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And yet Aho has won more rounds of playoff hockey in one year than Matthews has in his career. Sometimes its about winning and not counting stats.
Proposal: [TOR/CAR] Blockbuster: Matthews and Rielly for Slavin and Aho
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The deal was a no the second Slavin was included
He's as untouchable as it gets in this league.
He's as untouchable as it gets in this league.
You think you can replace a Jaccob Slavin? It's impossible.
At least with Matthews, you can generate scoring by committee to approach his impact. You can't really do the same to replace Slavin.
It’s not a bad idea, but Carolina has a good (enough) thing going for them and should be good enough to make it out of the metro for the foreseeable future. They’re not strapped for cap space either, so they would almost certainly be better served adding to their core group that way. I question Matthews’ fit with Carolina’s style, too.
Carolina does this, signs Mitch and JT, trades for Nylander and brings in Shanahan.
Sometimes you gotta load up on a winning core and go for it.
Sometimes you gotta load up on a winning core and go for it.
This isn't about value. It's about how each team views it's future.
I don't know if Toronto does it. They may be looking for a serious change in direction with the seemingly-high likelihood Marner is moving on. Still, it's hard to have an elite prime building block like Matthews and go "Nah. We're going in a different direction."
I don't think Carolina does it. There is almost certainly a shakeup coming this off-season to the Canes core, but I don't think this would be it. It's a little too much change and of guys that play the system RBA coaches pretty well for guys who don't necessarily play that way. I think it's more likely they jettison Kotkaniemi and Burns, let Orlov chase bigger money in UFA, see what kind of 2C they can wrangle out of J. Blake and 1sts, and look for a defensive RHD to pair with Slavin.
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As a Canes fan, I wouldn’t be tempted to do this. Doesn’t make the team better or more successful. They need to add players like this, not swap out the best players we have for them.
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I wouldnt trade Slavin for Matthews at this point, and obviously no one in their right mind would trade Aho for Rielly.
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Matthews will coast until he gets his next contract. Will secure mega millions and then Yashin himself into the sun.
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Toronto would never do this, if Carolina had Matthews and Rielly and Toronto had Aho and Slavin, Carolina would never do the trade, for all his struggles in the playoffs, Matthews is still the best goal scorer in the game, has a calder, 3 rocket richards an MVP and a Ted linsday, he is only 27 and has a long career ahead of him.
Players like him are hard to find, your more likely to find a player like Aho and Slavin then a player with Matthews Skill set and as people are about to find out when Marner walks and gets his huge pay day, the rest of the league is neither scared or bothered at all by elite players who struggle in the playoffs, i know people like laughing at the leafs and Matthews but honestly lol
Players like him are hard to find, your more likely to find a player like Aho and Slavin then a player with Matthews Skill set and as people are about to find out when Marner walks and gets his huge pay day, the rest of the league is neither scared or bothered at all by elite players who struggle in the playoffs, i know people like laughing at the leafs and Matthews but honestly lol
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being a Beast also depends on the opposition in the 1st round or 2nd.
Aho doesnt do as well when he's facing a selke winner, and that should be expected (unless its the Leafs).
neither is McDavid, and he's the true 'beast' in the playoffs, and everyone that gets to line up next to him.
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What is this "fill seats" nonsense?
Also, I'm not sure why Toronto would want Aho in lieu of Matthew's and I don't know why Carolina would want Reilly in lieu of Slavin
Also, I'm not sure why Toronto would want Aho in lieu of Matthew's and I don't know why Carolina would want Reilly in lieu of Slavin
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Matthews and the Leafs have enough of a track record of losing to 'lesser' teams and putting up disappointing results against them also.
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Lol, this is the first season other than vs the Habs that they were the 'favorite' in any playoff series
the Habs also beat every other team (after almost decapitating Tavares) and made it to the Finals.
The Leafs 'should' have won that one regardless, but, the Habs beat every team to the finals too.
the team that beats the Leafs usually goes to the finals and wins/loses the Cup, they have not played 'lesser' teams, and have always had sub-par defense (and still do).
people also like to talk about the Columbus series, BUT, the Leafs were not the favorite, as they had identical records, and that was the absolute worst possible matchup for them. I expected them to lose that series
compare the defense
Columbus:
Werenski
Jones
Gavrikov
Savard
Murray
Harrington
Leafs:
Rielly
Ceci
Holl
Dermott
Barie
Marancin
good lord, Rielly was our best D (and he isnt good on at defense), and he'd rank 3rd at best on the Jackets, and I wouldnt take any other Leafs defender over any of the Columbus D
disappointing, absolutely, unexpected, or lesser teams, big NOPE
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I mean Leafs might have had the same amount of points as the BJackets but they were still the favourites. You're looking at the defense... how about looking at the offense! Also remember that those bubble series were played in Toronto so Leafs had the advantage of legitimately playing at home while everyone else was in quarantine island.
2022 they were the higher seed vs the Lightning and choked that one as well.
To say other than the MTL series they have always been the underdog just isn't true.
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favorites in who's eyes, and according to who?
Defense always trumps (non McDavid) offense in the playoffs
they over achieved, and they were a huge underdog in my opinion.
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Well when it's the Leafs offense, absolutely that's the case but that's also the point. The Leafs SHOULD have been the favourites in these series. Only reason why they wouldn't have been is because of their inability to get things done in the playoffs... and that's because the core 4 (other than Willy) have not performed up to their reg season abilities.
So, they would only be 'underdogs' because of their history of losing in the playoffs so it is deemed a forgone conclusion. How many series leads have they blown in the last 8 years?
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