Prospect Info: Tom Willander: 11th Overall 2023 Draft (Rogle BK J20) - Part 02

It's possible that WIllander doesn't see a long term future with Canucks. They have Hronek locked up for the top pair, Myers with another two years, and Mancini who fits a 6th defenceman role better than Willander would.

If anything, with the emergence of DPetey, Willander might be a trade chip for a young center.
 
This I completely agree with. Just give them the bonuses they want since other players in his draft slot are getting them.



I think a big part of why they called Junior up and kept him on the roster, as well as not papering him down, is because they don't consider him a rookie. I wouldn't be surprised if they do roll with a rotation between Junior, Mancini, Willander, and a veteran. Or if someone doesn't perform in camp, send them to the AHL to start the season.

Correct me if I'm wrong but are bonuses not included in the salary cap regardless of whether or not the player hits them?

Assuming that's the case I could see management pushing back on them saying why should we include these and limit ourselves a bit more cap wise if there's little to no shot of him actually hitting those.......
 
It's possible that WIllander doesn't see a long term future with Canucks. They have Hronek locked up for the top pair, Myers with another two years, and Mancini who fits a 6th defenceman role better than Willander would.

If anything, with the emergence of DPetey, Willander might be a trade chip for a young center.

It's extremely unlikely and mostly just fear mongering.

The emergence of D-Petey hasn't made Willander a trade piece. Having both of these guys develop and be mainstays on our blueline for the next 5+ years is one of the many things this organization needs. We need forward too, I get that; but you're not going to get the value back you need by trading one of these diamonds.
 
Would be shocked if he doesn't sign before next season. There's 100% a spot available for him, if you can't beat Mancini out for it you're not ready for the NHL.

Regardless, with how often our blueline gets hurt, our 7/8 guys will end up playing 40ish games anyways, so having that depth is important.
 
It's extremely unlikely and mostly just fear mongering.

The emergence of D-Petey hasn't made Willander a trade piece. Having both of these guys develop and be mainstays on our blueline for the next 5+ years is one of the many things this organization needs. We need forward too, I get that; but you're not going to get the value back you need by trading one of these diamonds.
D-Petey and Wilander were actually paired together as a left-right combo at the World Juniors two years ago. So it's likely they'd look forward to pairing up again the NHL.

With BU going all the way to the Frozen Four Final, it was always a bit of a long-shot that Wilander would be signed and in the lineup for the last two meaningless NHL games. After such a crushing loss, every guy needs time to decompress.

And this is a player who seems to put a value on education. It's probably the reason he left Sweden for BU in the first place. It wasn't all about hockey. So I guess it's possible he returns to BU for his junior year....or could still sign over the summer.

It would only be if he decided to go back to BU for his senior year--that you might be worried.
 
Semester doesn't end till May 9th. If he isn't signed by the 15th of May, I'd start to worry. There is no shot he waits out 2 more years at BU to become a FA. We also have no idea what his friend situation is or if he is in a relationship (not that we should be privy to that sort of info anyway). Could be a situation where he just doesn't want to throw away the hard work he did this year academically.
 
It's extremely unlikely and mostly just fear mongering.

The emergence of D-Petey hasn't made Willander a trade piece. Having both of these guys develop and be mainstays on our blueline for the next 5+ years is one of the many things this organization needs. We need forward too, I get that; but you're not going to get the value back you need by trading one of these diamonds.
There's more LHD coming than RHD. I don't ever expect either Mancini nor McWard or the other kid from the WHL Oil Kings to be a top 4 guy in the NHL.

In terms of development, only real reason to return to BU is if he wants to work on his offensive/transition game more. Returning to play the same way he has with low point production, probably won't do much for him.
 
I wonder if they've already committed to trading him and feel his value is higher if they don't burn a year? They take the PR hit but get a little more value in trade? Not something I'd do, as it seems a little dickish and doesn't seem like a large "value added", but who knows what these guys have cooked up? I'm not sure what other reason there is to slow roll this.
 
I wonder if they've already committed to trading him and feel his value is higher if they don't burn a year? They take the PR hit but get a little more value in trade? Not something I'd do, as it seems a little dickish and doesn't seem like a large "value added", but who knows what these guys have cooked up? I'm not sure what other reason there is to slow roll this.
Meh

He’ll be signed
Things like this always get solved eventually
 
I wonder if they've already committed to trading him and feel his value is higher if they don't burn a year? They take the PR hit but get a little more value in trade? Not something I'd do, as it seems a little dickish and doesn't seem like a large "value added", but who knows what these guys have cooked up? I'm not sure what other reason there is to slow roll this.
Interesting theory.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong but are bonuses not included in the salary cap regardless of whether or not the player hits them?

Assuming that's the case I could see management pushing back on them saying why should we include these and limit ourselves a bit more cap wise if there's little to no shot of him actually hitting those.......
Potential bonuses don't count against the cap, only the bonuses that are actually reached. There's a bit of accounting for potential bonuses if a team needs to use LTIR, that's all.
 
Semester doesn't end till May 9th. If he isn't signed by the 15th of May, I'd start to worry. There is no shot he waits out 2 more years at BU to become a FA. We also have no idea what his friend situation is or if he is in a relationship (not that we should be privy to that sort of info anyway). Could be a situation where he just doesn't want to throw away the hard work he did this year academically.
yes that would be a mistake when he could get his Arts and Sciences degree and then possibly a 150k a year job
 
yes that would be a mistake when he could get his Arts and Sciences degree and then possibly a 150k a year job
That's not what I meant and you know it. This situation is probably a big combination of things that are going on that we don't know. Putting that aside, we have no idea what the Canucks are even offering him right now.

