Prospect Info: Top Shelf Prospects: San Jose Sharks

[SJeasy]

our playoff scoring was lead by our young guys this year. how many leaders are you talking about? burns will need to step up, and probably vlasic offensively for us to have a chance.

I am talking about top 3. At most, it is generally one older player who finds a spot in that group and top 3 forwards (scoring) on winners strongly tend to be homegrown.

I noticed the shift away from JT which kind of confirms the hypothesis. It doesn't hold for defensemen whose performance tends to age well. Homegrown doesn't apply so much to dmen either.

I don't really agree with that because all the teams that have won since the lockouts were teams that went through extensive rebuilds except for Detroit. So a good chunk of the elite offense that played for all those teams were top 10 draft picks for the most part too so as a result they've been mainly young teams that have been winning.

The only thing I can say is that you want the franchise players to contribute especially if they're in their prime and it just so happened that all those teams' franchise players were younger guys.

I don't think happenstance is a good counterargument. There is a reason that the younger guys are winning and it even applied somewhat before the 04 lockout. There is generally a reason behind repeated occurrences.

I agree. There really are no "rules" when it comes to winning the Cup.

If people want the Sharks to replace Thornton, Marleau and Boyle in the draft then the org needs to be drafting top 3-5 for a few years, even then, it's pretty unlikely they're going to find a replacement for Thornton.

There aren't any hard and fast rules but there are trends that approach overwhelming.

Personally, I don't want another Thornton. I want a more shared structure where there is no one "go to" guy. I don't think it is healthy for the team personality and I do think it hurts chances. I want more competition between the top guys.

There are multiple examples of young offensive leaders coming from outside of the top 10 picks particularly if you go back before the 04 lockout. It helps to have top picks but it is far from improbable.

 

[sr228]

I am talking about top 3. At most, it is generally one older player who finds a spot in that group and top 3 forwards (scoring) on winners strongly tend to be homegrown.

I noticed the shift away from JT which kind of confirms the hypothesis. It doesn't hold for defensemen whose performance tends to age well. Homegrown doesn't apply so much to dmen either.

Of the past 5 Cup winners only one team fits your criteria - Boston. However, each of the teams top 2 forwards (scoring) were home grown.

 

[Church Hill]

Thanks for the article. Good to read some opinions that include having seen the players play. Gets me excited for the future of the organization when I read about Hertl and Nieto, as well as Tennyson who I already like a lot.

 

[magic school bus]

Ill take constantly making the playoffs rather then tanking for a few years in hopes that we get lucky in the draft.

There's no luck involved anymore - if you have 1st pick, you're getting a guaranteed star.

 

[whlscowt]

There's no luck involved anymore - if you have 1st pick, you're getting a guaranteed star.

I don't think anythings guaranteed, but the checks and balances that go into drafting a player have certainly changed since the Daigle pick. I mean look at Johnson in 2006--I don't consider him a guaranteed star. I think he's a good player though--certainly has some potential. It all depends on the draft year and what type of quality is at the top of the draft.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Joe Thornton is the best player to ever play for the Sharks more than a couple years (and probably ever). He's not going to be replaced unless we're drafting first overall in a strong year, maybe.

We need to hit on more guys at the Couture level. First step is keeping first rounders. We've done that for the past two years and I don't see that changing at this point as DW has a very realistic view of this franchise and where it's going.

 

[magic school bus]

I don't think anythings guaranteed, but the checks and balances that go into drafting a player have certainly changed since the Daigle pick. I mean look at Johnson in 2006--I don't consider him a guaranteed star. I think he's a good player though--certainly has some potential. It all depends on the draft year and what type of quality is at the top of the draft.

Even then, Toews & Backstrom went 3rd and 4th overall. St. Louis just picked the wrong guy.

The two most recent "bad" 1st picks (if we can say that?) Johnson & Fleury are less likely to happen now because teams have shown they're not as interested in picking defenseman/goalies 1st overall or even in round 1 - with the goalies.

 

[sr228]

IThere aren't any hard and fast rules but there are trends that approach overwhelming.

Personally, I don't want another Thornton. I want a more shared structure where there is no one "go to" guy. I don't think it is healthy for the team personality and I do think it hurts chances. I want more competition between the top guys.

There are multiple examples of young offensive leaders coming from outside of the top 10 picks particularly if you go back before the 04 lockout. It helps to have top picks but it is far from improbable.

Multiple high draft picks can also be seen among several of the cup winners over the past decade.

I have no problem with a shared structure even I disagree with your line of thinking that a 'go to' guy hurts a teams chances but again, a team needs to have high end players to win and the best chance of getting those high end players is with high draft picks.

The Sharks need to keep their 1st round draft picks, however, where they continuously draft year after year isn't likely to net them multiple high end players.

 

[matt trick]

I am not a huge fan of this year's draft. If the 1st can be moved for a young top 6 winger, I'd be open to that, provided they are the right fit.

 

[sr228]

I am not a huge fan of this year's draft. If the 1st can be moved for a young top 6 winger, I'd be open to that, provided they are the right fit.

As of now, the top end of the 2014 draft is very good but ya, it's not looking like a great year to have one of those high draft picks.

 

[Juxtaposer]

As of now, the top end of the 2014 draft is very good but ya, it's not looking like a great year to have one of those high draft picks.

Terrible year to tank. There isn't even a consensus #1 stand-out guy, there's like three who have good chances but aren't really first overall talent, and like 7 guys who could possibly go #1.

 

[210]

Based on an in-depth study the Sharks 2013 draft is a total bust because not a single one of those players has played in the NHL, nor is even close to playing in the NHL. Total. Failure.

 

[hohosaregood]

Based on an in-depth study the Sharks 2013 draft is a total bust because not a single one of those players has played in the NHL, nor is even close to playing in the NHL. Total. Failure.

I AGREE!!!!! ABSOLUTE GARBAAGE! THAT MUELLER KID'S JUST GONNA END UP LIKE HIS BROTHER PETER WITH THE CONCUSSIONS AND WHO NEEDS A KID RELATED TO ANNA PAQUIN AND BRUCE BOUDREAU! THAT'S FRIGGIN NEPOTISM AND HAS NO PLACE IN HOCKEY! RAAAARGH...ahem... excuse my outburst

 

[210]

Recent drafting has not been good as the Sharks have not had a single pick from the 2009, 2010, 2011, or 2012 drafts play a single NHL game as a San Jose Shark

Out of boredom just now I decided to look up some stuff.

From the 2012 draft only 8 players have played in the NHL so far. For 2011, that number jumps to 21. It's 41 for the 2010 draft, but of those 41 players 24 have played less than 30 NHL games.

 

[do0glas]

Out of boredom just now I decided to look up some stuff.

From the 2012 draft only 8 players have played in the NHL so far. For 2011, that number jumps to 21. It's 41 for the 2010 draft, but of those 41 players 24 have played less than 30 NHL games.

figures