For me it was purely the "no defneceman can be paid more than Bieksa" rather than Ehrhoff specifically. It blocked them off from acquiring any more high end defencemen.
But we're way off topic at this point.
Prospect Info: Tom Willander: 11th Overall 2023 Draft (Rogle BK J20) - Part 02
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For me it was purely the "no defneceman can be paid more than Bieksa" rather than Ehrhoff specifically. It blocked them off from acquiring any more high end defencemen.
But we're way off topic at this point.
ChilliBilly
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I posted this elsewhere:
We are set on D next year with a top 4 of
Hughes Hronek
MP Myers or EP2
And then a mix of
Myers or EP2 Mancini Forbert and Willander.
And KK and Mynio in the wings. Someone is getting traded to help up front.
The problem is that Hughes is not likely to get traded, Hronek MP and Myers have NTC. And none of the others have any trade value in a trade near to what we believe they are really worth.
BUT there is likely real value for Willander. I wonder if part of what is going on is that the Canucks are seriously considering trading him. I would hate to see it, but both sides may be worried that there is no place for him to play with the Canucks next year and I doubt he wants to play for Abby. Then the bonus money is completely irrelevant.
We are set on D next year with a top 4 of
Hughes Hronek
MP Myers or EP2
And then a mix of
Myers or EP2 Mancini Forbert and Willander.
And KK and Mynio in the wings. Someone is getting traded to help up front.
The problem is that Hughes is not likely to get traded, Hronek MP and Myers have NTC. And none of the others have any trade value in a trade near to what we believe they are really worth.
BUT there is likely real value for Willander. I wonder if part of what is going on is that the Canucks are seriously considering trading him. I would hate to see it, but both sides may be worried that there is no place for him to play with the Canucks next year and I doubt he wants to play for Abby. Then the bonus money is completely irrelevant.
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Just another indication of the general dysfunction of this front office that they can't get their top prospect signed to a fairly standard ELC.
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I have to feel there’s more to the story, something offensive was said, I know I hate speculation, but come on. It has to be more than just signing bonuses, no chance it’s only about signing bonuses.
me2
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Myers won't be around long term. Injuries injuries happen so there are likely to rhd spots available at various times even. If he can't beat out mancini, this year or next, it'd be disappointing. I doubt see this as a major issue.
I'm going to wait until the WC is done and we will see. They will sign him or they are intending to trade him for a forward. A this point i doubt there is anything to worry about.
WTG
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If they want to sign a 13 million dollar player in the off-season they need every single dollar they can get. That's the story.
How much longer before we hear "the fans won't accept this kind of behaviour, they have no patience for players like this"
Screw up and then say they did it because of the pressure from the fans. Owner does it. Management does it. Media does it. It's like a get out jail free card.
Screw up and then say they did it because of the pressure from the fans. Owner does it. Management does it. Media does it. It's like a get out jail free card.
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I think most fans are pissed off at management not the player.
From every report, it’s the Canucks not offering what they should be, and lowballing.
Of course that’s the agent and player speaking, but still it’s been confirmed by Rick
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What reports have quantified anything other than the $200K gap?
$750k per season (average) of "A"s is about what he's due based on draft position (and performance) ...Dvorsky drafted 10th got an average of $783K.
If he's asking for $1MM per in each of the 3 year ELC and is threatening to return to BU (which he absolutely did but seems to have backtracked from a bit) if he doesn't get them it's a shitty look.
Lekkerimaki got a bonus consistent with his draft position, why on earth would they give it to him and not Willander? it makes no sense....so it's probably not the case. Why Willander wouldn't sign a fair ELC is the bigger head scratcher IMO.
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Gillis destroyed our own window. We were never the same after Ehroff left.
I would have dumped Ballard, free up the cap room to sign ehrhoff. We could have contended for another 2 years.
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Subject: Help Tom Willander Join the Canucks! - $1 from Each Fan!
Canucks Nation,
We have a fantastic opportunity to bring our recent top draft pick, the incredibly promising Tom Willander, into the fold. He's eager to join the team and contribute to our future success.
As you know, even with ownership diligently managing the team's finances amidst their own struggles earning only billions annually – an amount that wouldn't even begin to cover the astronomical costs of interstellar travel, let alone get a spaceship to Mars, which is simply not an acceptable expenditure for the organization – we're just a bit short of the funds needed to cover Tom's initial onboarding costs.
We believe in Tom's potential, and we know you, the best fans in the NHL, share our excitement. That's why we're asking for your help:
The $1 for Willander Drive!
If every Canucks fan contributed just $1, we could secure 200k to ensure Tom's place with the team right away. This is a chance to directly support a key part of our future and ease the financial burden on ownership during these tight times when even dreaming of space exploration is financially out of reach.
Chip in here: [Link to donation platform]
Let's show Tom and the league the power of Canucks Nation! Every dollar counts.
Thank you for your incredible support.
Sincerely,
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Canucks Nation,
We have a fantastic opportunity to bring our recent top draft pick, the incredibly promising Tom Willander, into the fold. He's eager to join the team and contribute to our future success.
As you know, even with ownership diligently managing the team's finances amidst their own struggles earning only billions annually – an amount that wouldn't even begin to cover the astronomical costs of interstellar travel, let alone get a spaceship to Mars, which is simply not an acceptable expenditure for the organization – we're just a bit short of the funds needed to cover Tom's initial onboarding costs.
We believe in Tom's potential, and we know you, the best fans in the NHL, share our excitement. That's why we're asking for your help:
The $1 for Willander Drive!
