Proposal: Toronto - Anaheim

[Mad Brills*]

Just stop FFS.

RHD + decent prospect + 1st is similar to the lucic trade.

 

[Liferleafer]

I do that in a second. Which means Toronto wouldn't.

You sir...are correct!

 

[HarrisonFord]

No chance.

I mean the plus would have to be big, but then again I'm also higher on Theo than most and lower on Marner than most. But I can see why you wouldn't want to do it, Marner would easily be the best player of the deal and that team typically loses the trade. I'd love us to get a #2D to play alongside Rielly though and that would be Theodore

 

[WTFMAN99]

I mean the plus would have to be big, but then again I'm also higher on Theo than most and lower on Marner than most. But I can see why you wouldn't want to do it, Marner would easily be the best player of the deal and that team typically loses the trade. I'd love us to get a #2D to play alongside Rielly though and that would be Theodore

I flat out wouldn't trade Marner unless it's a legit top 2D (right handed) coming back our way, I may have to wait a while as teams don't typically let them become available but short of that, just hang on to Marner.

 

[HarrisonFord]

I flat out wouldn't trade Marner unless it's a legit top 2D (right handed) coming back our way, I may have to wait a while as teams don't typically let them become available but short of that, just hang on to Marner.

Yeah I have a tough time finding a guy who fits the bill. The only guy I can think of who fits is Werenski.

 

[Liferleafer]

RHD + decent prospect + 1st is similar to the lucic trade.

Lucic has nothing to do with JVR.

 

[lindholmie]

Montour + Kerdiles + 1st?

way too much.

 

[anezthes]

I'd do Marner for Theo and a +

Nah.

 

[ViewsFromThe6ix]

no, this is terrible.

 

[Gavy]

Nah.

You're right. No chance the leafs do that.

 

[TorontoTrades]

I'd do Marner for Theo and a +

Ew. Lindholm is the only thing that gets Marner on the table. Other than him Marner is off limits.

 

[Sojourn]

Ew. Lindholm is the only thing that gets Marner on the table. Other than him Marner is off limits.

Then you're overvaluing Marner.

 

[TorontoTrades]

Then you're overvaluing Marner.

Who else makes Leafs budge? Perry and Getzlaf don't make sense for either team so that's not worth discussing. No other forward. Wouldn't trade Marner for Vatanen as good as he is. Fowler either. So who other than Lindholm gets Marner out of Toronto?

 

[mytduxfan*]

Who else makes Leafs budge? Perry and Getzlaf don't make sense for either team so that's not worth discussing. No other forward. Wouldn't trade Marner for Vatanen as good as he is. Fowler either. So who other than Lindholm gets Marner out of Toronto?

The point is that swapping two unproven, highly-touted prospects in Theodore and Marner is a much more reasonable suggestion then moving an unproven, highly-touted prospect in Marner for a proven, contributiing, top pairing D-man and future #1D in Lindholm.

I totally understand if you want to keep Marner or don't like Theodore, but the idea that Marner is even close to be worth Lindholm is, quite frankly, ridiculous. And this is ignoring the fact that Lindholm is untouchable to ANA. COL even offered up Landeskog for Lindholm and that was apparently a very, very short conversation between Sakic and Murray.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Easy no. Neither of those pieces are even close to good enough to land someone like JVR.

 

[Sojourn]

Who else makes Leafs budge? Perry and Getzlaf don't make sense for either team so that's not worth discussing. No other forward. Wouldn't trade Marner for Vatanen as good as he is. Fowler either. So who other than Lindholm gets Marner out of Toronto?

The point is that Marner doesn't put Lindholm on the table. You can put all these limits on what it would take for Marner, but Anaheim hangs up. You're overvaluing Marner if you think he's worth that.

I know fans love their good prospects, but you know what GM's like? Good players. Good NHL players, who have actually shown they can hack it at a high level in the NHL.

 

[seanlinden]

The point is that swapping two unproven, highly-touted prospects in Theodore and Marner is a much more reasonable suggestion then moving an unproven, highly-touted prospect in Marner for a proven, contributiing, top pairing D-man and future #1D in Lindholm.

I totally understand if you want to keep Marner or don't like Theodore, but the idea that Marner is even close to be worth Lindholm is, quite frankly, ridiculous. And this is ignoring the fact that Lindholm is untouchable to ANA. COL even offered up Landeskog for Lindholm and that was apparently a very, very short conversation between Sakic and Murray.

