Proposal: Toews for Kopitar Straight Up

[THall4]

Yep cause points are all that matter in the game of hockey.

In reality, whats the only thing the separate the 2 players?...offensive production...which I would give the edge to Kopitar throughout their careers.

 

[hamzarocks]

Yeah, the new captain needs a shakeup. What?

Kopi has been playing very well, the production just hasn't started to tick yet. His shooting % will catch up soon.

Neither team does this, it's pretty much the most pointless trade...two captains of cup winning franchises and Kopitar is the identity of the Kings personified. The biggest difference between the two players is country of origin.

Hasn't kopitar been a slow starter for a couple of years now. I remember seeing is kopitar done threads last year. He always seems to bounce back and get 70ish pts (pretty amazing with the system he's playing in). Both toews and kopitar imo are around the same level currently. Top 15 players that may crack the top 10. There contracts could be brutal if they decline bad but I don't think that will happeal for atleast 4 years

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Hasn't kopitar been a slow starter for a couple of years now. I remember seeing is kopitar done threads last year. He always seems to bounce back and get 70ish pts (pretty amazing with the system he's playing in). Both toews and kopitar imo are around the same level currently. Top 15 players that may crack the top 10. There contracts could be brutal if they decline bad but I don't think that will happeal for atleast 4 years

Yeah he always starts a bit slow but usually goes over PPG the rest of the season to catch up.

THis year in particular he's looked fantastic but just isn't getting points, part of which is likely a function of extended time with Dwight ****ing King. He'll be fine.

I get the feeling the OP just wanted to dump a gasoline canister in a room full of Hawks and Kings fans, light a match, and walk away, but I don't think he realizes the respect both teams have for the other player.

 

[Kale Hulls]

Yeah he always starts a bit slow but usually goes over PPG the rest of the season to catch up.

THis year in particular he's looked fantastic but just isn't getting points, part of which is likely a function of extended time with Dwight ****ing King. He'll be fine.

I get the feeling the OP just wanted to dump a gasoline canister in a room full of Hawks and Kings fans, light a match, and walk away, but I don't think he realizes the respect both teams have for the other player.

What gives you that impression? I read the kings board regularly, so I can confidently say that I do read people trashing Kopitar at times. I'll admit that I don't spend much time reading about or watching the hawks, but I do have a general understanding of Towes game and what he brings. I just saw similar players making similar money on similar contracts that haven't been playing to what fans perceive as to be best of their abilities. I think swaps usually work out for both parties. When I started this thread I was thinking of the Hossa and Heatley exchange, and how that worked out for both teams. People say that Kopitar and Towes are the face of the franchise, and I agree with that, but let's not forget that Alfredsson played for the wings and Sundin played for Vancouver. I just though it would be an interesting swap that could potentially be good for both teams. I guess that makes me a troll.

 

[Ducks in a row]

Kopitar is a little cheaper and he is the better overall center. Toews advantage is he is a little younger. Kings would be stupid to do this so don't see them doing it.

 

[AlphaBravo]

Both players are pretty equal by comparison. Both go hot and cold at times and both are the face of their cup-winning franchise. No reason to make this trade.

 

[SmellOfVictory]

You do know the difference in contracts is 500,000 per right. So both contracts are pretty much the same.

I think a lot of people are confused about the contracts, but even so, Kopitar is younger (slightly) and cheaper (slightly) while being equivalent, if not better, so there really would be no reason for LA to do this trade. In a vacuum Chicago would do it, but as others have mentioned, the optics of trading your cup-winning captain in his "prime" aren't very good.

 

[Kale Hulls]

I think a lot of people are confused about the contracts, but even so, Kopitar is younger (slightly) and cheaper (slightly) while being equivalent, if not better, so there really would be no reason for LA to do this trade. In a vacuum Chicago would do it, but as others have mentioned, the optics of trading your cup-winning captain in his "prime" aren't very good.

Actually Towes is younger.


I think offensively it is a wash. Statistically Towes has been better this season, while Kopitar was better last season, but Toews was better the season before et cetera. I think career wise the both get around the same points per game.

 

[crazyhawk]

It would appear that Kopitar is leading the vote here amongst posters for many tangible reasons ...
But if you are IN the know, In the groove and IN the heartbeat of professional hockey ...
Ya gotta go with Captain Serious .. the prince of INtangibles!
So yeah, Hawks keep Jonny!

