Player Discussion Torey Krug VI

[member 96824]

if the power play falters next season, I and others get the whole season to complain about the move. No replying, "get over it and move on!"

first time here?

 

[Scruffy]

We are about to find out if Krug was integral to the powerplay, I think he was.

If the Bruins still have a good powerplay next year, I will be glad to admit I was wrong as I always want the team to do well.

To those that wanted Krug to go and thought his contribution was easily replaceable - if the power play falters next season, I and others get the whole season to complain about the move. No replying, "get over it and move on!"

Krug was a terrific Bruin and I wish him the best.

Krug losing his shot makes the loss easier to take. I think McAvoy can be just fine as a PP1 option.

 

[finchster]

first time here?

Just getting prepared for the inevitable

 

[DominicT]

Watch Pittsburgh.

If there is one GM that can and will dump cap space its Rutherford.

 

[Over the volcano]

If these are the last days of Krug in a spoked B... So many great moments to remember him in Boston, but I think my all time favorite was him breaking and pretty much ending the Andrew Shaw era in MTL.


Also, there better be some real heart and nails entering the lineup because they’re losing a lot when he walks out that door..

 

[Gnome17]

Already thinking about Krugs first game back in TD Garden as a part of another team and its making me emotional.
At the same time ive made my peace with not resigning him and using that capspace to improve the mid6.
But damn was he a great Bruin, fun player to watch, always played with a lot of heart.

 

[Bruin4]

Already thinking about Krugs first game back in TD Garden as a part of another team and its making me emotional.
At the same time ive made my peace with not resigning him and using that capspace to improve the mid6.
But damn was he a great Bruin, fun player to watch, always played with a lot of heart.

Him are Marchand drops the gloves

 

[DominicT]

 

[Over the volcano]

Perfect market for him.

 

[Dr Hook]

Perfect market for him.

If not Detroit, then I hope it's a Western team.

 

[SanDogBrewin]

Yah its gonna be weird/odd to see Krug in a different uniform.

 

[Dr Hook]

Just getting prepared for the inevitable

If it sucks bad enough, we'll have to quarantine y'all in your own thread like we did the 2015 draft complainers

 

[Tmac37]

It's time, but hard to see him go.

 

[Bruinaura]

There are bigger questions too, like:

Who will do the pregame spinning routine with Pasta?

Who will be Marchand's target for the height wars?



Hard to believe Krug will be 30 next year. Feels like he should only be about 25 or 26.

It will be very weird to see him in another uniform.

 

[Deuce17]

We are about to find out if Krug was integral to the powerplay, I think he was.

If the Bruins still have a good powerplay next year, I will be glad to admit I was wrong as I always want the team to do well.

To those that wanted Krug to go and thought his contribution was easily replaceable - if the power play falters next season, I and others get the whole season to complain about the move. No replying, "get over it and move on!"

Krug was a terrific Bruin and I wish him the best.

What if the pp falters but the overall team success grows?

 

[Dr Hook]

What if the pp falters but the overall team success grows?

That is more likely, but even more likely is that the PP might not be as good, but the 5 on 5 play should improve IF they use the money he would have gotten to get someone that can score goals consistently

 

[member 96824]

What if the pp falters but the overall team success grows?

Pretty high bar to clear from this past season:

Best team overall
Best defensive team overall
Best defensive team 5 on 5
Top 10 offense
Top 2 power play.

I’d be surprised if it’s not just moving a buckets of water from the deep end to the shallow end of the same pool but we’ll see..keeping an open mind.

 

[Smitty93]

Pretty high bar to clear from this past season:

Best team overall
Best defensive team overall
Best defensive team 5 on 5
Top 10 offense
Top 2 power play.

I’d be surprised if it’s not just moving a buckets of water from the deep end to the shallow end of the same pool but we’ll see..keeping an open mind.

The problem here is that you're missing the reason they've lost in the playoffs the last three years: 5 on 5 offense, where they were 18th this year and 18th over the past 3 years. It doesn't matter what they do if they don't fix that.

Losing Krug will probably make the powerplay worse. The small sample size says they perform just as well when he's been out (injury or otherwise), but let's just throw out that small sample size and say they'll be worse for this argument.

Krug is the most protected defenseman in the league (i.e. has the most offensive zone starts) and he still isn't a good 5-on-5 defenseman. It's entirely possible that using the money allocated for him on a forward will improve your 5-on-5 offense enough to more than cover the drop in powerplay, and then you add on top of that the fact a strength (5-on-5 defense) will become an even bigger strength.

There's too much talk in this thread about "How will we ever replace Krug on the powerplay?" and "Krug's worth or not worth $X per year for X years" when the talk should be all about what's the best use of that money. While it sucks to say this because he's been a great Bruin, that money can be put to better use on someone other than Krug. Now, do I trust Sweeney to use that money correctly? Not particularly. But you can't go into next year thinking you can just run it back and hope the 5-on-5 scoring issue will be magically fixed. Maybe it backfires, but you have to try something different.

 

[Deuce17]

Pretty high bar to clear from this past season:

Best team overall
Best defensive team overall
Best defensive team 5 on 5
Top 10 offense
Top 2 power play.

I’d be surprised if it’s not just moving a buckets of water from the deep end to the shallow end of the same pool but we’ll see..keeping an open mind.

Not trying to be harsh but Idc about any of those stats I’m talking about making it further then the second round which imo is the only thing that matters.

I understand this will be impossible to quantify but it seems like a lot of ppl are all ready to give ‘I told you so’s‘ if the pp isn’t as effective give next year and it’s just silly to me. The pp almost certainly will take atleast a slight step back but why does that matter. Krug is great on the pp but he’s a nightmare defensively 5v5. Tough series are won and lost 5v5 no?

