Speculation: Top Quantity for Quality Trades where Qty side won?

[Starat327]

Lindros trade. Colorado/Quebec won that one, I'd say.

This is probably the best example, as much as it pains me to admit it.

The Flyers certainly made out OK, and Lindros was the cornerstone of a team that was pretty good to dominant for a long stretch. But that trade set Quebec up for quite a bit of success.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Staal trade with Car and Pitt. Seems like nice haul for Pitt.

Dumo
Sutter/Bonino
Pouliot

Kind of hard to say "Pens clearly won" though.

Pouliot has yet to break into the NHL full time. Sutter was an OK 3C who the Pens quickly moved on from. Dumoulin ended up being the best piece and, while he's done well, he is only in his 2nd NHL season. Jordan is still the best player by a decent margin.

 

[JohnnyJacket13]

I wouldn't say CBJ got the best of this. They have only reached the playoffs once since this was made and you only have Dubinsky left over. Anisimov was strong and has done very well at Blackhawks but I think this trade wasn't a huge success for Columbus.

Nash helped the Rangers to continuous playoff appearances including SCF and ECF as well as having a 40 goal season. His form has dipped recently but the only thing missing here is a Stanley cup itself.

I understand what you're saying, but the overall culture of the organization has changed for the better since this trade. Just ask any CBJ fan. This trade gave the Jackets some MUCH needed depth at center.

Also, Anisimov was the centerpiece going back to Chicago in the trade for Brandon Saad, so in a way, Nash helped the team acquire Saad.

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

Herschel Walker

 

[nilan30]

Is qty quality or quantity? I can't wrap my head around this.

 

[Paradise*]

is this a joke or are you serious?

He's serious.

Jets have won that trade for now and still have 2 more future pieces playing in the AHL (Roslovic and Lemieux).

 

[ponder719]

An underappreciated Flyers example:

Feb. 9, 1995: Flyers trade Mark Recchi & 1995 3rd (Martin Hohenberger) to Montreal Canadiens for Eric Desjardins, John LeClair, and Gilbert Dionne.

Recchi was a good player for Montreal in his roughly 4 full years there, averaging a little under a point per game. MTL made the playoffs three times, never getting past the conference semis, and Philly reacquired Recchi in 1999. Hohenberger was nothing.

LeClair and Desjardins, meanwhile, were critical components of the Flyers until the mid-2000s, and both were inducted into the Flyers Hall of Fame. Dionne was related to a Hall of Famer, so that's nice for him.

 

[nilan30]

An underappreciated Flyers example:

Feb. 9, 1995: Flyers trade Mark Recchi & 1995 3rd (Martin Hohenberger) to Montreal Canadiens for Eric Desjardins, John LeClair, and Gilbert Dionne.

Recchi was a good player for Montreal in his roughly 4 full years there, averaging a little under a point per game. MTL made the playoffs three times, never getting past the conference semis, and Philly reacquired Recchi in 1999. Hohenberger was nothing.

LeClair and Desjardins, meanwhile, were critical components of the Flyers until the mid-2000s, and both were inducted into the Flyers Hall of Fame. Dionne was related to a Hall of Famer, so that's nice for him.

I'm not sure they wouldn't have been considered quality at the time of the trade though.

 

[wgknestrick]

Lindros Trade

 

[ponder719]

I'm not sure they wouldn't have been considered quality at the time of the trade though.

I always looked at it as if you're adding multiple pieces together to get one player, they're the quantity, and the other guy's the quality. I don't think the 3rd going with Recchi changes that structure significantly.

 

[nilan30]

I always looked at it as if you're adding multiple pieces together to get one player, they're the quantity, and the other guy's the quality. I don't think the 3rd going with Recchi changes that structure significantly.

Fair enough

 

[Ziggdiezan]

Jeff Carter trade is probably the best example.

 

[SI90]

Can't believe no One has mentioned Richards for Schenn and Simmonds. That has to be one of the best. Flyers turned Carter and Richards into 4 core players.

 

[ponder719]

Can't believe no One has mentioned Richards for Schenn and Simmonds. That has to be one of the best.

