Top 5 (22 and under): NJD vs MTL vs DET vs OTT vs BUF vs ANA

[SpezDispenser]

lol, some hot takes in here.

 

[NyQuil]

Even then, the Sens don't make up the ground in the under-22 core. Ottawa has a bright future but NJ has the better players listed.

That's fine.

You can get all kinds of different results based on what you set the age limit at.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

That's fine.

You can get all kinds of different results based on what you set the age limit at.

Norris + DeBrincat not being listed hurts them but we would also gain Hischier in the age group like I said I like the Sens future but it's just tough to beat out the Devils with how high they've been drafting. Also doesn't mean anything until these guys show up. It's just conversations on what they can be, not what they are.

 

[swiftwin]

Good for him, I never disparaged Stutzle so I don't know what your whole attitude is about. If you think Stutzle is going to be a superstar then that's fine too, I just need to see it from him and do what Hughes did before I call him one.

I don't know what your attitude is about. I literally just repeated what you said.

 

[John Pedro]

Uhhhhh.... The Sens list also has two NHLers, with Stutzle on a superstar trajectory, and Tkachuk being the only one in the entire poll with 30 goals in a season....

Hughes scored 26 goals in 49 games, much higher rate than Tkachuk

 

[swiftwin]

Hughes scored 26 goals in 49 games, much higher rate than Tkachuk

Ok? You're comparing the wrong player. Stutzle scored at a much higher rate than Hughes when Hughes was Stutzle's age.

 

[Patagonia]

NJD is deeper. Comparing the top 2 could vary by season or injuries, adding the other young players separates themselves from the other teams.

 

[swiftwin]

Norris + DeBrincat not being listed hurts them but we would also gain Hischier in the age group like I said I like the Sens future but it's just tough to beat out the Devils with how high they've been drafting. Also doesn't mean anything until these guys show up. It's just conversations on what they can be, not what they are.

Norris and DeBrincat both have 40+ goals in their last 82 games. It's a little bit more than just "hurts them". Hischier doesn't even come remotely close to that.

 

[BananaGenetics]

23 and Ottawa adds Norris.

24 and Ottawa adds Batherson and DeBrincat.

Basically their entire top six is 24 and under.

Norris - or Hischier and Bratt?

23 and under would make this unfairly lopsided to NJ.

 

[NyQuil]

Norris - or Hischier and Bratt?

23 and under would make this unfairly lopsided to NJ.

Ok, and 24 and under adds Batherson and DeBrincat, or 58G 64A for 122PTS in 128GP.

That’s what happens with these arbitrary cutoffs.

 

[John Pedro]

Ok? You're comparing the wrong player. Stutzle scored at a much higher rate than Hughes when Hughes was Stutzle's age.

sure, as did Lucas Raymond

doesn't mean we should expect Raymond to be a better NHLer. Hughes came into the league as a child, in a team with very little offensive talent. His struggles had more to do with being a 1st overall that made the jump from USHL to the NHL than not being good at the time. He always flashed his elite skill even though he didn't get on the scoreboard.

Stutzle probably gonna be a star, but his early production shouldn't be use in a comparasion against Jack Hughes. There's very few players in the NHL that can challenge Hughes in terms of skill, skating and ability to simply spent a entire shift running circles around a entire NHL team.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Norris and DeBrincat both have 40+ goals in their last 82 games. It's a little bit more than just "hurts them". Hischier doesn't even come remotely close to that.

Don't forget Bratt like I did originally, lol.

 

[Jersey Fresh]

Ok? You're comparing the wrong player. Stutzle scored at a much higher rate than Hughes when Hughes was Stutzle's age.

Are you predicting 1.14 ppg for Stutzle next season?

 

[NyQuil]

Are you predicting 1.14 ppg for Stutzle next season?

Hopefully he’ll play more than half a season.

Otherwise we’re comparing paces again.

I do predict that he will score more than 56 points.

 

[Jersey Fresh]

Hopefully he’ll play more than half a season.

Otherwise we’re comparing paces again.

I do predict that he will score more than 56 points.

So is that a yes or a no?

 

[NyQuil]

So is that a yes or a no?

No.

Are you predicting 1.14 from Hughes this season?

 

[Adele Dazeem]

Grieg and Pinto are not flashy enough names for these hypebeasts. Ottawa is either the best or a close second to New Jersey.

 

[NyQuil]

Grieg and Pinto are not flashy enough names for these hypebeasts. Ottawa is either the best or a close second to New Jersey.

Well, that and they have virtually no NHL experience.

 

[Jersey Fresh]

No.

Are you predicting 1.14 from Hughes this season?

Got it. Assuming that’s the case, the whole “Stutzle’s first two seasons compare favorably” (all that ignored context I mentioned earlier aside) won’t count for much.

Don’t see why I wouldn’t. He’s already put that production on paper over a half season plus, and he’s only getting better. New Jersey likely has a more effective PP after getting rid of Mark Recchi and Hamilton being healthy, too.

 

[NyQuil]

Got it. Assuming that’s the case, the whole “Stutzle’s first two seasons compare favorably” (all that ignored context I mentioned earlier aside) won’t count for much.

Don’t see why I wouldn’t. He’s already put that production on paper over a half season plus, and he’s only getting better. New Jersey likely has a more effective PP after getting rid of Mark Recchi and Hamilton being healthy, too.

I’m always a bit leery about pace extension arguments.

If Hughes plays close to a full season and falls short of 1.14, that won’t account for much either in retrospect.

Batherson was over a PPG until his injury but I’m not necessarily going to assume he will put up that kind of production as fewer games allow for hot streaks to have more impact.

 

[Jersey Fresh]

I’m always a bit leery about pace extension arguments.

If Hughes plays close to a full season and falls short of 1.14, that won’t account for much either in retrospect.

Batherson was over a PPG until his injury but I’m not necessarily going to assume he will put up that kind of production as fewer games allow for hot streaks to have more impact.

Of course it will. If Stutzle doesn’t pace Hughes ‘21-‘22 season that entire line of argument goes out the window, regardless of what Hughes does or doesn’t do. It’s up to Stutzle to prove the same linear development - that’s been the argument trotted out here time and time again.

 

[McJedi]

Turn it 23 and under and its more obvious.

Then you bring Cale Makar into the conversation and Makar + Byram alone makes the Avs easy number 1.

Back to 22 and under and wow. Eastern conference has a lot of promise. Buffalo sneaky good. Time for them to win some games.

 

[NyQuil]

Of course it will. If Stutzle doesn’t pace Hughes ‘21-‘22 season that entire line of argument goes out the window, regardless of what Hughes does or doesn’t do. It’s up to Stutzle to prove the same linear development - that’s been the argument trotted out here time and time again.

It’s hard to prove linear development if Hughes doesn’t maintain his 1.14 PPG.

People will just cite the fact that he put up good stats for 60% of a season but that it was unsustainable over a larger sample.

Whether it’s an outlier or predictive will be judged over time.

 

[Xirik]

Then you bring Cale Makar into the conversation and Makar + Byram alone makes the Avs easy number 1.

Uhhhh....no?

 

[Jersey Fresh]

It’s hard to prove linear development if Hughes doesn’t maintain his 1.14 PPG.

People will just cite the fact that he put up good stats for 60% of a season but that it was unsustainable over a larger sample.

Whether it’s an outlier or predictive will be judged over time.

Then Stutzle’s first two seasons are even more worthless. He hasn’t touched production anywhere in the same universe as Hughes over any amount of games.