Top 5 players all time for big 6 countries

[Slapshot Sultan]

Can 1. Gretzky 2. Lemieux. 3. Orr 4. Howe 5. Richard

USA 1. Hull 2. Modano 3. Kane 4. Roenick 5. Chelios

Swe 1. Forsberg 2. Lidstrom 3. Karlsson 4. Sundin 5 Sedins

Fin 1. Selanne 2. Kurri 3. Koivu. 4. Tikkanen 5. Lehtinen

Cze 1. Jagr 2. Hasek 3. Elias 4. Hejduk 5. Straka

Rus 1. Ovechkin 2. Malkin 3. Fedorov 4. Datsyuk 5. Bure

Top of my head. Lets see yours?

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[Narow]

Can 1. gretzky 2. lemieux 3. Orr 4. Howe 5. Crosby

Usa 1. Hull 2. Modano 3. Kane 4. Gaudreau 5. Matthews

Swe 1. Lidström 2. Forsberg 3. Sundin 4. Karlsson 5. Sedins

Fin 1. Selänne 2. Kurri 3. Reijo routsalainen (look him up) 4. S.koivu 5. Kiprusoff

The other 2 same as yours.

 

[Randyne]

Rus 1. Ovechkin 2. Datsyuk/Malkin 4. Fedorov 5. Bure
others the same

 

[bottomofthefoodchain]

Lindbergh? One Vezina doesnt make him our best player. Not even our best goalie.

 

[SenzZen]

Including Orr, Howe, Richard doesn't hide the fact that this "all time" list is really post-1980...

 

[Slapshot Sultan]

Knew I was forgetting some. like Karlsson and Datsyuk. I'll edit..

Gotta admit, I know Ruotsalainen, but not much about him. He can't be third on the finns though. Isn't Numminen a better D-man?

 

[Slapshot Sultan]

Including Orr, Howe, Richard doesn't hide the fact that this "all time" list is really post-1980...

Lets see yours? I doubt you can put any pre 1980 players on the Finns, Swedes or Czechs? Not too sure about the USA. For Russia you could probably take some soviet players, but they have pretty stacked forward group on the list already.

 

[The Macho King]

Canada: 1 - Gretzky 2- Orr 3 - Howe 4 - Lemeiux 5 - Hull

USA: 1 - Hull 2 - Kane 3 - Modano 4 - Chelios 5 - IDK, Leetch?

Sweden: 1 - Lidstrom, 2 - Forsberg 3 - Sundin 4 - Karlsson 5 - Salming

Finland: Don't know enough. 1 Selanne is all I have

Czechoslavakia/Cz Rep: 1 - Hasek 2 - Jagr 3-5 Don't really know enough to make a call after this

Russia: 1 - Fetisov 2 - Ovechkin 3 - Makarov 4 - Tretiak 5 - Fedorov

 

[Rexor]

CZE: 1 - Jágr 2 - Hašek 3 - Martinec 4 - Eliáš 5 - Hlinka

 

[Tall Morty]

Canada: 1 - Gretzky 2- Orr 3 - Howe 4 - Lemeiux 5 - Hull

USA: 1 - Hull 2 - Kane 3 - Modano 4 - Chelios 5 - IDK, Leetch?

Sweden: 1 - Lidstrom, 2 - Forsberg 3 - Sundin 4 - Karlsson 5 - Salming

Finland: Don't know enough. 1 Selanne is all I have

Czechoslavakia/Cz Rep: 1 - Hasek 2 - Jagr 3-5 Don't really know enough to make a call after this

Russia: 1 - Fetisov 2 - Ovechkin 3 - Makarov 4 - Tretiak 5 - Fedorov

Please elaborate

 

[The Macho King]

Please elaborate

I think Fetisov was better than Ovechkin. Ovechkin is terrific, but has had no playoff success or international success. Hell, he only has 3 WC golds despite playing pretty much every year and being the best player on the ice. Meanwhile Fetisov may be the best international player ever and dominated in the Soviet league.

 

[Noldo]

Lets see yours? I doubt you can put any pre 1980 players on the Finns, Swedes or Czechs? Not too sure about the USA. For Russia you could probably take some soviet players, but they have pretty stacked forward group on the list already.

For Swedes a case could be made for Salming.

For Czechs Druzilla and Holezec could be considered.

For Finns Ylönen (depending how you value ability vs. relative role compared to peers), potentially Hagman. With Finns you have Selänne and Kurri, then Tikkanen and Lehtinen and fifth spot is wide open (Ruotsalainen, Kiprusoff, S. Koivu, Numminen or one from the older generations)

 

[Tall Morty]

I think Fetisov was better than Ovechkin. Ovechkin is terrific, but has had no playoff success or international success. Hell, he only has 3 WC golds despite playing pretty much every year and being the best player on the ice. Meanwhile Fetisov may be the best international player ever and dominated in the Soviet league.

