Tony DeAngelo's contract with SKA St. Petersburg is terminated

[Toby91ca]

I don't know a ton about the KHL, but I do know someone (Ontario, early 20s), played OHL, never drafted to NHL, signed an AHL contract, but barely managed to stick there....went to down to ECHL, got back up a bit with AHL and then this year, left to play in the KHL and produces more there.

 

[tfwnogf]

Oilers is the team to go for redemption arcs. Tony come on down!

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Not surprised tbh

You knew something personal about his family?

 

[TheBeerNerd]

When someone who's a known locker room cancer like De Angelo or JT Miller claims "family" or "mental health" as an excuse to leave a team, I think it's valid to not simply take their excuses at face value.

 

[WarriorofTime]

I don't know a ton about the KHL, but I do know someone (Ontario, early 20s), played OHL, never drafted to NHL, signed an AHL contract, but barely managed to stick there....went to down to ECHL, got back up a bit with AHL and then this year, left to play in the KHL and produces more there.

I consider the KHL and AHL to be pretty comparable, with the main difference being there's a few marginal guys in the KHL that could probably make the NHL if they were in a team's system (not necessarily like they'd play 2nd line, just that they could hang around the bottom of a roster) whereas everyone in the AHL would presumably already be in the NHL since the AHL is the NHL's farm league, this is most obvious with prospects who will get called up if they are playing well in the AHL, but are under contract with no affiliation while in the KHL... and that that the development player rule artificially keeps the AHL down a bit compared of it were just a true North American 2nd Division. The AHL also just has a lot of day to day inefficiencies with drafted prospects always getting preferential treatment in terms of ice time (which may have been the case with your friend, who knows). It's pretty hard for Undrafted AHL-Contract players, they have to be that much better than the 3rd or 4th round pick on the same team.

Right now, with all of the Swedish and other European defensemen that had to leave, it may be easier for a Canadian or American Defenseman to make a mediocre KHL team (like your friend) than the AHL. That's always been a heavily imported role in the KHL.

 

[Tasteless Beaver]

Damn, I thought Tony and Russia were made for each other. Where are all the Tony defenders at? He’s running out of job opportunities and needs your help!

 

[koyvoo]

What’d he do now?

 

[Nogatco Rd]

You knew something personal about his family?

Did you read the article?

Family is a common reason given for cancelling a KHL contract. In November, ex-NHLer Linden Vey left Avangard Omsk “to manage family issues” only to sign with Swiss club Fribourg-Gottéron 10 days later.
[…]
There has been speculation of a rift with head coach Roman Rotenberg, who benched DeAngelo for the third period of Saturday night’s 5-4 loss to Dynamo Moscow, apparently due to his on-ice play.

“It was a hockey situation, as I said, and he is no different from other players,” Rotenberg was quoted after the game by Sport-Express.ru. “That’s why he didn’t play. There are no secrets here.”

 

[Nikolajs Sillers]

 

[JPT]

Exactly. Why does anyone even care about this chud anymore?

 

[Cas]

Exactly. Why does anyone even care about this chud anymore?

People living vicariously through their chosen one's success.

 

[Toby91ca]

I consider the KHL and AHL to be pretty comparable, with the main difference being there's a few marginal guys in the KHL that could probably make the NHL if they were in a team's system (not necessarily like they'd play 2nd line, just that they could hang around the bottom of a roster) whereas everyone in the AHL would presumably already be in the NHL since the AHL is the NHL's farm league, this is most obvious with prospects who will get called up if they are playing well in the AHL, but are under contract with no affiliation while in the KHL... and that that the development player rule artificially keeps the AHL down a bit compared of it were just a true North American 2nd Division. The AHL also just has a lot of day to day inefficiencies with drafted prospects always getting preferential treatment in terms of ice time (which may have been the case with your friend, who knows). It's pretty hard for Undrafted AHL-Contract players, they have to be that much better than the 3rd or 4th round pick on the same team.

Right now, with all of the Swedish and other European defensemen that had to leave, it may be easier for a Canadian or American Defenseman to make a mediocre KHL team (like your friend) than the AHL. That's always been a heavily imported role in the KHL.

Not my friend, I said someone I know rather than the long version being my wife's best friend's daughter's boyfriend. He's much younger than me.

That said, I do have a friend, beyond playing days now (mid-40s) where I do have a bit of insight around how things work NHL vs. AHL, etc. He was a high end player, drafted high (around 30th overall) into NHL, played in the NHL at 19 before hurting his knee....like 20 game in or something. He then had a very hard time getting back. A lot of it had to do with the business side....two-way contracts vs. one-way contracts. He was a much, much better player than some guys in the NHL (offensively for example)....that's where, if you are the type of player he was, you aren't going to be brought up to the NHL to play on the 4th line like a grinder. You are either going to have room to take a spot on the 2nd line or you are going to stay in the AHL....easy to keep a guy like that in the AHL due to two-way contract. He did get back up here and there, but probably played less than 50-60 games in the NHL over his career....but it got to a point....late 20's, when he ended up going to Europe as there is more money there than the AHL....but if goal is to crack the NHL, you stick around in the AHL. So, I suspect a lot of the KHL is Russians who aren't at the level to play in the NHL + guys that played a bit in the AHL that weren't going to make it as full-time NHLers.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Not my friend, I said someone I know rather than the long version being my wife's best friend's daughter's boyfriend. He's much younger than me.

