To make the next step, what do we need?

[surixon]

Laine was drafted in the same slot, but he hasn't panned out to be anything close to Barkov. Even the day he was drafted he didn't show that potential. Simply by not being a C he was behind. By also being a 1 dimensional goal scorer instead of an all around player he was way behind. But if he had lived up to that potential we saw in his first couple of seasons we would be stronger than we are even with his warts. We wouldn't have Vilardi and Iafallo though.

Laine is just a colossal dissapointment for where he was drafted. If he had any drive whatsoever he'd be a star winger.

 

[DRW204]

Why does cirelli waive his NTC to come to Winnipeg? He probably makes less money, gets a downgrade in linemates, for a team that I don't think has much higher playoff upside.

 

[Adam da bomb]

So .... he's not a top 10 in the world 1W. Doesn't mean he is not an NHL 1st liner.

Agreed.

 

[CanMerc]

Cirelli has a full NTC, he's not waiving to leave Tampa for here. Also we'd be buying him at the peak of his value coming off easily his best year. He'd be far too expensive in terms of acquisition cost.

Doesn’t kick in til July 1st…until then he has zero trade protection

 

[surixon]

Doesn’t kick in til July 1st…until then he has zero trade protection

How happy do you think he'd be to be traded here on the eve of it kicking in, and will that be good for the room as a result?

The last thing we need is another Dubois situation.

I don't see Tampa trading him just as he's blossomed into a great player anyhow, makes very little sense to trade a center when you have no replacement waiting in the wings.

 

[CanMerc]

How happy do you think he'd be to be traded here in the eve of it kicking in, and will that be good for the room as a result?

The last thing we need is another Dubois situation.

I don't see Tampa trading him just as he's blossomed into a great player anyhow, makes very little sense to trade a center when you have no replacement waiting in the wings.

Never said they would…just said Chevy will call Tampa about him.
He’d be a good fit and would fill that 2C need…but while I think Chevy will call about him, I also think Chevy likely focuses on a younger option if one is available.

 

[CanMerc]

Any opinions on Necas if he becomes available?

 

[gojetsgo]

Any opinions on Necas if he becomes available?

he didn't want to come here last year why would this year be any different, we also need to be spending our assets going after a center

 

[surixon]

Any opinions on Necas if he becomes available?

No interest as he'll just walk next summer. I believe it was reported last summer when the Jets showed interest that he wouldn't sign here.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Laine is just a colossal dissapointment for where he was drafted. If he had any drive whatsoever he'd be a star winger.

Yes. And he still would not likely = Barkov.

 

[surixon]

Yes. And he still would not likely = Barkov.

Absolutely not, Barkov is a top 3 to 5 C in this league. Unfortunately the only center of that caliber in that draft went 1OA.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

What players might be available to fill the 2C and Ehlers replacement holes?
Jason Robertson is rumoured to be available. Price would be high but that is another question, as is the possibility of Dallas trading him to a Div rival. But he could be available. Who else? What about 2Cs? Any that we might be able to pry out of their current teams?

I need a list I can make up wildly one-sided trade proposals for.

 

[surixon]

What players might be available to fill the 2C and Ehlers replacement holes?
Jason Robertson is rumoured to be available. Price would be high but that is another question, as is the possibility of Dallas trading him to a Div rival. But he could be available. Who else? What about 2Cs? Any that we might be able to pry out of their current teams?

I need a list I can make up wildly one-sided trade proposals for.

FA targets at wing. Granlund, Drouin, Boeser, Donato. Not much else there. No real centers of interest on the market

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

FA targets at wing. Granlund, Drouin, Boeser, Donato. Not much else there. No real centers of interest on the market

Do Granlund and Donato not play C anymore?

My question was intended to look at trades since I have little interest in overpriced, over-the-hill and probably out of reach anyway UFAs.

Doesn't have to be limited to those being dangled. Could be players we could persuade their current teams to part with. Though, TBH, we don't have much to offer teams to make that happen. We have a fistful of futures and the neg rights to Ehlers.

