Friedman: Too many teams trying to sell, not enough teams buying

[WhatWhat]

If teams want a player bad enough, they will pay the price.

But when there are more sellers than buyers, the sellers will lower the price on their piece so the buyers actually buy their guy instead of passing on them. Thats just basic economics.

 

[rent free]

good. hopefully rentals don't get extremely high prices

 

[bert]

Pierre Dorion, Peter Chiarelli, Marc Bergevin effect.

They will see the headline and proceed to give away assets for lower than market value at an astounding rate. Friedman is clearly on the leafs payrole here

 

[boredmale]

2014 was another year that was another clear buyers market, I remember the Penguins got Stempniak and Goc for 2 3rds that year, which is very cheap for 2 pretty solid rentals.

There were a lot of cheap deals at that deadline, to be honest. Hemsky for a 3rd and 5th when he was on about a 40 point pace is pretty low. Gaborik was traded for Frattin and a 2nd, which was very cheap too. There were also not that many trades for a deadline and only 1 1st round pick traded (in the Miller to St. Louis deal.

I could be wrong but I think part of the blame for Vanek's terrible return was a cheap owner. I am guessing if Wanger ate half the contract there might have been a couple more teams interested.

Didn't help Montreal made the conference finals which devalued that 2nd rounder even more

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

So Holden should have cost less than a prospect and 3rd.

Edmonton might be able to acquire multiple first round picks for Kris Russell.

 

[5cotland]

Or they'll look elsewhere for comparable players. You can't have a house comparable to houses that cost 200k and list for 500k. You'll either lower your price or stick with your property.

Well there are no comparable players on the block that Nash at the moment.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Well there are no comparable players on the block that Nash at the moment.

There are a bunch of comparable players to Nash that are available. Pacioretty, Hoffman and Kane are just 3 that immediately jump to mind.

 

[Chainshot]

And yet Jerabek lands a 5th.

 

[Vipers31]

If teams want a player bad enough, they will pay the price.

Sure. But when more teams are selling, the odds that someone wants one specific player "bad enough" go way down. That's the point.

If you're thinking about the Rangers' situation specifically: it probably doesn't change much for McDonagh, because there isn't many comparable assets out there. But for Nash/Grabner, more players being available certainly makes it tougher to dictate a price.

 

[5cotland]

There are a bunch of comparable players to Nash that are available. Pacioretty, Hoffman and Kane are just 3 that immediately jump to mind.

Kane - Behave

Hoffman and Patches are not UFA’s and will cost considerably more.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

Every year you hear how it's a seller's market. Nice that it's the other way around for once.

 

[molon labe]

What is interesting about these hockey'nomics is the fact that most rentals have not worked out historically - yet still NHL GM's want top dollar for them as if they're holding on to true aces who will ensure a teams' playoff success. This is just a typically hypocritical topic to discuss.

The recent Detroit move was perhaps the most sensible of the season. Yeah the dude was/is a legit #1 - but so was his contract, so admit your doing addition by subtraction and move on.

 

[bert]

Kane - Behave

Hoffman and Patches are not UFA’s and will cost considerably more.

Not to mention are much better players at this point and are substantially younger.

 

[haveandare]

Kind of strange if true since the league is fairly open right now. A pretty big number of teams could be realistic contenders if they bought a good piece or two.

 

[Dr Danglefest]

Maybe we will see a lot more teams take on cap dumps to get what they originally set out to get back in a trade for a given player

 

[Team Cozens]

Good timing for us.

If the Leafs are looking for a winger then yes.
Also seems like a winger wouldn't be an upgrade over the replacement? IE - Trade JVR and then get Patches?
Is that really an upgrade......

If they are looking for defense, get in line!! Those aren't on sale.

 

[5cotland]

What is interesting about these hockey'nomics is the fact that most rentals have not worked out historically - yet still NHL GM's want top dollar for them as if they're holding on to true aces who will ensure a teams' playoff success. This is just a typically hypocritical topic to discuss.

The recent Detroit move was perhaps the most sensible of the season. Yeah the dude was/is a legit #1 - but so was his contract, so admit your doing addition by subtraction and move on.

There can only be 1 winner my friend. Of course they wont all work out but contending teams see the trades as a way to improve their team.

Every team battling in the playoffs wants to have the best possible chance of winning the cup.

Buying at the TDL is always a risk as the prices are inflated but for the team that wins, the overpay was worth it.

 

[5cotland]

Not to mention are much better players at this point and are substantially younger.

Name a much better Rental than Rick Nash at this TDL?

 

[NotYou]

This was obvious a week ago

 

[CrypTic]

Kind of strange if true since the league is fairly open right now. A pretty big number of teams could be realistic contenders if they bought a good piece or two.

In the West at least, I think it's wide open but that's bc there are many teams that have more than one hole to fill. If they're missing one piece, it's something like a 1C, which they aren't going to get. If the prices are high, you may as well roll the dice on your current team rather than trade futures to get something that isn't going to really fix the problems. It doesn't help that so many players on the market are wingers.

 

[bert]

Name a much better Rental than Rick Nash at this TDL?

I was agreeing with you read the post again. I was just making another point that Hoffman and Pacioretty are also better younger players so they will demand substantially more.

 

[Brock Radunske]

Yep.
Everyone also seems to be dumpster-diving for depth.

It's a bad year to try to off-load pieces. I'm looking at you, NYR/Habs/Sens

 

[Hunter368]

Name a much better Rental than Rick Nash at this TDL?

Value is partially linked to need.....value can’t be determined in a bubble. Nash will be more valuable to some then others.....personally to the Jets as an example I would have very little interest in Nash b/c he doesn’t offer us much vs his reported cost.

 

[CodeE]

Garth needs to take advantage of this market after waiting it out for so long. Both 1sts off the table completely and the 2nds shouldn't be cheap either. Absolutely need to add at least one defenseman and use the Mrazek trade as reference when looking for a goalie.

 

[DatSnipeMatthews]

Name a much better Rental than Rick Nash at this TDL?

JVR.