Top 10 defensemen

[PaulD]

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/ottawa-senators/players/by-the-numbers-no-skater-in-the-nhl-has-accrued-more-value-than-ottawa-senators-defenceman-thomas-chabot

30 games in the fall is a good little start.
it's the 300 before that that keep him out of my top 20 D
And everyone's top 10.

 

[Phrasing]

I keep hearing that Fox isn't the same guy this year (from Rangers fans) and that's part of the problem in New York.

Small sample size. He has a Norris and multiple nominations.

 

[PaulD]

I keep hearing that Fox isn't the same guy this year (from Rangers fans) and that's part of the problem in New York.

when the team stinks this bad.....you always have to look at the core.
Fox's rep and how he is playing this season - huge gap

 

[benfranklin]

Without looking at others posts first:

1. Cale Makar

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2. Zach Werenski
3. Adam Fox
4. Josh Morrissey
5. Quinn Hughes
6. Roman Josi
7. Victor Hedman
8. Rasmun Dahlin
9. Douglie Hamilton
10. Miro Heiskanen

HM
Slavin for actual defense
Toews for balanced, non-pp
McAvoy
Sergachev
Bouchard for PP specialist
Carlson for old man still doing it

 

[mphmiles]

I think Fox is being unfairly punished for the Rangers being such a mess in general right now. Virtually anyone he plays with is completely underwater when they're out there on the ice without him.

NYR 2425 Fox With-or-Without You

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[Machinehead]

I think Fox is being unfairly punished for the Rangers being such a mess in general right now. Virtually anyone he plays with is completely underwater when they're out there on the ice without him.

NYR 2425 Fox With-or-Without You

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Not to mention

 

[mphmiles]

Not to mention

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Yeah, what Lindgren does to Fox's numbers when paired with him vs. without him the last two years is a war crime.

 

[Machinehead]

I keep hearing that Fox isn't the same guy this year (from Rangers fans) and that's part of the problem in New York.

He's not having his best year, but he went from like, 1B in the world to the clear #3. It's not that deep.

Any Rangers fan that suggests anything beyond that hates him because he's short.

 

[nowhereman]

Without looking at others posts first:

1. Cale Makar

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2. Zach Werenski
3. Adam Fox
4. Josh Morrissey
5. Quinn Hughes
6. Roman Josi
7. Victor Hedman
8. Rasmun Dahlin
9. Douglie Hamilton
10. Miro Heiskanen

HM
Slavin for actual defense
Toews for balanced, non-pp
McAvoy
Sergachev
Bouchard for PP specialist
Carlson for old man still doing it

Hughes is the best defenseman in NHL. And Werenski, Fox and Morrissey are not on his level.

 

[Hallonbroder]

Like, this season, or? If it’s this season, what’s Fox doing on these lists? If it’s in general, what’s Werenski doing on them?

Right now, I think it’s between Hughes and Heiskanen (this season)

 

[benfranklin]

Hughes is the best defenseman in NHL. And Werenski, Fox and Morrissey are not on his level.

I disagree strongly compared to Makar.

The other 3 I can see the argument. Hughes is more offensive, but the others IMO arent far behind and drastically better defensively.

Like, this season, or? If it’s this season, what’s Fox doing on these lists? If it’s in general, what’s Werenski doing on them?

Right now, I think it’s between Hughes and Heiskanen (this season)

You argument is decent at first looking at this season only, then sure the Rangers woes have dragged Fox down a bit. Can say the same about teh Blue Jackets in general. They've never been good and Werenski is the one consistent bright spot there and especially this season.

But then you double down on Heiskanen who offensively is having an awful season compared to his peers.

So no idea what you're going off of. A mix of the past 5 years and this season?

 

[nucks88]

Without looking at others posts first:

1. Cale Makar

intentional space

2. Zach Werenski
3. Adam Fox
4. Josh Morrissey
5. Quinn Hughes
6. Roman Josi
7. Victor Hedman
8. Rasmun Dahlin
9. Douglie Hamilton
10. Miro Heiskanen

HM
Slavin for actual defense
Toews for balanced, non-pp
McAvoy
Sergachev
Bouchard for PP specialist
Carlson for old man still doing it

Appears you made this list without looking at any hockey games first as well….

 

[benfranklin]

Appears you made this list without looking at any hockey games first as well….

Feel free to argue it without being an obvious Canucks fan who will make it a Makar vs Hughes thing.

I feel like I went at it objectively looking at analytics, both offense and defense, zone start %'s, this year and the previous few years, as well as hypothetically if theyre underachieving or overachieving because of the teams they are on (Dahlin on the Panthers or Hughes on the Sharks).

 

[Czechboy]

Hughes
Makar
Fox
Werenski
Morrissey
Slavin
Heiskanen
Dahlin
Josi
Theodore

HM: Andersson, Bouchard, McAvoy, Hedman in that order.

I'm going to Echo this list.. pretty much what I'd say.

Is Dobson on a down year (I don't follow the Isles)... felt like he was making some of these lists last year.

 

[Flynn84]

Who’s on your list.

I'm not watching enough hockey these days to make a proper list)
A lot of statwatching only helps in evaluating defs for fantasy leagues.

 

[benfranklin]

I'm not watching enough hockey these days to make a proper list)
A lot of statwatching only helps in evaluating defs for fantasy leagues.

Easy to stat watch too and make a best dman list without taking into account actual defense. Not saying you, but many posters. IE Bouchard anywhere on any list.

 

[lordtrillson]

Driving me insane people are putting Bouchard on some of these lists and faber no where to be seen

 

[Rowlet]

Driving me insane people are putting Bouchard on some of these lists and faber no where to be seen

Wait until the playoffs, there's just too many teams to watch everyone. That's when people take note.

 

[nucks88]

Feel free to argue it without being an obvious Canucks fan who will make it a Makar vs Hughes thing.

I feel like I went at it objectively looking at analytics, both offense and defense, zone start %'s, this year and the previous few years, as well as hypothetically if theyre underachieving or overachieving because of the teams they are on (Dahlin on the Panthers or Hughes on the Sharks).

Well keep fighting your fight …. The vast majority of hockey fans disagree with your assertions but you do you….Makar and Hughes have distanced themselves from the rest of the pack significantly…this isn’t a discussion regarding just them it is a list of the top 10 Dmen…

 

[Fantast100]

Makar
Fox
Q. Hughes
L. Hughes
Josi
Hedman
Heiskanen
Werenski
Morrissey
Dahlin

 

[Ace of Hades]

1. Quinn Hughes
2. Cale Makar
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3. Adam Fox
4. Miro Heiskanen
5. Roman Josi
6. Josh Morrisey
7. Jaccob Slavin
8. Charlie McAvoy
9. Viktor Hedman
10. Zach Werenski