If every Canucks fan contributed just $1, we could secure 200k to ensure Tom's place with the team right away. This is a chance to directly support a key part of our future and ease the financial burden on ownership during these tight times when even dreaming of space exploration is financially out of reach.
Chip in here: [Link to donation platform]
Let's show Tom and the league the power of Canucks Nation! Every dollar counts.
Thank you for your incredible support.
Sincerely,
The Vancouver Canucks Organization
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I meant that the narrative created, in this case by management, will be that the player has issues and that the fans won't accept that kind of behaviour so of course he has to be traded. etc.
I meant it tongue in cheek, but as it happens like this so often, I wouldn't be surprised to see this eventually pop up. A narrative is created and then blamed as coming from the fans.
"Fans won't accept a rebuild" etc
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at this moment I still can't believe we are having this conversation. I don't believe this management in this incompetent. The thing about hiring Toronto Born executive is that they don't care about the team. JR is just here for a gig. He's just f i n happy he has a management role despite he should actually be in a nursing home. Deep down inside hes probably a laffs fan, and and that he couldn't really care less if we sign Willander or not. It be nice, but he doesn't give a shit.
the last time we failed to sign a 1st rounder was R.J Umberger because Brian Burke is a stubborn old man over few hundred thousand dollars. Didn't want to get it done. Eastern Boy R.J Umberger still wanted to be part of the new core of Sedins, coming up the pipe line, we didn't get it done, joke of a f in management team we have right now. Alvin, and JR. you guys need to go.
the last time we failed to sign a 1st rounder was R.J Umberger because Brian Burke is a stubborn old man over few hundred thousand dollars. Didn't want to get it done. Eastern Boy R.J Umberger still wanted to be part of the new core of Sedins, coming up the pipe line, we didn't get it done, joke of a f in management team we have right now. Alvin, and JR. you guys need to go.
Vancouver_2010
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i know, just get it done already, seriously being a canucks fan seriously drain your life's happiness, should be an avs fan instead.
The org is more dysfunctional than my d.
Signing your top prospect to a standard ELC is about as easy as it gets,
and yet here we are.
Signing your top prospect to a standard ELC is about as easy as it gets,
and yet here we are.
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This season, or calendar year, is ending almost the way it started. Injuries; dressing-room dysfunction; roster turmoil and a playoff miss just a year after winning the Division.
And now it's continuing into the off-season. Becoming increasingly unlikely their coach will be back; and for some mysterious reason they can't seem to get Wilander's on an entry-level contract. To cap it all off, in his end of season presser, the President says it's unlikely they'll be able to re sign Quinn Hughes, unless they can find a way to trade for his brothers.
Just one of those years, I guess. And all the goodwill this management group built up last year; has flattened like a burst balloon this season.
That's why it's becoming increasingly difficult to get pumped up for either the draft or free agent frenzy. I just want to see a stake driven through the heart of this truly awful 2024-25 season.
And now it's continuing into the off-season. Becoming increasingly unlikely their coach will be back; and for some mysterious reason they can't seem to get Wilander's on an entry-level contract. To cap it all off, in his end of season presser, the President says it's unlikely they'll be able to re sign Quinn Hughes, unless they can find a way to trade for his brothers.
Just one of those years, I guess. And all the goodwill this management group built up last year; has flattened like a burst balloon this season.
That's why it's becoming increasingly difficult to get pumped up for either the draft or free agent frenzy. I just want to see a stake driven through the heart of this truly awful 2024-25 season.
I do think it's about more than the signing bonus structure. Hence I pointed to the general dysfunction of this front office.
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We would have dumped Ballard if he signed. The issue was he didn’t want to sign for the same contract that bieksa signed. They were both offered the same contract and Bieksa signed Erhoff didn’t.
PuckMunchkin
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This is how I view that situation as well.
Give your self a timeout from this thread you naughty boy!
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Makes me wonder if his agent is the one that sees the lack of urgency and is pushing for more. Canucks have already been putting their resources into Tom and have supported him all this time; development staff has a great relationship with him. Would be really odd to single him out and low ball him all of a sudden. We have to remember that front offices have long relationships with agents, and there is a history here with Todd Diamond and Allvin, and Allvin has to know pretty well how Todd operates.
Todd Diamond is Lankinen's agent. All last summer, Lankinen was rumoured to the Canucks and, while talking about that after signing Lank's new deal, Diamond is quoted as saying "Between July 2nd and September 21st when we signed, I spoke to nobody on planet earth more than I spoke with Patrik Allvin. We (Todd and Lankinen) were just waiting out the market seeing if anything would materialize, obviously nothing materialized. Vancouver wanted Kevin, we determined it was the best landing spot." (Donnie and Dhali)
First of all, kind of crazy to think Allvin held out all summer with his low offer for Lankinen, and we were that close to not signing him. Seems like we are in a similar situation here again.
Someone remind me, do we applaud Allvin for sticking to his guns with Lankinen? Genuinely asking. In hindsight, Allvin looks pretty clever and shrewd, but given how nervous I get at the thought of missing out on Lankinen, I'd be more than alright had he thrown him a couple hundred k to lock him down early.
I get some negotiation in this context, and I assume both sides have dug in, but at this point, management should just concede. The money doesn't matter and will be well earned if paid out, and holding firm out of "principle" where doing so potentially sours the relationship with your top prospect, is just dumb. The fact that Willander didn't insist or try to burn a year is great and he should be rewarded solely on that basis IMO.
The only explanation that makes any sense is management has committed to trade him for forward help and ownership doesn't want to be on the hook for his signing bonus.
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