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PTO: [TOR] F Steven Lorentz, Max Pacioretty, and Jon Gillies sign PTOs with the Maple Leafs; 21 others invited to camp

HockeyVirus

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conFABulator said:
That's one way to look at it.

Another would be that he improved a team that finished top ten in the league last year. Did any of the nine teams that finished ahead of the Leafs also improve? As much as the Leafs? Anyone?

The Leafs projected opening night line up this year has the following changes from last year on opening night.

OUT --> IN

Bertuzzi --> McMann
Minten --> Paccioretty
Gregor --> Holmberg
Reaves --> Dewar
Brodie --> Tanev
Klingberg --> OEL
Giordano --> Benoit or Hakanpaa
Samsonov --> Stolarz
Keefe --> Berube

Any other top teams have this good of an off-season?
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People desperate to laugh at the Leafs. Doesn't matter the move someone will laugh at them. Could trade Kampf for McDavid and the usual folks are in here arguing about the salary difference makes them worse or something

CDN24 said:
Realistically on a contender he is a 4th D-man at this point. He will start his 5th year at age 38 and turn 39 3 months in. Not many D-men can still be a top 4 d-man at that point. Here are the list of D-men who played at age 39 last season. (ages below are last year ages)

Mark Giordano - Age 40 status Cooked
Ryan Suter - started season at age 38 turned 39 mid season - bought out by Dallas at end of season ( signed to league min contract with the Blues) Cooked
Brent Burns - started season at age 38 turned 39 mid season - Still effective as a top 4 PP
Alex Goligoski Age 38 - pretty much cooked (no contract this yr)

Thats it, that is the list of guys who played as a 38 yr old or older at some point last year.

The 37 yr olds
Jack Johnson - played for league min last year with Avs (still effective in a bottom pair role) with columbus on league min this yr
Marc Staal Played 35 games with Philly last year. Status done - retired

The back end of that contract will be ugly, only 6 guys played last year at the age he will be in year 4 of his contract, only one Brent Burns was still a top 4 D man.
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We saw several bottom pairing D get 3M this offseason. In what world is 4M 5 years from now an overpayment for a 3rd pair D? That is probably going to be the going rate for any vet bottom pair D by that time if not higher with the cap shooting up.

Assuming he can give us 18 minutes this year and next it's a win.
 
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HockeyVirus said:
People desperate to laugh at the Leafs. Doesn't matter the move someone will laugh at them. Could trade Kampf for McDavid and the usual folks are in here arguing about the salary difference makes them worse or something



We saw several bottom pairing D get 3M this offseason. In what world is 4M 5 years from now an overpayment for a 3rd pair D? That is probably going to be the going rate for any vet bottom pair D by that time if not higher with the cap shooting up.

Assuming he can give us 18 minutes this year and next it's a win.
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Yea, yet you and other delusional fans are acting as if he will make a huge difference for us in the playoffs. Hint: he won’t.
 
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Yea, yet you and other delusional fans are acting as if he will make a huge difference for us in the playoffs. Hint: he won’t.
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You hate the Leafs so not expecting any sort of optimism from you. Tanev 4 months ago was one of the best shutdown D in the league getting props for his play against the Avs and shutting down their stars after being the top saught D at the TDL.

Since then he is a washed up old man who won't help. Only change since then is signing with the Leafs.
 

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conFABulator said:
It made me chuckle too.

The truth is very good teams never win the most improved team award. The Leafs have had a very good off-season
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They did, I would even go as far as to say they have the best and deepest defense that they have had, certainly in the Matthews era, and probably in the last 25 years.

Even the LW which is seen as a weak point, I don't think is a weak point.

Mcmann, Knies and Robertson all scored at least 14 goals last year, Mcmann and Robertson did it in 56 games, if all 3 take a step forwardand baring injury I don't see why they wouldn't .

The LW is fine.
 
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HockeyVirus said:
People desperate to laugh at the Leafs. Doesn't matter the move someone will laugh at them. Could trade Kampf for McDavid and the usual folks are in here arguing about the salary difference makes them worse or something



We saw several bottom pairing D get 3M this offseason. In what world is 4M 5 years from now an overpayment for a 3rd pair D? That is probably going to be the going rate for any vet bottom pair D by that time if not higher with the cap shooting up.