He's not saying that the Ducks should part with Lindholm to get Marner.

He's saying that the only player which the Ducks have, that can get Marner put on the table is Lindholm.

 

[WTFMAN99]

The point is that Marner doesn't put Lindholm on the table. You can put all these limits on what it would take for Marner, but Anaheim hangs up. You're overvaluing Marner if you think he's worth that.

I know fans love their good prospects, but you know what GM's like? Good players. Good NHL players, who have actually shown they can hack it at a high level in the NHL.

Then the typical response is we just hold on to Marner....which isn't a bad thing. I'd rather keep him and explore other avenues to add a defenseman.

Who knows, maybe the Leafs shock us all and sign 1 of Burns or Shattenkirk next off-season?

 

[Raymoondo]

The point is that Marner doesn't put Lindholm on the table. You can put all these limits on what it would take for Marner, but Anaheim hangs up. You're overvaluing Marner if you think he's worth that.

I know fans love their good prospects, but you know what GM's like? Good players. Good NHL players, who have actually shown they can hack it at a high level in the NHL.

Well he did say Marner on the table, and not vice versa.

 

[Sojourn]

Well he did say Marner on the table, and not vice versa.

If that helps you justify it.

I could say McDavid is the only thing that puts Lindholm on the table, but that doesn't mean it isn't ridiculous. It also doesn't mean it's true.

 

[mytduxfan*]

He's not saying that the Ducks should part with Lindholm to get Marner.

He's saying that the only player which the Ducks have, that can get Marner put on the table is Lindholm.

Fair enough. I have the exact same response with EDM fans when they ask for Lindholm e.g. I'd want McDavid. Doesn't mean Lindholm is worth McDavid, but that Lindholm is too good/important to lose for anything short of an overpayment.

Then the typical response is we just hold on to Marner....which isn't a bad thing. I'd rather keep him and explore other avenues to add a defenseman.

Who knows, maybe the Leafs shock us all and sign 1 of Burns or Shattenkirk next off-season?

Or maybe that JVR for Fowler trade happens?

I'm kidding. Fowler is LH and TOR has LHD in spades.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

RHD + decent prospect + 1st is similar to the lucic trade.

That is a RHD prospect + a not very good prospect + 1st.

Changing what you call them doesn't increase their value.

I don't like JVR. I think Leafs fans generally way overvalue him. Your OP was crap. This one might be a little better because of Montour but Kerdiles is worthless to the Leafs and the 1st is not that good either with all the futures they have.

If you want JVR you are going to have to give up something good. Not a bunch of second rate pieces or pure futures.

 

[TorontoTrades]

The point is that swapping two unproven, highly-touted prospects in Theodore and Marner is a much more reasonable suggestion then moving an unproven, highly-touted prospect in Marner for a proven, contributiing, top pairing D-man and future #1D in Lindholm.

I totally understand if you want to keep Marner or don't like Theodore, but the idea that Marner is even close to be worth Lindholm is, quite frankly, ridiculous. And this is ignoring the fact that Lindholm is untouchable to ANA. COL even offered up Landeskog for Lindholm and that was apparently a very, very short conversation between Sakic and Murray.

The point is that Marner doesn't put Lindholm on the table. You can put all these limits on what it would take for Marner, but Anaheim hangs up. You're overvaluing Marner if you think he's worth that.

I know fans love their good prospects, but you know what GM's like? Good players. Good NHL players, who have actually shown they can hack it at a high level in the NHL.

My response was posted by Seanlinden

He's not saying that the Ducks should part with Lindholm to get Marner.

He's saying that the only player which the Ducks have, that can get Marner put on the table is Lindholm.

Of course Anaheim doesn't do it 1 for 1. I never suggested that. I'm simply saying he would have to be available for Marner to be put on the table.

 

[garyturner3]

If that helps you justify it.

I could say McDavid is the only thing that puts Lindholm on the table, but that doesn't mean it isn't ridiculous. It also doesn't mean it's true.

But it is true isn't it? Would you trade Lindholm for anyone on Edmonton outside of McDavid? Probably not, so why is that ridiculous? Nobody's saying Lindholm is worth McDavid just like nobody's saying Marner is worth Lindholm.

 

[McDonald19]

No. The value is still not close. Despres is not worth anything. Kerdiles is what, a 2nd line LW at best?

I want Theodore for JVR. And that is the kind of value the Leafs can get for JVR. Not dime a dozen prospects like Despres, Kerdiles or Sorensen.

Theodore is not available.