Proposal: Toronto - Anaheim

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I think people need to remember, when making statements like "lol...Fowler would easily be your best Dman', that there is a massive difference between Anaheim and Toronto when it comes to talent. There is no guarantee that Fowler steps in here and plays great....this is a team still learning a system, who's forwards are not playing well defensively.

Anaheim is a great defensive"team", and Fowler is a part of that...the Leafs have a long way to go in that department. Fowler would be a great add, but he may not be a saviour. If ever one of Marner/Nylander/1st are offered for defense, then Fowler wouldn't be the target.

And to all those comparing their guys to Rielly under the assumption that he's the Leafs best Dman, that honor belongs to Zaitsev so far this season.

Well if we're talking this year then yes Fowler would be your best dmen ainec

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Well if we're talking this year then yes Fowler would be your best dmen ainec

Morgan Reilly

 

[Halla]

You want Fowler, Montour and Silfverberg in the same deal you better be willing to put Marner/Nylander on the table as one of the pieces coming back.

And lol to any Leaf fan that thinks Fowler wouldn't come in and be their best defenseman.

Marner / Nylander? lol at any ducks fan that thinks they are even remotely available

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Okay, my last post did not go so well as I severely underrated and undervalued Cam Fowler. I figured for a lot of the heat he's been getting on these boards that Anaheim fans were very much interested in moving Fowler, here's another crack at what would honestly be a fair trade for both teams that address each team's needs.

To Toronto:
D - Cam Fowler
D - Clayton Stoner
RW - Jakob Silfverberg
D - Brandon Montour

To Anaheim:
LW - James van Riemsdyk
D - Jake Gardiner
D - Roman Polak
San Jose's 2nd Round Pick in 2017

Get real here dude, In what world would Anaheim trade away 3 D men. Right now Fowler and Montour are no goes pretty sure the same with Silfverberg as well. Pretty sure the JVR for Fowler ship has sailed. Anaheim doesn't need Gardiner so that's a no go and really Roman Polak isn't a need either. This is pretty bad for Anaheim and Bob Murray hangs up the phone on Lou Lamoriello.

 

[Halla]

Well if we're talking this year then yes Fowler would be your best dmen ainec

through 11 games right? I think the leafs are more than happy to let Rielly grow as the #1. pretty easy to forget he is still just 22

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Going back to the drawing board:

TO ANA: JVR + another contract

TO TOR: Theodore + Stoner

Ducks get their forward they want and Leafs add to the blueline. Theodore fits the age group of the Leafs core forwards and Stoner adds physical play to the blueline. Anaheim keeps their D core together.

Bob Murray isn't trading Theodore to move Stoners contact. More then likely Bob Murray keeps Stoner for now and then buys him out next summer. Theodore is part of their D core going forward and isn't getting dealt to move Stoners contract. And adding JVR pretty sure that ship has already sailed. If Bob Murray was asking for Mantha from Detroit for Cam Fowler then no way is he going to ask for JVR for Cam Fowler whom makes $250,000 more then Fowler he will want cheap cost controlled players more or less.

 

[dracom]

through 11 games right? I think the leafs are more than happy to let Rielly grow as the #1. pretty easy to forget he is still just 22

Pretty easy for people to forget Fowler is only 24 as well. People think Fowler can never improve, yet he hasn't even reached his prime.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

through 11 games right? I think the leafs are more than happy to let Rielly grow as the #1. pretty easy to forget he is still just 22

Lindholm is 22, hes doing pretty spectacular in his career, fowler has basically been used as a top pairing dmen sense his draft season, and still only 24.

I was responding to the guy saying whoever was your best dmen this year, and saying if your talking currant year then yes fowler would be best on your team.

 

[AngelDuck]

Montour is an elite prospect. It's hilarious seeing him thrown into these proposals as a toss in. The only reason he's not universally looked at as a top 20 drafted prospect is because he was drafted by a small market team

 

[Paul4587]

Marner / Nylander? lol at any ducks fan that thinks they are even remotely available

When did I say I thought they'd be available? I said they better be on the table if you want to pry those players from us.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

I think people need to remember, when making statements like "lol...Fowler would easily be your best Dman', that there is a massive difference between Anaheim and Toronto when it comes to talent. There is no guarantee that Fowler steps in here and plays great....this is a team still learning a system, who's forwards are not playing well defensively.

Anaheim is a great defensive"team", and Fowler is a part of that...the Leafs have a long way to go in that department. Fowler would be a great add, but he may not be a saviour. If ever one of Marner/Nylander/1st are offered for defense, then Fowler wouldn't be the target.

And to all those comparing their guys to Rielly under the assumption that he's the Leafs best Dman, that honor belongs to Zaitsev so far this season.

have you seen the teams the ducks have iced some nights this year? with the lack of depth, coupled with the two hold outs, and some injuries there has been some pretty bad lineups put together.

Fowler has been one of the players that has kept the team afloat while waiting for the team to actually get it's players all back. He really hasn't had alot of help on defense this year with Sami's slow start.