That said, I do have a friend, beyond playing days now (mid-40s) where I do have a bit of insight around how things work NHL vs. AHL, etc. He was a high end player, drafted high (around 30th overall) into NHL, played in the NHL at 19 before hurting his knee....like 20 game in or something. He then had a very hard time getting back. A lot of it had to do with the business side....two-way contracts vs. one-way contracts. He was a much, much better player than some guys in the NHL (offensively for example)....that's where, if you are the type of player he was, you aren't going to be brought up to the NHL to play on the 4th line like a grinder. You are either going to have room to take a spot on the 2nd line or you are going to stay in the AHL....easy to keep a guy like that in the AHL due to two-way contract. He did get back up here and there, but probably played less than 50-60 games in the NHL over his career....but it got to a point....late 20's, when he ended up going to Europe as there is more money there than the AHL....but if goal is to crack the NHL, you stick around in the AHL. So, I suspect a lot of the KHL is Russians who aren't at the level to play in the NHL + guys that played a bit in the AHL that weren't going to make it as full-time NHLers.

Yes, generally a Russian guy will come over to North America, play out their ELC when they are waiver-exempt, if they are not in an established NHL spot by the end of their contract, they often will go back home at that point. A North American guy will likely hang around, sign 2-way deals, go through waivers multiple times in the hopes of making it back. From there, a few will crack into NHL depth roles post-waiver exempt years maybe after being waived a time or two. Every so often, one breaks through to become a high impact player. Swedish/Finnish/Czech guys are somewhere in-between those two sets. Some North Americans stick around even further and occupy the AHL Veteran player slots, while a few go over to Europe.

At a given moment, it's difficult to ascertain how many KHL players "could" be in the NHL because there's no open tryout each year and much of it based on circumstance. A random player nobody but Hawk or KHL fans has heard of named Artur Kayumov was a 2nd round pick that never signed in the NHL and had a KHL breakout in his mid-20s. It's certainly possible had he been hanging around all that time that he would have had a shot at cracking the Hawks Tank Rosters for instance in a depth role, but by the time he was at that caliber, the moment had more or less passed and there's not a ton of incentive to chase a guy on the other side of the planet to get a 11th/12th/13th/14th veteran forward when you can just plug in a Mackenzie Entwistle from your AHL roster already.

 

[1989]

I guess I expected the top players to be Russian players who would be good enough to play in NHL but decided to not do so because they want to stay home, not NHL rejects.

Look up Nigel Dawes and be in awe of who can dominate the KHL. 5-foot-9 waiver fodder who never played a full season's worth of games for any one team in his NHL tenure.

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[Finlandia WOAT]

chud

 

[ReHabs]

Look up Nigel Dawes and be in awe of who can dominate the KHL. 5-foot-9 waiver fodder who never played a full season's worth of games for any one team in his NHL tenure.

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The KHL is slower than the NHL so high-skill guys who lack the agility, athleticism, or mental quickness needed to thrive in the NHL get to really flex over there. Different league, different expectations.

 

[TheBeard]

Tony is the Evander Kane of Sean Averys

 

[KJoe88]

oof

 

[Fitzy]

Look up Nigel Dawes and be in awe of who can dominate the KHL. 5-foot-9 waiver fodder who never played a full season's worth of games for any one team in his NHL tenure.

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I hate that you use Dawes as an example, because I think he's a perfectly good hockey player who just didn't fit the NHL game well, but I get the point. Plenty of not great players shred the KHL. Some great NHL players are surprisngly pedestrian in the KHL.

 

[Snuggs]

Sergie Zubov dominated the league for two years, old, and on a leg with no ACL.

Should have kept his head straight and mouth wired. DeAngelo could have made a really good career there.

 

[MVP Zacha]

He is going to come back and dominate in the FPHL.

 

[Ciao]

So if Team A signs TDA, they have to put him on waivers and the team with a successful waivers claim -- if any -- then gets his contract?

Uh, what would be the point of signing him?

At best, you get a waivers-level player.

At worst, you get nothing but the cash payment that @uncleben would report.

 

[Moose Head]

So if Team A signs TDA, they have to put him on waivers and the team with a successful waivers claim -- if any -- then gets his contract?

Uh, what would be the point of signing him?

You hope nobody claims him. I guess you could put some unattractive contract terms in there to dissuade other teams from claiming him.

 

[tmg]

So if Team A signs TDA, they have to put him on waivers and the team with a successful waivers claim -- if any -- then gets his contract?

Uh, what would be the point of signing him?

At best, you get a waivers-level player.

At worst, you get nothing but the cash payment that @uncleben would report.

That’s the conundrum of any such other league player. They’re only worth bringing over if nobody else would touch them, which for TDA might be relevant .

Minnesota just did this with Dylan Ferguson. Signed him, had to pass him through waivers and hope nobody else would scoop. Nobody did.

 

[MisterT]

If the prize of a waiver claim is TDA, he passes through waivers.