Prospect Info: Tom Willander: 11th Overall 2023 Draft (Rogle BK J20) - Part 02

[StreetHawk]

Honestly I don't mind this if you think you're a true contender, and we looked like one for a large chunk of last season.

The picks hemorrhage during the Benning years is something else entirely imo.

Just means you need to nail the ones you kept, which sadly they didn’t.

 

[MS]

wish this regime will hit on more players beyond the first round though. Hoglander is really the only success story. EP(D) can be. I fall asleep wishing we have the level of success Gaglardi has with his scouting dept.

This is the full list of players taken in rounds 2-7 since this regime took over who are playing regularly in the NHL in 24-25 :

Lane Hutson

Nobody has established hits in that range right now. Dallas' picks rounds 2-7 actually look worse than ours.

 

[credulous]

This is the full list of players taken in rounds 2-7 since this regime took over who are playing regularly in the NHL in 24-25 :

Lane Hutson

Nobody has established hits in that range right now. Dallas' picks rounds 2-7 actually look worse than ours.

matt poitras? tristan luneau?

victor mancini, isaiah george and seamus casey too, with asterisks

 

[MS]

matt poitras? tristan luneau?

victor mancini, isaiah george and seamus casey too, with asterisks

4 of those 5 guys are currently in the AHL and George is only in the NHL because NYI has 3-4 defenders injured.

 

[IComeInPeace]

In case this hasn’t already been posted/referenced from Drance’s Athletic article yesterday:

“The Canucks are also delighted about Tom Willander’s progress this season, and his evolution as a more comfortable and dynamic attacking presence from the back end in his sophomore season at Boston University. The club will likely push to sign him after the conclusion of his NCAA season.“

 

[VanJack]

In case this hasn’t already been posted/referenced from Drance’s Athletic article yesterday:

“The Canucks are also delighted about Tom Willander’s progress this season, and his evolution as a more comfortable and dynamic attacking presence from the back end in his sophomore season at Boston University. The club will likely push to sign him after the conclusion of his NCAA season.“

Given the holes on the Canucks blueline, it would have to qualify as a 'big disappointment' if he isn't signed and in the Canuck lineup by mid-March.

 

[Raistlin]

I hope he signs, but I dont really need him to suit up full time for the big club until 2026 playoff run.

 

[MS]

Odds of him signing and going straight onto our roster at the end of the season are probably 98%.

 

[beachcomber]

Odds of him signing and going straight onto our roster at the end of the season are probably 98%.

I'm bullish on this kid so I'll say 99%. Lol. He will be a stud.

 

[Raistlin]

Odds of him signing and going straight onto our roster at the end of the season are probably 98%.

what will most likely happen and what I wish will happen is so often divergent IRL.... overcooking Edvinsson and Faber proved to be a good call.

 

[RobertKron]

Odds of him signing and going straight onto our roster at the end of the season are probably 98%.

Yeah, IIRC that's basically what his coach said the plan was before last year.

IMO, basically for any player of this profile it's a sign that something has gone sideways if they're not coming out at the tail end of their second season out there. Not necessarily a disaster, but that tends to be the path.

 

[Raistlin]

Yeah, IIRC that's basically what his coach said the plan was before last year.

IMO, basically for any player of this profile it's a sign that something has gone sideways if they're not coming out at the tail end of their second season out there. Not necessarily a disaster, but that tends to be the path.

I think defensive dmen should have an adjusted timeline than say wingers. but I get that the big club is literally dying for the services of a guy with his profile.

 

[RobertKron]

I think defensive dmen should have an adjusted timeline than say wingers. but I get that the big club is literally dying for the services of a guy with his profile.

I mean obviously every case is going to be different, but regardless of position I can't think of many guys over the past decade or so taken in the top half of the first round who spent more than two seasons in the NCAA. That seems to overwhelmingly be the development path for players in which teams are investing top picks. I'd imagine it's at least in part because if a team is spending a top pick on a player, they think they're basically pretty close already and they expect that player to be ready to move into a pro schedule sooner than later.