That one's trickier, because while the Flyers ended up with significantly better players, the Kings did win a couple Cups with Richards, and while he wasn't the driving factor in winning them, he was a useful piece. That's more of a win-win trade than a "quantity side won" deal.

 

[SI90]

That one's trickier, because while the Flyers ended up with significantly better players, the Kings did win a couple Cups with Richards, and while he wasn't the driving factor in winning them, he was a useful piece. That's more of a win-win trade than a "quantity side won" deal.

That is a tricky one. But considering Richards is nowhere to be found and Simmonds is a top line 30 goal scoring winger on a heck of a deal and Schenn is a really good top 9 forward I'd say Philly won. I don't believe Richards was the difference in LA winning or losing a cup. Yes, he was part of a cup and LA Likely has no regrets I still think they would be better off with Schenn and Simmonds

 

[Menzinger]

That one's trickier, because while the Flyers ended up with significantly better players, the Kings did win a couple Cups with Richards, and while he wasn't the driving factor in winning them, he was a useful piece. That's more of a win-win trade than a "quantity side won" deal.

But in abstract value it ended up being a pretty big win for the Flyers.

 

[Telos]

That is a tricky one. But considering Richards is nowhere to be found and Simmonds is a top line 30 goal scoring winger on a heck of a deal and Schenn is a really good top 9 forward I'd say Philly won. I don't believe Richards was the difference in LA winning or losing a cup. Yes, he was part of a cup and LA Likely has no regrets I still think they would be better off with Schenn and Simmonds

Richards was absolutely vital in the 2012 win, especially during the Vancouver series as well as being big in the St. Louis series, but he was less of a factor in the 2014 win, but was still a solid player for us.

 

[Chandrashekhar Limit]

Kessel for Kapanen, Harrington, Spaling, Matthews

 

[Steddy33]

He's serious.

Jets have won that trade for now and still have 2 more future pieces playing in the AHL (Roslovic and Lemieux).

Yeah. It was 3 pieces for 5 pieces and there were no superstars. Hardly what I would consider quantity for quality. But yes I would agree Winnipeg.

 

[Starat327]

That is a tricky one. But considering Richards is nowhere to be found and Simmonds is a top line 30 goal scoring winger on a heck of a deal and Schenn is a really good top 9 forward I'd say Philly won. I don't believe Richards was the difference in LA winning or losing a cup. Yes, he was part of a cup and LA Likely has no regrets I still think they would be better off with Schenn and Simmonds

I'm nitpicking here, but Schenn is a "top-9 forward"? Technically he fits the description, but he's easily a top 6, and produces in top 30 for his position, general speaking.

Also, Richards was a huge part of the first cup win in LA. Not as big a factor in the 2nd, but had a pretty vital role in the first.

 

[robbieboy3686]

Often, many people share the opinion the team getting the best player in a trade, wins the trade. That is often correct.

What are some examples of Quality for Quantity where the Qty side came out the winner ?

As a Ducks fan, and with Noesen scoring his 1st NHL goal last night, the Ryan trade (Silf, Noesen and the pick that was used for Ritchie) is obviously a great one.

Any others in the past 15-20 years or so that spring to mind ?

Note: I don't count the Lindros trade as that had very specific circumstances.

As I read this heading, this is the exact trade I was going to reference

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Can't believe no One has mentioned Richards for Schenn and Simmonds. That has to be one of the best. Flyers turned Carter and Richards into 4 core players.

IMO, that's not really a "Quality" vs. "Quantity" trade though? Schenn was a 4th OA pick and Simmonds had put up 40 points the prior season.

That was more of a "youth/potential" for established player type trade. Almost like a deadline deal but done during the offseason where a team trades young assets for a chance to win now.

 

[Stubu]

Kessel for Kapanen, Harrington, Spaling, Matthews

Well done.

 

[Coach Parker]

Can't believe no One has mentioned Richards for Schenn and Simmonds. That has to be one of the best. Flyers turned Carter and Richards into 4 core players.

Didn't L.A. win a Cup or two?

 

[Frank Drebin]

Yep, .

-Jackets fan.

To lose two trades, in the same year, involving the same player. Damn.