Value of: Toews @50% + Kubalik to COL

[Freaky Styley]

Saw in the buyout thread that Toews might want out?

I brought this up on the Avs board (not so well received lol) but with the Avs need at C and limited options out there, I think Toews retained could be a good option. I also think that Kubalik would be an ideal Burakovsky replacement. Both of them fill holes in the Avs lineup with the departure of Kadri + Burakovsky while leaving them with contract flexibility.

So, what would it take? Avs would likely have to send some salary back in the form of JTC and/or EJ

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[Mrfenn92]

Toews controls what happens. Kubalik you might be able to sign this offseason. Not sure if they will qualify him.

 

[MicronMega]

Toews 50% retained
Kubalik QO

for

Copher
EJ
Kaut

 

[Bone Breaker]

Toews 50%

for

EJ
Bowers and/or some other cheap crap

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Toews 50% retained
Kubalik QO

for

Copher
EJ
Kaut

What kind of stupidity is this? Toews at 50% has value. Yet you offer absolute filth in return. No one would take EJ
Or JTC’s bloated contracts and Kaut is a bust.

Hawks laugh.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

What kind of stupidity is this? Toews at 50% has value. Yet you offer absolute filth in return. No one would take EJ
Or JTC’s bloated contracts and Kaut is a bust.

Hawks laugh.

If Compher (18g - 15a - 33 pts in 70 games) is worthless at $3.5m, how much value does Toews (12g - 25a - 37 pts in 71 games) really have, even at $5.25m? That seems like a lot of money for half a point per game.

 

[The Abusement Park]

What kind of stupidity is this? Toews at 50% has value. Yet you offer absolute filth in return. No one would take EJ
Or JTC’s bloated contracts and Kaut is a bust.

Hawks laugh.

Yeah… EJ and JTC have the worst contracts here.

 

[franste Perreault]

Toews injuries slowed him and kubalik may not receive QO from Chicago.
Why pay for that just need to wait
Not sure Colorado are interest in Toews.
For Kubalik all depend which Colorado UFA Players will leave.
For me Sakic will not doing a lot of trade or move at the draft but at the free agency date he will be very proactive to keep his team a cup contender

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Why on Earth would Colorado ever want Toews?


Awful idea for us.

 

[Hasbro]

Why on Earth would Colorado ever want Toews?
.

Intangibles

At 50% and JTC going the other way it would only eat $1.75M of cap space for a year. If he’s a capable 3C I could see it.

 

[NOTENOUGHJTCGOALS]

Why on Earth would Colorado ever want Toews?


Awful idea for us.

Aves are under 0.500 when Toews is injured. And presidents trophy pace when Toews plays. Imagine how good they'd be with double the Toews.

 

[Hasbro]

Aves are under 0.500 when Toews is injured. And presidents trophy pace when Toews plays. Imagine how good they'd be with double the Toews.

.500 x 2= 1.000

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

.500 x 2= 1.000

Shit, you're right.

 

[ColbyChaos]

If Compher (18g - 15a - 33 pts in 70 games) is worthless at $3.5m, how much value does Toews (12g - 25a - 37 pts in 71 games) really have, even at $5.25m? That seems like a lot of money for half a point per game.

Youre comparing a guy whos last game was in August 2020 to a guy who strugles to even hit 30pts. Youre also ignoring Toews once he got his legs back (after literally being out for a year + started producing at a more respectable rate

 

[Freaky Styley]

Why on Earth would Colorado ever want Toews?


Awful idea for us.

Avs have quite the gaping hole at C once Kadri walks. What is your idea to fill it? Toews at 50% is one of the best options out there factoring in availability, cost, and contract structure. Also like a poster mentioned above, the rumours of Toews demise are greatly exaggerated. He had an entire year off and was asked to be the 1C on a team who had a tire fire of a season. Plus his playoff resume speaks for itself.

Of course we should aim higher (Schiefele) but there really aren't many C options available this offseason, and someone like Schiefele will cause a bidding war.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Youre comparing a guy whos last game was in August 2020 to a guy who strugles to even hit 30pts. Youre also ignoring Toews once he got his legs back (after literally being out for a year + started producing at a more respectable rate

Does struggling with an immune system disorder that kept him off the ice for a year make 34 year old Toews worth $5.25m? Or did he produce at a respectable enough rate to justify $5.25m in cap space next season?

If he were a UFA after this season, would you honestly give him that much? I'd much rather try to find someone younger, cheaper and much more likely to outperform their cap hit.

 

[Naster Okan]

You never heard of the old expression: “A toes for a toes.”? Seems like the way to go.

 

[Hasbro]

Does struggling with an immune system disorder that kept him off the ice for a year make 34 year old Toews worth $5.25m? Or did he produce at a respectable enough rate to justify $5.25m in cap space next season?

If he were a UFA after this season, would you honestly give him that much? I'd much rather try to find someone younger, cheaper and much more likely to outperform their cap hit.

