forsberg > sakic.
Are you talking about careers??? I don't think so
Are you talking about careers??? I don't think so
why? because forsberg got the injury bug?
even with that, he has always been considered the greater player in colorado - ****, even in the world. not sakic.
i love sakic - i saw him start off his career in quebec. and then i saw forsberg come to quebec and just completely dominate the league with his vision.
and to that chelios poster - toews doesn't dominate in the offensive zone like backstrom does. i'm not sure if you only watched canada games - but backstrom was drawing circles around everyone. he simply had no "adults" to finish off his beautiful plays.
and to boot, backstrom is a GREAT defensive player. not just a "playmaker."
toews is going to be great - but backstrom is simply going to be amazing.
and to that chelios poster - toews doesn't dominate in the offensive zone like backstrom does. i'm not sure if you only watched canada games - but backstrom was drawing circles around everyone. he simply had no "adults" to finish off his beautiful plays.
and to boot, backstrom is a GREAT defensive player. not just a "playmaker."
toews is going to be great - but backstrom is simply going to be amazing.
You want to start comparing linemates? Pyatt, O`Marra and Helm aren`t exactly offensive dynamos, in fact I would say that Bergfors and Berglund both have much more offense than any player Toews played with. I just don`t understand how, other than blind bias, you can definitively say that Backstrom is going to be much better than Toews. I can see taking one over the other, but either way it is very close. My issue was that those who have been saying they would take Backstrom have been saying that his offense is just so much better than Toews which simply isn`t true. Backstrom has more flash, but as far as creating offense and putting points on the board, the difference is minimal. When it comes to defense, leadership and clutch performance, Toews, IMO, pulls ahead a bit.
Still, the fact is, Toews played on a better team. Bäckström have produced in SEL, and if you start to compare their league numbers, Toews isn't close. Thats my point, theres no telling which one is better, let the future decide.
You want to start comparing linemates? Pyatt, O`Marra and Helm aren`t exactly offensive dynamos, in fact I would say that Bergfors and Berglund both have much more offense than any player Toews played with. I just don`t understand how, other than blind bias, you can definitively say that Backstrom is going to be much better than Toews. I can see taking one over the other, but either way it is very close. My issue was that those who have been saying they would take Backstrom have been saying that his offense is just so much better than Toews which simply isn`t true. Backstrom has more flash, but as far as creating offense and putting points on the board, the difference is minimal. When it comes to defense, leadership and clutch performance, Toews, IMO, pulls ahead a bit.
Gold medal = Toews
Loser = Backstrom
honestly? i see toews as being a PPG two-way forward in his peak. backstrom - he's the next coming for sweden. the skills are already there and for anyone to dismiss them because backstrom didn't take the iniative ( taking the puck to the net himself and shooting it in ), because he wanted to make the team look good for the home crowd is in itself blind bias.
i don't see how toews pulls ahead simply because he excelled in a one-week tournament. toews was surrounded with a lot of great players. backstrom ... not so much.
also, backstrom played at the world championship for four games last year - didn't put any points. but looked superb playing amongst men.
toews hasn't reached that stage of his development yet.
also, backstrom played at the world championship for four games last year - didn't put any points. but looked superb playing amongst men.
toews hasn't reached that stage of his development yet.
i don't see how toews pulls ahead simply because he excelled in a one-week tournament.
Okay, let me see if i have this right. You are saying that Backstrom didnt score because he was trying to make his team look good for the home crowd? Now your just pulling at straws here. I think they would have looked good to the home crowd winning, which he couldn`t do. I don`t want to start bashing Backstrom, because I genuinely do like him and think he is a great player, but your arguments are getting progressively weaker. Lets say that your right and Toews does develop into a PPG player, if that does occur then I can guarentee he will be one of the best players in the league. The thing about guys like Toews is that they are extremely valuable to a team even if they score 50 points, if he develops into a PPG player (which I think he will), he will be one of the best players in the league.
How many teenagers has Canada taken outside the NHL for any senior international tournements? Not a whole lot. Hell, Crosby didn`t even make the Olympic team. I fail to see how Backstrom making the Swedish team has anything to do with him being better than Toews. Again, I would like to ask you what is it that makes Backstrom so much better than Toews? You have provided absolutely no evidence to back up your claim.
Gold medal = Toews
Loser = Backstrom
Cant wait to see Toews with Baker, Seabrook, Ruutu et Havlat on PP
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Pulls ahead? What the hell does that mean? What makes you think Backstrom was ever ahead?
He wasn't ahead two years ago. He wasn't ahead after the world championships. He wasn't ahead on draft day. He certainly wasn't ahead last week.
It's arrogant to assume and pass off as fact that the entire hockey world had Backstrom ahead of Toews because he has had two or three good months for his club team in Europe. That's flat out wrong.