Rumor: TOR and John Tavares close to a deal: 3 years at 7 million

[TopCheeseShotta]

I love that we have a 15 page thread of people losing their shyt off a non-credible Rumour site that literally has the American "Rumor" tagged right on the Post Headline here.. but hey.. do you/us, I guess...?

Y'all need to back away from the ledge tho. This ain't fact. Even if it were, it's still a steal in a rising cap world where the most recent comparable is Stammers 8M. And that was signed before the cap increase announcement. It's like signing for 9M now.

So, 7M is like the new 6.25M based on the next 3 years of dramatic cap increases.. and that, my punchdrunk friends - is a steal and a half.

 

[Tie Domi Esquire]

If you look up which GM was Florida's trading partner in that trade you may get your answer.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

I’d much rather Tavares at $7M x 3 than lose him.

 

[hullsy47]

Yes: Leafs management.

Tanev was a start .need to move on from marner

 

[thewave]

I’d much rather Tavares at $7M x 3 than lose him.

And if next year he performs like Rielly we can just say?? Oh well, why so mad, it only game.

Spending money on an asset you can't trade and is at high risk of slowing down is not the best of moves. It's better to take a chance on younger guys that could build asset value and be traded.

 

[Racer88]

I love that we have a 15 page thread of people losing their shyt off a non-credible Rumour site that literally has the American "Rumor" tagged right on the Post Headline here.. but hey.. do you/us, I guess...?

Y'all need to back away from the ledge tho. This ain't fact. Even if it were, it's still a steal in a rising cap world where the most recent comparable is Stammers 8M. And that was signed before the cap increase announcement. It's like signing for 9M now.

So, 7M is like the new 6.25M based on the next 3 years of dramatic cap increases.. and that, my punchdrunk friends - is a steal and a half.

We have nothing else to do during the 2 week NHL shutdown

 

[Confucius]

And if next year he performs like Rielly we can just say?? Oh well, why so mad, it only game.

Spending money on an asset you can't trade and is at high risk of slowing down is not the best of moves. It's better to take a chance on younger guys that could build asset value and be traded.

Well you can say that about any player that has a bad year or doesn’t reach projected goals, and it can happen to anybody at any age,. Take a chance on younger guys so you can trade them? Doesn’t sound like a good plan.

 

[Americanadian]

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This might be the best post I’ve ever seen on HFBoards.

 

[notbias]

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Looks like I could be the Leafs' GM.

What is the point of the post? Are you saying I have GM level assessment or that Treliving should not be GM and should just be posting here?

It turns out it was a bad trade and I should have spent more time than a few games watching Huberdeau before making that assessment, Treliving should have likely done the same. If I were actually in the position to make trades, I would spend much more time studying players before ruining a franchise like that.

 

[thusk]

And if next year he performs like Rielly we can just say?? Oh well, why so mad, it only game.

Spending money on an asset you can't trade and is at high risk of slowing down is not the best of moves. It's better to take a chance on younger guys that could build asset value and be traded.

So lets trade for young player at lower level because at the same price you will never get same quality of player except a cap dump or something wrong in the looker room. Let's hope that guy become something better who can really have an impact for sure its better than trading for a veteran with hope he decline not too fast

 

[hamzarocks]

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Not that I agree with 99% of that posters claims

But the Tkachuk trade looked poor for FLO initially by a lot of folks on here. I thought it would be a terrible move for FLO ajd said so on first page of main board thread. Obviously have been proven wrong since then, but that is mostly on Huberdeau for stopping being an elite producer after being dealt

Huberdeau had been a 90+ winger for 4 years with a 115 pt contract year. Was only in late 20s and playoff wise he had produced similarly to Tkachuk at that point (both were disapointing)

Weegar was a great #3D who since has become a top 2D.

1st rounder was expected late 20s and they got some random prospect as a toss in as well.

Now Tkachuk contract wasn't an overpay then or moving forward since he was expected to be a 85-100 pt winger which at 9.5M would be great value. That part of his claim is/was wrong.

Huberdeau falling off right from get go killed the trade for the Flames.

If flames had 80-90 pt Huberdeau they are a playoff team for 2022-2023, 2023-2024 and this season which would make it a good deal for both teams since Tkachuk was walking out and had quit on the flames.