 

[Ace Card Bedard]

No thanks, I'd rather my team keep Toews.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Yep cause points are all that matter in the game of hockey.

They are pretty much equal in all aspects of the game.

 

[Hawkaholic]

In reality, whats the only thing the separate the 2 players?...offensive production...which I would give the edge to Kopitar throughout their careers.

You may want to check the difference in offense again. Before last year, I believe Kopitar only had 1 or 2 seasons where he had a better point per game average.

 

[Sempiternal]

Kings add.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

Yeah he always starts a bit slow but usually goes over PPG the rest of the season to catch up.

THis year in particular he's looked fantastic but just isn't getting points, part of which is likely a function of extended time with Dwight ****ing King. He'll be fine.

I get the feeling the OP just wanted to dump a gasoline canister in a room full of Hawks and Kings fans, light a match, and walk away, but I don't think he realizes the respect both teams have for the other player.

wow you finally admit king is a problem Good for you. They say first step is admitting theres a problem

 

[KingCanadain1976]

What gives you that impression? I read the kings board regularly, so I can confidently say that I do read people trashing Kopitar at times. I'll admit that I don't spend much time reading about or watching the hawks, but I do have a general understanding of Towes game and what he brings. I just saw similar players making similar money on similar contracts that haven't been playing to what fans perceive as to be best of their abilities. I think swaps usually work out for both parties. When I started this thread I was thinking of the Hossa and Heatley exchange, and how that worked out for both teams. People say that Kopitar and Towes are the face of the franchise, and I agree with that, but let's not forget that Alfredsson played for the wings and Sundin played for Vancouver. I just though it would be an interesting swap that could potentially be good for both teams. I guess that makes me a troll.

If you read our board there is not one player that doesn't get trashed. Kings fans are bipolar Also resemble the chicken little (the sky is always falling sorta thinking)

 

[thedoughboy]

In reality, whats the only thing the separate the 2 players?...offensive production...which I would give the edge to Kopitar throughout their careers.

0.01 point per game difference in the regular season. Under a point difference over an entire season. (kopitar ahead)

0.02 point per game difference in the playoffs. Under half a point in a 20 game playoff run. (toews ahead)

Saying kopitar is ahead is some sort of fallacy. But toews did have a worse year last year so he isn't as good offensively or so the mantra goes.

 

[SAADfather]

Yeah he always starts a bit slow but usually goes over PPG the rest of the season to catch up.

THis year in particular he's looked fantastic but just isn't getting points, part of which is likely a function of extended time with Dwight ****ing King. He'll be fine.

I get the feeling the OP just wanted to dump a gasoline canister in a room full of Hawks and Kings fans, light a match, and walk away, but I don't think he realizes the respect both teams have for the other player.

Spot on. I'm genuinely suprised this thread is still open as it has no basis for a legitimate trade and seems like it was started just to get people worked up. You mods are slacking

Nothing but respect for kopitar but you just don't trade the guy that captained your team to 3 cups for an extremely comparable player on an extremely comparable contract.

 

[IDuck]

no way either team does it, but not a chance LA does that.

 

[WesMcCauley]

Lol they are pretty much equally good, each team will keep their captain

 

[Bubba88]

doesn't make any sense and both Teams wouldn't do it.

 

[Revelation]

Kopitar's production in Chicago would go up and Toews' production in LA would go down. LA is grindy defensive possession and Chicago pioneered high flying transition offense. Kopitar is cheaper and bigger too.

Unless there's a Subban/Weber level of difference in intangibles Chicago comes out ahead. That half mil salary probably means more for Chicago than for any other team. LA probably 2nd most concerned about it since they have Brown and Gaborik and a ton of other money tied up.

 

[nmbr_24]

I am guessing both players have no trade clauses of some kind.

 

[Porn*]

Not a chance... Chicago would ultimately end up winning the trade but I doubt chicago Gm has the balls to move a player as loved as Toews.

 

[Little Psycho]

Obviously not a Kings fan. Kopi needs a shake up? Nice try. He has been playing really well with his rotation of wingers even though it doesn't show up on the score board, the points will come in due time.

 

[Little Psycho]

Kings add a no thank you

Fixed.