We are basically just a few days away from when he could realistically be signed. Let's just wait it out a few weeks for the clouds to part and we will see where they are at then. f*** it, he could already be in the process of signing.

What if he went to classes to say goodbye. We have no f***ing idea what's going on.
 
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hes going to sign lol Ive been through hundreds of these they prob have the contract done already just wants to focus on his finals... its ok guys lol
 
That's not what I meant and you know it. This situation is probably a big combination of things that are going on that we don't know. Putting that aside, we have no idea what the Canucks are even offering him right now.

We are basically just a few days away from when he could realistically be signed. Let's just wait it out a few weeks for the clouds to part and we will see where they are at then. f*** it, he could already be in the process of signing.

What if he went to classes to say goodbye. We have no f***ing idea what's going on.
You have to admit that it's a bit concerning.

Willander is a straight-A student, which would suggest that he plans ahead. If the plan wasn't to turn pro, but rather to finish out is classes, what would be gained there? A few credits he can make up for any time during or after his playing career? I mean, he's still 2 years out from graduation.

This looks like him and his agent calling the Canucks' bluff about academics being an important factor. It means the 2 sides are still working on bonus structures and other factors (NHL vs. AHL).
 
You have to admit that it's a bit concerning.

Willander is a straight-A student, which would suggest that he plans ahead. If the plan wasn't to turn pro, but rather to finish out is classes, what would be gained there? A few credits he can make up for any time during or after his playing career? I mean, he's still 2 years out from graduation.

This looks like him and his agent calling the Canucks' bluff about academics being an important factor. It means the 2 sides are still working on bonus structures and other factors (NHL vs. AHL).
Canucks can't guarantee him a spot in 25/26 in the NHL. Up to him to win it. They can allow him to burn an elc year. Then it's bonuses. The categories are preset as to what he can do. Just a matter of the amount of money tied to them. More about the 26/27 year to hit them if he can outplay Myers or Myers gets moved during his elc.
 
I think a big part of why they called Junior up and kept him on the roster, as well as not papering him down, is because they don't consider him a rookie. I wouldn't be surprised if they do roll with a rotation between Junior, Mancini, Willander, and a veteran. Or if someone doesn't perform in camp, send them to the AHL to start the season.

I think they try to re-sign Forbort, or perhaps a Forbort equivalent on the right side. They need someone who can dependably play the PK, and likely haven't forgotten how terrible our PK has been up until this year.

Hughes - Hronek
M. Pettersson - Myers
Forbort - Willander
D. Petey - Mancini

One of WIllander and Mancini probably gets sent down from time to time for exerpeince. Forbort and D. Petey go in and out depending on individual and team performance, and whether any of the left side defensemen switch to the right side as we have sometimes seen. I think the Canucks like having both Forbort and D. Petey in, as they can still lean on Forbort on the PK, but this requires one of the left side defensemen to play on the right side. Myers is the presumptive second pairing right defensemen, but if Willander (or to a lesser degree, Mancini) develops as we hope/expect, then you'd see him taking over this roll by end of season. But in any event, the third pairing should be much stronger than it was to start this year, so I'd expect it to get more ice time, and the second pairing to get less ice time, relative to the first half of this year.

It's extremely unlikely and mostly just fear mongering.

The emergence of D-Petey hasn't made Willander a trade piece. Having both of these guys develop and be mainstays on our blueline for the next 5+ years is one of the many things this organization needs. We need forward too, I get that; but you're not going to get the value back you need by trading one of these diamonds.
Ya, the time to trade D-Petey or Willander or Mancini, isn't, ideally, right now, its in a year or two when each of them has hopefully established himself as a quality NHLer thereby de-risking his bust potential and significantly increase his value. I get that there can be timing issues, but the biggest problem I see with current proposals for forwards is that we are trading an unestablished defensemen prospect, on the verge of, hopefully, becoming an established NHLer, for an established, good, young NHL centre....and that's just not going to work without us throwing in a significant additional asset(s).
 
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I wonder if they've already committed to trading him and feel his value is higher if they don't burn a year? They take the PR hit but get a little more value in trade? Not something I'd do, as it seems a little dickish and doesn't seem like a large "value added", but who knows what these guys have cooked up? I'm not sure what other reason there is to slow roll this.

Plausible theory, if Canucks are looking to acquire a top 6 center via trade, the only high end pieces available for one is Lekkermaki, 1st round draft pick, and Willander .

Canucks are strong at D so it makes total sense to trade a defence prospect to shore up the forwards. Don't get me wrong though, I would absolutely love to see Hughes, DPetey, Willander play on the Canucks for the next 15 years.
 
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You have to admit that it's a bit concerning.

Willander is a straight-A student, which would suggest that he plans ahead. If the plan wasn't to turn pro, but rather to finish out is classes, what would be gained there? A few credits he can make up for any time during or after his playing career? I mean, he's still 2 years out from graduation.

This looks like him and his agent calling the Canucks' bluff about academics being an important factor. It means the 2 sides are still working on bonus structures and other factors (NHL vs. AHL).
It is concerning for sure, but I don't think it's the biggest of concerns as of now. We will see where we are a week from now.
 
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