Edit: I looked and going back to 2010, unless I missed someone (which is entirely possible as I didn't look super hard), it's just Derek Forbort (15OA 2010) and I guess Matthew Wood (15OA 2023 - if you count him, since he played his first NCAA season his draft year and is still there now in his D+2).

 

[logan5]

Damn. 6 goals scored for B.U. in a win over Merrimack, and Willander not 1 point.

 

[Bobby9]

Wonder if he’s visiting w the team during their stop.

 

[StreetHawk]

Odds of him signing and going straight onto our roster at the end of the season are probably 98%.

Will be burning an elc year when he signs. So 100% he goes into the main roster.

 

[F A N]

Will be burning an elc year when he signs. So 100% he goes into the main roster.

He could sign and have his ELC start next year. That's not likely of course. These signings tend to be more focused on putting some money in the player's pockets. There are pros and cons to burning a year off of a player's ELC.

 

[credulous]

Wonder if he’s visiting w the team during their stop.

he's in belfast for the friendship four already

 

[StreetHawk]

He could sign and have his ELC start next year. That's not likely of course. These signings tend to be more focused on putting some money in the player's pockets. There are pros and cons to burning a year off of a player's ELC.

He's a high enough prospect that they basically get to burn a year. I think only the likes of a Shane Bowers did an elc the way you mentioned. Others probably like that too, but not the high end guys.

There are pros and cons, but typically more pros.
Get to RFA earlier, but burning eliminates OS opportunities. Only have 2 years to showcase yourself, otherwise, most likely doing a bridge, though Beniers burned and had a sophomore slump and still got 7 years for over $7 mill. So, depends on player and team.

No change in UFA timeline either way, as he hits ufa in 2032 regardless.

 

[F A N]

He's a high enough prospect that they basically get to burn a year. I think only the likes of a Shane Bowers did an elc the way you mentioned. Others probably like that too, but not the high end guys.

There are pros and cons, but typically more pros.
Get to RFA earlier, but burning eliminates OS opportunities. Only have 2 years to showcase yourself, otherwise, most likely doing a bridge, though Beniers burned and had a sophomore slump and still got 7 years for over $7 mill. So, depends on player and team.

No change in UFA timeline either way, as he hits ufa in 2032 regardless.

I've never taken issue with burning a year off a prospect's ELC. I know some posters still get really worked up about these things but it really is the cost of doing business these days. I also think it's important for the Canucks to gauge whether they can pencil in Willander for a spot on the roster next season.

 

[VanJack]

I've never taken issue with burning a year off a prospect's ELC. I know some posters still get really worked up about these things but it really is the cost of doing business these days. I also think it's important for the Canucks to gauge whether they can pencil in Willander for a spot on the roster next season.

I've never taken issue with burning a year off a prospect's ELC. I know some posters still get really worked up about these things but it really is the cost of doing business these days. I also think it's important for the Canucks to gauge whether they can pencil in Willander for a spot on the roster next season.

If the Canucks didn't have any problem with letting Cole McWard, Aiden McDonough and I believe also Jack Rathbone, burn off a year of their ELC with late-season NHL games, I doubt they'd much care if Wilander did the same.

 

[StreetHawk]

If the Canucks didn't have any problem with letting Cole McWard, Aiden McDonough and I believe also Jack Rathbone, burn off a year of their ELC with late-season NHL games, I doubt they'd much care if Wilander did the same.

with those guys, they were all going to the AHL in the next season, so spending almost all of the elc in the A, thus when their deals were up, they wouldn't be up for a deal that was much different than an ELC contract.

When you have the Boeser's, Hughes, coming off elc that's a bigger deal. But, part of doing business. Even Ana burned Gauthier's deal.

 

[RobertKron]

with those guys, they were all going to the AHL in the next season, so spending almost all of the elc in the A, thus when their deals were up, they wouldn't be up for a deal that was much different than an ELC contract.

When you have the Boeser's, Hughes, coming off elc that's a bigger deal. But, part of doing business. Even Ana burned Gauthier's deal.

Agree that it's mostly just cost of doing business, but there's also an element of potential advantage to the team. If Hughes is signing his second deal in the summer of '22 instead of '21 he's likely at leas a decent bit more expensive.