dvorak), Gardiner (Murphy, Goligoski, Stone, even Chychrun), Leipsic (Crouse, Perlini, Merkley etc.) 1st (their first is going to be higher) and a second, which is a non-factor.

OEL? Yep, no one's replacing him. Clearly you don't notice that, but OEL is a top 10 defenseman, which is something that Toronto can't offer to replace him.

Maybe that's an immense load of talent, which may or may not be an overstatement, but as an offer for OEL, that's garbage. An immense load of talent in a shape of five different pieces is rarely a good offer.

As bad as the offer is, you somehow beat that with your meaningless shot at our players. You're quite possibly the only one who got anything out of it.

 

[gretskidoo]

If a borderline top 5 prospect in all of hockey before the season, a young top 4 defender signed to a reasonable deal, a very likely top 5 pick in this year's draft, a 2nd round pick and a decent prospect isn't enough for OEL, he's gunna be stuck in Arizona for a long time.

The "top 5" part wouldn't be very likely with an actual great #1 on the team..

Unless you think Babcock would stick OEL on the 3rd pairing for 15 minutes a night or something, I guess.

people make OEL out to be a god on this forum

Young, top 15 at worst, defensemen are worth a lot. News at 11!

 

[Halla]

I didn't realize the offer was for Chychrun?

wow. dont even know what to say here.

just for a laugh, Nylander is on pace for 55 pts as a 20 year old rookie.
the season Galchenyuk turned 20 he had 31 pts in 65 games. then 46 as a 21 year old and 56 as a 22 year old.

would you move galchenyuk for chychrun?

habs fans ask for the moon for galchenyuk and gallagher yet Nylander, who probably has more value, is practically useless.

just because the leafs have matthews and marner doesnt mean nylander is on the block, or in any way less valuable.

any thread that involves any of the big 3 is doomed to go nowhere

 

[Halla]

That wouldn't make Chayka consider giving up OEL for a second.

All five pieces more or less represent something they already have. Nylander (Domi, Strome, Dvorak), Gardiner (Murphy, Goligoski, Stone, even Chychrun), Leipsic (Crouse, Perlini, Merkley etc.) 1st (their first is going to be higher) and a second, which is a non-factor.

OEL? Yep, no one's replacing him. Clearly you don't notice that, but OEL is a top 10 defenseman, which is something that Toronto can't offer to replace him.

Maybe that's an immense load of talent, which may or may not be an overstatement, but as an offer for OEL, that's garbage. An immense load of talent in a shape of five different pieces is rarely a good offer.

As bad as the offer is, you somehow beat that with your meaningless shot at our players. You're quite possibly the only one who got anything out of it.

shot at your players? a bit of reading comprehension is needed here.
I simply asked if the equivalent players on the jets would still be considered "garbage" if they were proposed for OEL.
probably not because they arent leafs right?

btw I didnt make this thread, and If you cared to look over my previous comments, i wasnt in favor of this kind of deal. no need to convince me that OEL is a great dman and phoenix doesnt really need the pieces.

 

[MacerV]

Leafs want Oliver Ekman-Larsson ,Think Quality not Quantity,Think Marner or Matthews .

TIL Nylander is apparently "quantity" not quality.

 

[SnizzNasty88]

I thought this offer I made was pretty fair, perhaps almost too fair, however if it were to happen I'd make sure the 1st is top 8 protected and I'd take out the 2nd round pick. I realize that from the comments on this proposal that my offer was in fact too much for OEL. I think that is the best realistic offer you could see from the Leafs.