 

[KillerMillerTime]

Charlie is a good passer also. Not as strong as Gryz, but he's got some game there. Overall you are right though, the D needs to be more active with shots and better passing. This where we can hope the younger guys, either Zboril or Vaak can bring some of that it, Clifton can improve there, he's young, and then one of Ahcan or Zech, both have those skills too.

McAvoy is worst case as good a passer as Griz.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

Krug losing his shot makes the loss easier to take. I think McAvoy can be just fine as a PP1 option.

They should look at Shattenkirk who is pretty good on
the PP. Wouldn't go more than $3M on the guy for
2-3 years and only if they don't get AP.

Sweeney should look into moving Moore to Philly for
Ghost if no Shattenkirk. Ghost probably makes most
sense since he is a LD.

 

[member 96824]

Not trying to be harsh but Idc about any of those stats I’m talking about making it further then the second round which imo is the only thing that matters.

I understand this will be impossible to quantify but it seems like a lot of ppl are all ready to give ‘I told you so’s‘ if the pp isn’t as effective give next year and it’s just silly to me. The pp almost certainly will take atleast a slight step back but why does that matter. Krug is great on the pp but he’s a nightmare defensively 5v5. Tough series are won and lost 5v5 no?

Sure and I’m right there with you..but that’s also a tough hurdle to get over..no team in the league has made the cup finals more than the Bruins since Krug entered the lineup in 2013.

You said you don’t care about the numbers but then mentioned 5 on 5 defense. How do you expect the Bruins to improve there? They were the best defensive team 5 on 5 by a landslide. 105 goals against, next closest was Dallas at 113 and they played one less game.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

The problem here is that you're missing the reason they've lost in the playoffs the last three years: 5 on 5 offense, where they were 18th this year and 18th over the past 3 years. It doesn't matter what they do if they don't fix that.

Losing Krug will probably make the powerplay worse. The small sample size says they perform just as well when he's been out (injury or otherwise), but let's just throw out that small sample size and say they'll be worse for this argument.

Krug is the most protected defenseman in the league (i.e. has the most offensive zone starts) and he still isn't a good 5-on-5 defenseman. It's entirely possible that using the money allocated for him on a forward will improve your 5-on-5 offense enough to more than cover the drop in powerplay, and then you add on top of that the fact a strength (5-on-5 defense) will become an even bigger strength.

There's too much talk in this thread about "How will we ever replace Krug on the powerplay?" and "Krug's worth or not worth $X per year for X years" when the talk should be all about what's the best use of that money. While it sucks to say this because he's been a great Bruin, that money can be put to better use on someone other than Krug. Now, do I trust Sweeney to use that money correctly? Not particularly. But you can't go into next year thinking you can just run it back and hope the 5-on-5 scoring issue will be magically fixed. Maybe it backfires, but you have to try something different.

TB has been his Daddy in the PO. They ran him off the ice in 2018 and he was beaten badly on a key goal in G2
this year.

His best moments the last 3 PO have been against Toronto and he had a good SCF.

More than likely the road will run through TB next
year so its time.

 

[Deuce17]

Sure and I’m right there with you..but that’s also a tough hurdle to get over..no team in the league has made the cup finals more than the Bruins since Krug entered the lineup in 2013.

You said you don’t care about the numbers but then mentioned 5 on 5 defense. How do you expect the Bruins to improve there? They were the best defensive team 5 on 5 by a landslide. 105 goals against, next closest was Dallas at 113 and they played one less game.

Again personally I’m not worried about the micro stats from the regular season. Idc if we finish 7th in the EC I just think Krug is a defensive liability in the playoffs that’s all

 

[member 96824]

The problem here is that you're missing the reason they've lost in the playoffs the last three years: 5 on 5 offense, where they were 18th this year and 18th over the past 3 years. It doesn't matter what they do if they don't fix that.

Losing Krug will probably make the powerplay worse. The small sample size says they perform just as well when he's been out (injury or otherwise), but let's just throw out that small sample size and say they'll be worse for this argument.

Krug is the most protected defenseman in the league (i.e. has the most offensive zone starts) and he still isn't a good 5-on-5 defenseman. It's entirely possible that using the money allocated for him on a forward will improve your 5-on-5 offense enough to more than cover the drop in powerplay, and then you add on top of that the fact a strength (5-on-5 defense) will become an even bigger strength.

There's too much talk in this thread about "How will we ever replace Krug on the powerplay?" and "Krug's worth or not worth $X per year for X years" when the talk should be all about what's the best use of that money. While it sucks to say this because he's been a great Bruin, that money can be put to better use on someone other than Krug. Now, do I trust Sweeney to use that money correctly? Not particularly. But you can't go into next year thinking you can just run it back and hope the 5-on-5 scoring issue will be magically fixed. Maybe it backfires, but you have to try something different.

Even strength scoring definitely is the weak point of this team overall. I don’t think it’s a killer in this newish style league. You look at the top 10 teams even strength this year and last and it’s a very mixed bag.

I also worry cause Bruce’s system relies a lot on the defense to create offense..doesn’t necessarily lead to direct stats on the board as we see for everyone but McAvoy-Krug-Gryz are all essential in driving the puck upwards when on the ice and pinching to keep plays contained in the offensive zone. I’m concerned about the Krug for Zboril or Moore trade off there. I also am not sold on Gryz as a top 4 but I understand most others just think he can take that role no problem.

We’ll see..maybe my worries won’t come to fruition..like I said, keeping an open mind.

but no, Don Sweeney with cap space and a check book is a f***ing moron so I absolutely don’t think they’ll solve the problems effectively. However, that won’t be because they let Torey walk haha