Assuming he can give us 18 minutes this year and next it's a win.
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You are assuming he is still an effective 3rd pair D in 5 years. Not many are at that age. But lets assume he is and lets also assume that the going rate for 3rd pair D is 4.5M then and 3.0M today. How does that fit into a top heavy cap structure like the leafs have. Their current 3rd pair guys do not make 3M.

The AAV of that contract is fine, its the term where all the risk lies.
 
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CDN24 said:
You are assuming he is still an effective 3rd pair D in 5 years. Not many are at that age. But lets assume he is and lets also assume that the going rate for 3rd pair D is 4.5M then and 3.0M today. How does that fit into a top heavy cap structure like the leafs have. Their current 3rd pair guys do not make 3M.

The AAV of that contract is fine, its the term where all the risk lies.
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The top heavy structure is a thing of the past. They have 2/4 contracts expiring this year. They will never have 4 forwards paid like that again. Even if Marner re-signs, the 11M from Tavares and a rising cap (flat cap was the main problem for the Leafs) solves these problems. Leafs absolutely have the ability to spend on D and goaltending and even forward depth going forward.
 
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CDN24 said:
You are assuming he is still an effective 3rd pair D in 5 years. Not many are at that age. But lets assume he is and lets also assume that the going rate for 3rd pair D is 4.5M then and 3.0M today. How does that fit into a top heavy cap structure like the leafs have. Their current 3rd pair guys do not make 3M.

The AAV of that contract is fine, its the term where all the risk lies.
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He either gets LTIR’d the last two years or we buy him out at like 1.5. Neither is ideal but we are trying to win now so you deal with either of those scenarios when the time comes.
 
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TheBeastCoast said:
He either gets LTIR’d the last two years or we buy him out at like 1.5. Neither is ideal but we are trying to win now so you deal with either of those scenarios when the time comes.
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Yeah if we haven't gone on a run to inspire them to keep it together, the team will be very different in 5-6 years anyways. There's a chance the only guy still here in 2030 is Nylander
 

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HockeyVirus said:
People desperate to laugh at the Leafs. Doesn't matter the move someone will laugh at them. Could trade Kampf for McDavid and the usual folks are in here arguing about the salary difference makes them worse or something
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A bit hyperbolic, n'est-ce pas ? Or are you being coy...

HockeyVirus said:
Assuming he can give us 18 minutes this year and next it's a win.
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Any 18 minutes or a good 18 minutes ?
 
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CDN24 said:
You are assuming he is still an effective 3rd pair D in 5 years. Not many are at that age. But lets assume he is and lets also assume that the going rate for 3rd pair D is 4.5M then and 3.0M today. How does that fit into a top heavy cap structure like the leafs have. Their current 3rd pair guys do not make 3M.

The AAV of that contract is fine, its the term where all the risk lies.
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The Leafs are going for it now, not in 5 years.

You have no idea what the leafs cap structure looks like in 5 years, either. Matthews will be over 30 years old, Tavares and Marner’s current contracts will be over way before 5 years from now, and even Matthew’s himself will be on his last year of his deal.

I agree the term stinks, but I don’t think anyone really gives a shit about tanev in 5 years. There are many options that will exist to handle his contract, and if the leafs haven’t won in 5 years they have much bigger issues to solve than tanev’s contract
 

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Suntouchable13 said:
Yea, yet you and other delusional fans are acting as if he will make a huge difference for us in the playoffs. Hint: he won’t.
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That's the thing it doesn't need to be a huge difference.

How many playoff series have they lost literally by 1 goal?

I can think of at least 3 last year included.

If he can score 1 goal that could be the difference
 
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The Shrike said:
Dreger was right, Simmons was wrong, it's as simple as that.
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I have no clue what Simmons said, so I can't tell you if he was right or wrong, but I can say, without a shadow of a doubt, that there were no concerns surrounding an offer-sheet for Nick Robertson and if there were, PTO contracts to other players wouldn't change the situation at all.

Again, Dreger is a clown.
 
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