What needs to be learned from this deal is that Marner/Nylander are the huberdeau's in a deal and not a Tkachuk.

Too old, too expensive, and no more upside to improve consistency and production in playoffs.

We missed several chances to deak them both.

2018 holdout and 2023 summer for Nylander

2021 summer, 2023 summer for marner

Held on and likely will be extending marner soon to saddle us with the two of them until mid 2030

 

[Zero1]

Not that I agree with 99% of that posters claims

But the Tkachuk trade looked poor for FLO initially by a lot of folks on here. I thought it would be a terrible move for FLO ajd said so on first page of main board thread. Obviously have been proven wrong since then, but that is mostly on Huberdeau for stopping being an elite producer after being dealt

Huberdeau had been a 90+ winger for 4 years with a 115 pt contract year. Was only in late 20s and playoff wise he had produced similarly to Tkachuk at that point (both were disapointing)

Weegar was a great #3D who since has become a top 2D.

1st rounder was expected late 20s and they got some random prospect as a toss in as well.

Now Tkachuk contract wasn't an overpay then or moving forward since he was expected to be a 85-100 pt winger which at 9.5M would be great value. That part of his claim is/was wrong.

Huberdeau falling off right from get go killed the trade for the Flames.

If flames had 80-90 pt Huberdeau they are a playoff team for 2022-2023, 2023-2024 and this season which would make it a good deal for both teams since Tkachuk was walking out and had quit on the flames.

What needs to be learned from this deal is that Marner/Nylander are the huberdeau's in a deal and not a Tkachuk.

Too old, too expensive, and no more upside to improve consistency and production in playoffs.

We missed several chances to deak them both.

2018 holdout and 2023 summer for Nylander

2021 summer, 2023 summer for marner

Held on and likely will be extending marner soon to saddle us with the two of them until mid 2030

Florida bet on the younger player and won. You need a good front office to find these players and trade for them regardless of how the trade looks on paper.

I guarantee you that if the Leafs were in the same situation, they would have turned down that trade and re-signed Huberdeau to a stupid number.

 

[thewave]

Florida bet on the younger player and won. You need a good front office to find these players and trade for them regardless of how the trade looks on paper.

I guarantee you that if the Leafs were in the same situation, they would have turned down that trade and re-signed Huberdeau to a stupid number.

Exactly. This is what most of these posters do not get. They aren't properly evaluating players in Toronto.

They can not develop or evaluate for trade unless it's a softball no brainer

 

[ToneDog]

Exactly. This is what most of these posters do not get. They aren't properly evaluating players in Toronto.

They can not develop or evaluate for trade unless it's a softball no brainer

Would you trade Marner for Brady? I would but then you get responses like, Brady is not a good captain because he has not led the Sens to the playoffs or that he has not played a playoff game.

Only Dubas and a few of the Marner PR crew do not make that trade. Fact is Brady and Matthew are unicorns and you have to pounce on them when they become available. Unfortunately Dubas would rather trade for Malgin.

 

[thewave]

Would you trade Marner for Brady? I would but then you get responses like, Brady is not a good captain because he has not led the Sens to the playoffs that he has not played a playoff game.

Only Dubas does not make that trade. Fact is Brady and Matthew are unicorns and you have to pounce on them when they become available. Unfortunately Dubas would rather trade for Malgin.

Exactly, yes you do that. These guys would sooner play it safe and rent what they think we need and pay for it down the line. It's a losing strategy.

 

[ToneDog]

Exactly, yes you do that. These guys would sooner play it safe and rent what they think we need and pay for it down the line. It's a losing strategy.

There is a reason why the Rangers soft tampered with Brady and not the pending UFA soft, scared, greedy POS. They were also smarter or luckier to get Miller out of Vancouver than EP40 who's gone off a cliff after signing his big deal. You can't win with small, soft, plyers who are scared of their own shadow.

Marner, Panarin, EP40, Huberdeau etc.

 

[thewave]

There is a reason why the Rangers soft tampered with Brady and not the pending UFA soft, scared, greedy POS. They were also smarter or luckier to get Miller out of Vancouver than EP40 who's gone off a cliff after signing his big deal. You can't win with small, soft, plyers who are scared of their own shadow.