 

[Force951]

Morgan Reilly

As of right now Fowler>Lindholm>Reilly, now that will likely change in the future. But potential doesn't make them better now.

 

[Prominence]

As of right now Fowler>Lindholm>Reilly, now that will likely change in the future. But potential doesn't make them better now.

Really? Fowler is better than Lindholm? Advanced analytics suggests Lindholm by a mile. Can ducks fans chime in on this?

 

[AngelDuck]

Really? Fowler is better than Lindholm? Advanced analytics suggests Lindholm by a mile. Can ducks fans chime in on this?

It depends. Lindholm was better by a significant margin last year but if Fowler can extrapolate his current performance from this season over 82 games he's probably better. That's still an if at this point

 

[Goose of Reason]

Really? Fowler is better than Lindholm? Advanced analytics suggests Lindholm by a mile. Can ducks fans chime in on this?

Fowler is playing at a higher level to start the year so far than Lindholm has ever played in his career.

 

[Sojourn]

Really? Fowler is better than Lindholm? Advanced analytics suggests Lindholm by a mile. Can ducks fans chime in on this?

Analytics suggest a lot of things that are questionable.

I'd say that, right now, Fowler is playing at a higher level than anything Lindholm has shown for an extended period. Which begs the question: Can Fowler maintain it?

I hope so, because having Fowler playing at this level, and then adding Lindholm playing at his high level, would really be an asset for the Ducks this season.

 

[Halla]

When did I say I thought they'd be available? I said they better be on the table if you want to pry those players from us.

they arent on the table, certaintly not for names like silfervberg and montour. get real

 

[Halla]

As of right now Fowler>Lindholm>Reilly, now that will likely change in the future. But potential doesn't make them better now.

I think it's more like Lindholm=Rielly>>Fowler. Cam has had a nice start, but his advanced stats are terrible. If fowler was offered up for Rielly, the leafs and ducks connection would be severed forever.

I dont get why every proposal of a dman to toronto ends up comparing rielly to said player? we are trying to add to our D core, not swap rielly for another d man. make sense?

 

[Ducks in a row]

I think it's more like Lindholm=Rielly>>Fowler. Cam has had a nice start, but his advanced stats are terrible. If fowler was offered up for Rielly, the leafs and ducks connection would be severed forever.

I dont get why every proposal of a dman to toronto ends up comparing rielly to said player? we are trying to add to our D core, not swap rielly for another d man. make sense?

Lindholm and Fowler have played on the same team. Fowler had Bieksa as a common defense partner last season. Lindholm had Manson as a common defense partner last season. Manson is a better defense partner to have then Bieksa. Fowler had less offensive stars then Lindholm last season. Fowler was better early on last season while Lindholm was better later on. Fowler was better then his advanced stats suggest advanced stats are influenced by to many things to tell how good a player really is. Rielly wasn't >> Fowler last season and this season Fowler is better then Rielly.

 

[crowi]

Lindholm is >> to Rielly. Fowler has played better this year than Rielly, but small sample size. Don't try to equate Rielly to Lindholm.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I think it's more like Lindholm=Rielly>>Fowler. Cam has had a nice start, but his advanced stats are terrible. If fowler was offered up for Rielly, the leafs and ducks connection would be severed forever.

I dont get why every proposal of a dman to toronto ends up comparing rielly to said player? we are trying to add to our D core, not swap rielly for another d man. make sense?

Lindholm >= Reilly > Fowler... Reilly based off potential, if wer3 going off body of work lindholm is much better so far.



And likely for same reason everyone puts dmen in trades for Anaheim, we don't need any more dmen and I think wer3 comfortable using our prospects and dmen over anyone else.

You have to pay to get dmen, plain and simple this is prob close to the 100th trade thread from Toronto fans asking for our dmen this year l, and really none have been good outside of the jvr for Fowler starter.


At this point I think Lindholm Vatanen Fowler manson and Theodore are off the table in anahiem baring massive over payments.. or our offense starts becoming a burden.
I think Anaheim feels they can resign Fowler now thst the rakell and lindholm situations are done with, so I doubt he's available

 

[Paul4587]

they arent on the table, certaintly not for names like silfervberg and montour. get real

The names were actually all three of Fowler, Silfverberg and Montour, not just the latter two. And good we will keep our 2 quality players and one high end prospect.

I think it's more like Lindholm=Rielly>>Fowler. Cam has had a nice start, but his advanced stats are terrible. If fowler was offered up for Rielly, the leafs and ducks connection would be severed forever.

I dont get why every proposal of a dman to toronto ends up comparing rielly to said player? we are trying to add to our D core, not swap rielly for another d man. make sense?

Lindholm is significantly better than Rielly. Fowler is also better too. Advanced stats don't paint a true picture of how good Fowler is, stop boxscore scouting.

 

[Gliff]

Really? Fowler is better than Lindholm? Advanced analytics suggests Lindholm by a mile. Can ducks fans chime in on this?

I think Fowler was better the first half of last season and he has started this year at the same level.

Lindholm has more value due to his age and a higher ceiling.
Cam is a solid #2 in the NHL. He is everything you could want from a complimentary top pairing defensemen.