That's fair. I never saw Fetisov play, so I can't comment really. All I can base it on is stat lines, which are inherently an incomplete picture.

 

[vancityluongo]

Canada
Gretzky, Orr, Lemieux, Howe, Shore

USA
Chelios, Modano, Hull, Kane, Leetch

Sweden
Lidstrom, Forsberg, Salming, Karlsson, H. Sedin (homer)

Russia
Fetisov, Ovechkin, Makarov, Malkin, Kharlamov/Tretiak

Finland
Kurri, Selanne, Lehtinen, Tikkanen, Numminen

Czech
Jagr, Hasek, Elias, Hejduk, Havlat/Sykora

 

[The Missing Piece]

I think in 10 years Laine will be on Finland's list and in 12 years Matthews will be on USA's.

 

[DearDiary]

Where's Matthews? How many Americans have scored 40 goals in their 1st season and carried their team to the playoffs? He's doing it against this season.

 

[djpatm]

Where's Matthews? How many Americans have scored 40 goals in their 1st season and carried their team to the playoffs? He's doing it against this season.

Jesus man.

You don't make the top 10 over players like Modano, Hull, Roenick, Housley, Mullen, Weight, Leetch, Lafontaine, Chelios, Amonte, Leclair, Mcnab, Kane and plenty of others who have PPG or Near PPG careers with close to or over 1000 points and multiple cups and awards because you had a 69 point rookie season and lost in the first round.

Get a grip.

 

[Regal]

That's fair. I never saw Fetisov play, so I can't comment really. All I can base it on is stat lines, which are inherently an incomplete picture.

From what I gather, a number of people considered him the best or at least on par with the NHL's best in the early 80's. A Bourque/Potvin type at his best.

 

[Rexor]

That's fair. I never saw Fetisov play, so I can't comment really. All I can base it on is stat lines, which are inherently an incomplete picture.

Gretzky said Fetisov was the best defenceman he ever played against.

Yeah I know.

 

[RageQuit77]

Finland
Kurri, Selanne, Lehtinen, Tikkanen, Numminen

Not bad top 5.

Total Regular season NHL stats by Finns: 43576 GP, 6826 Goals, 12455 Assists, 19281 Points
These 5 players have combined:
5826 GP, 1889 Goals, 2747 Assists, 4636 Points
--->
13.37% of all regular season games played by Finns
27.67% of all regular season goals scored by Finns
22.06% of all regular season assists scored by Finns
24.04% of all regular season points scored by Finns

Then we could continue to the playoffs stats of these 5...

 

[Combat Koala]

Where's Matthews? How many Americans have scored 40 goals in their 1st season and carried their team to the playoffs? He's doing it against this season.

I like your sense of humor

 

[Esq]

Where's Matthews? How many Americans have scored 40 goals in their 1st season and carried their team to the playoffs? He's doing it against this season.

Yeesh. He's not even in the top 15 right now.

 

[Voight]

Can 1. Gretzky 2. Orr. 3. Howe 4. Lemieux 5. Hull/Roy

USA 1. Hull 2. Modano 3. Kane 4. Chelios 5. Lafontaine

Swe 1. Forsberg 2. Lidstrom 3. Sundin 4/5 Sedins

Cze 1
Jagr 2. Hasek 3. Elias 4. Hejduk 5. Reichel

1. Ovechkin 2. Fetisov 3. Tretiak 4. Fedorov 5. Datsyuk/Bure

Fin - 1. Selanne 2. Kurri 3. Timmonen 4. Kipprusoff 5. Tikkanen

 

[Atas2000]

Lets see yours? I doubt you can put any pre 1980 players on the Finns, Swedes or Czechs? Not too sure about the USA. For Russia you could probably take some soviet players, but they have pretty stacked forward group on the list already.

That's the problem with your list. You think the russian group is stacked while probably not one of them would make the all-time top 5 list.

1.Kharlamov 2.Bobrov 3.Tretiak 4.Makarov 5.Fetisov

And the top 3 is not debatable.

 

[Atas2000]

From what I gather, a number of people considered him the best or at least on par with the NHL's best in the early 80's. A Bourque/Potvin type at his best.

Bourque/Potvin?

As far as I can remember he was the only one who played for the soviet national team as a 17y.o. as a defenceman.

And at 18 he was pretty much a prime Lidstrom and got better after that obviously.