Marner, Panarin, EP40, Huberdeau etc.

Leafs have ADHD. They start out saying their mission is to build a strong, hard hitting, resilient grit and grime team. Then shift to small fast nuhockey after blowing capital before finishing the initial objective. After that when obviously nuhockey failed they start spending more capital on what they think they are lacking. 8 years go by, won nothing and the team has mixed bag depth.

Dumb dumbs

 

[Mentat]

Leafs have ADHD.

I´d say we have Stockholm Syndrome.
Our captors being the high end overpayed talent that underperforms every single year when it matters the most. Nothing changes, year in, year out.
Yet "we" still love them, we still need them here.

 

[thewave]

I´d say we have Stockholm Syndrome.
Our captors being the high end overpayed talent that underperforms every single year when it matters the most. Nothing changes, year in, year out.
Yet "we" still love them, we still need them here.

I think you are right.

I was going to add that actually ADHD people are too smart to do this kinda stuff.

 

[Confucius]

Would you trade Marner for Brady? I would but then you get responses like, Brady is not a good captain because he has not led the Sens to the playoffs or that he has not played a playoff game.

Only Dubas and a few of the Marner PR crew do not make that trade. Fact is Brady and Matthew are unicorns and you have to pounce on them when they become available. Unfortunately Dubas would rather trade for Malgin.

Well Sometimes you win sometimes you lose for example a year ago Anaheim would have got a boatload for Zegras, today he is overpaid and not worth half as much,

 

[I am Canadian]

Too much money, too much term.

5.5M x 3

What is he going to do? Leave Toronto with 3 young kids and a wife? This isn't the time to be nice.

 

[thewave]

Too much money, too much term.

5.5M x 3

What is he going to do? Leave Toronto with 3 young kids and a wife? This isn't the time to be nice.

They treat it as business in negotiations. They want a favor, sprinkle some extra and when the team needs a bit back They put the screws to you more.

Just let her go! She isn't going to change and it's only going to get worse. I swear we drafted a bunch of shitty girlfriends.

Why us. Why

 

[Fogelhund]

why are you so terrified at the thought of letting Mumbles walk , we can just as easily lose in the first rd without him as we have with him

but maybe and this is a scary thought , we can drastically improve without him just like the Islanders did when he walked out on them !

Who is terrified? I'd call it objective evaluation. He's still the best C available, and if he'll come at somewhat of a discount, it's probably worth it. Then find a second good C to upgrade our forwards overall. I believe C is a critical position on the team, far more so than wing. If I'm letting someone go, it's going to be Marner. Far more cap, and I think you can improve the team by paying two good guys, for the one he has.

The reality on the strategy of just letting people go, is you then hope you sign one of the other guys, and in your case, you are focused on Bennett. Suppose we let Tavares go, and Bennett signs elsewhere... and while we are focused on Bennett, Granlund goes elsewhere too. Then what are our choices? Dvorak, Kerfoot, Gourde? Is that who you want for 2C.

It's all well and good to have a desire to just make change, because you want change, but it also has to make the team better, and have a realistic chance of being pulled off. I like depth at C... if you asked me.. I'd take Tavares AND Bennett. Over Bennett and Dvorak(?) I'd take Tavares and Gourde, over Gourde and Kerfoot (?) I'd take Tavares and Duchene.... or even Duchene and Bennett.... but the thing is, you are hoping to sign someone in a competitive Free Agency, and you are competing against 31 other teams. Just because we want someone, doesn't mean we get them. Tavares, if we want him, he's here... no risk in that at all. The key, is signing him to a low enough cap hit, hopefully through deferred cap, that we can sign any one of the better names listed in this post..

That's the thing, it doesn't necessarily have to be either or, it can be both, if we can find a way to make the cap work.

 

[Confucius]

Too much money, too much term.

5.5M x 3

What is he going to do? Leave Toronto with 3 young kids and a wife? This isn't the time to be nice.

I hope Trev reads this, before making Mitch an offer.

 

[thewave]

I hope Trev reads this, before making Mitch an offer.

He would be better off saying we are going a different direction after this and watch the numbers come down and the groveling ensue.

Marner shit the bed. His value just tanked