Just make sure JTC is headed the other way and Chicago retains 50% and it’s not a big bump.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Just make sure JTC is headed the other way and Chicago retains 50% and it’s not a big bump.

Sure, if you look at it through special lenses like that, maybe you can convince yourself that it's not a questionable idea. But, at the end of the day, it's still $5.25m in cap space for a 34 year old guy who only scored 37 points this year and missed all of last year with an immune system disorder. Is that the kind of guy you want to count on to play 2C at a high level next year? How does the extra $1.75m in cap hit help Sakic's ability to keep guys like Nuke or Burakovsky?

Sakic has also done a really good job of finding affordable young(ish) talent who can outperform their cap hit to fill the holes in the roster, so I don't see why he'd go after a declining, expensive vet now.

 

[Norwegianoiler]

Aves are under 0.500 when Toews is injured. And presidents trophy pace when Toews plays. Imagine how good they'd be with double the Toews.

Toews = .500
Toews = .500


Toews x Toews = .250

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Toews = .500
Toews = .500


Toews x Toews = .250

This is why you have to play them apart as much as possible.

Toews / Toews = 1

Divide and conquer...

 

[Freaky Styley]

Sure, if you look at it through special lenses like that, maybe you can convince yourself that it's not a questionable idea. But, at the end of the day, it's still $5.25m in cap space for a 34 year old guy who only scored 37 points this year and missed all of last year with an immune system disorder. Is that the kind of guy you want to count on to play 2C at a high level next year? How does the extra $1.75m in cap hit help Sakic's ability to keep guys like Nuke or Burakovsky?

Sakic has also done a really good job of finding affordable young(ish) talent who can outperform their cap hit to fill the holes in the roster, so I don't see why he'd go after a declining, expensive vet now.

Well, we aren't keeping Burakovsky so you can throw that out. And sure, it might be a slight overpayment for Toews (but in that role, I see him more as a Danault type, which is fair compensation - impact can't be measured just on points) but it's just for one season. Much better than overpaying for Trocheck or Kadri for 4+ years. Also, if you can get Kubalik to sign for a 'prove it' contract ~3M, you've replaced Burakovsky and Compher with Toews and Kubalik at the same cap hit. Then replace EJ with Sean Walker and you have your Nuke raise, without losing much (and even potentially adding) talent to the lineup.

Again, I fail to see many more attractive options on the market. Toews had a down year but that was to be expected, he can still play, especially in a diminished role. I'd love to snag Horvat or Scheifele as much as the next guy, but it's about identifying realistic targets and fits. We don't have the future assets we once had and unless you want to lose Behrens, OO, and the 2023 1st, then it's unlikely you find a long term solution. This is about applying a stop-gap fix without spending many assets, to give Newhook another year of growth, retaining cap flexibility for 2023 and reassessing next year, while still adding a contributor(s) that can be great assets for a cup run next season

 

[NOTENOUGHJTCGOALS]

This is why you have to play them apart as much as possible.

Toews / Toews = 1

Divide and conquer...

Genius. Better coach than Bednar.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Well, we aren't keeping Burakovsky so you can throw that out. And sure, it might be a slight overpayment for Toews (but in that role, I see him more as a Danault type, which is fair compensation - impact can't be measured just on points) but it's just for one season. Much better than overpaying for Trocheck or Kadri for 4+ years. Also, if you can get Kubalik to sign for a 'prove it' contract ~3M, you've replaced Burakovsky and Compher with Toews and Kubalik at the same cap hit. Then replace EJ with Sean Walker and you have your Nuke raise, without losing much (and even potentially adding) talent to the lineup.

Again, I fail to see many more attractive options on the market. Toews had a down year but that was to be expected, he can still play, especially in a diminished role. I'd love to snag Horvat or Scheifele as much as the next guy, but it's about identifying realistic targets and fits. We don't have the future assets we once had and unless you want to lose Behrens, OO, and the 2023 1st, then it's unlikely you find a long term solution. This is about applying a stop-gap fix without spending many assets, to give Newhook another year of growth, retaining cap flexibility for 2023 and reassessing next year, while still adding a contributor(s) that can be great assets for a cup run next season

I agree that Burakovsky will likely get better offers elsewhere, but I'm still hoping both he and Nuke will take a little less to stick around for a little longer and win, because replacing 2/3 (or all) of the 2nd line isn't going to be easy.

I don't agree that being a less bad idea than overpaying for Trochek or Kadri makes this is a good idea. It's just less bad. But, you are right; we will probably need to settle for a less bad option if there's no better options out there and the better options that are affordable aren't exactly abundant. But, that doesn't mean I need to like being forced to apply a cheap stop-gap fix, even in the short term.

 

[Dr Pepper]

Meanwhile, Devon probably just dreading the inevitable addition of a "D." to the back of his jersey.