 

[Huffer]

FA targets at wing. Granlund, Drouin, Boeser, Donato. Not much else there. No real centers of interest on the market

Honestly I'm starting to come around more and more on Chevy kicking the tires on Rossi. Still leaves us on the smaller size up front, but if the cost to acquire is as low as the "rumors", I think it's a pretty calculated gamble. And then if you move Names down to line 4, that line becomes stronger.

I'd like them to then try and redistribute some skill, size, and grit across all line 1-3s though.

 

[surixon]

Do Granlund and Donato not play C anymore?

My question was intended to look at trades since I have little interest in overpriced, over-the-hill and probably out of reach anyway UFAs.

Doesn't have to be limited to those being dangled. Could be players we could persuade their current teams to part with. Though, TBH, we don't have much to offer teams to make that happen. We have a fistful of futures and the neg rights to Ehlers.

Granlund hasn't in years, Donato and Bedard flipped at times last year but it was mostly Bedard in the middle.

 

[10Ducky10]

He is definitely a first line winger, put him on the top line all season with Scheifs and KFC and watch his numbers soar.

I would love to see it.

KFC Scheif Ehlers
Perfetti Volare Lambert
Nino Lowry Iafallo
Rashevsky Barron Names

Barron fills in for Lowry until he gets back and Ford plays the third line with Names as the center.

Give Ehlers 8 x 8.5m.
12m
11m
11m
10m
6m
6m
6m
6m

 

[wasup]

I want speed up the center so no Volare { at center } no Robertson no Donato and No to smurf Rossi .

Keep em coming boys I'll let you know when there is one I like .

 

[surixon]

Friedman keeps bringing up the ice time argument for Ehlers in his podcast

 

[Buffdog]

Friedman keeps bringing up the ice time argument for Ehlers in his podcast

He'd have to go to a mediocre team to secure that 1LW spot... there aren't many contenders that have the room for him on their top line

I guess it comes down to what is important to him

 

[KingBogo]

While GM's may not trust the cap going forward they still have to operate under the new cap figures for next year. Agents certainly will be and with how shallow free agency is this year it's going to drive prices up on it's own. They go by percentages of cap to negotiate and sign players.

10% under an $88m cap is $8,800,000
10% of a $95.5m is now $9,550,000

Guys like Marner are likely going to be pushing into the 14% area. Bennett is likely going to get around 10-11%.

At times I wish we had a Jets business of hockey thread to discuss these issues, but I appreciate your response and agree many GMs will merely work with the cap space in front of them.

From what I understand from what I have read, the NHL and NHLPA have decided to go with the highest limit of their cap formula rather than the mid range of the formula they usually go by to set cap limits for the next 3 years. This was based on a booming world economy in 2024, and most likely an attempt to make the ongoing CBA negotiations as seamless as possible. Next year's cap is locked in stone, but they have given themselves some wiggle room after that to adjust for future years.

My concern is the economy is no longer booming and many financial forecasters are now predicting we will be in recession territory by the end of 2025. This will have an impact on revenue IMO anyways. Here is where I see the problem, unless it changes in the next CBA which is highly doubtful, the revenue split between players and owners is 50-50 and will remain that way. The owners get "made whole" through escrow which claws back money from the players to get back to 50-50. In most years the NHL tries to keep this to a minimum because players hate it. But now we are entering into uncharted territory where escrow will become increasingly a problem for players as large chunks of their salaries get clawed back.

Players signing new inflated contracts will take it with a grain of salt, but players already signed to contracts will start pushing back hard. My guess if the world economy starts to really stall and/or regress within a year or 2 there will be a player pushback where the cap stagnates again. But the big problem will be that teams will have already signed too many really bad contracts in those years that they will then have no operating ability.

That is why I say some GMs will be reluctant to go down this path and handcuff themselves, while others will spend freely because they know they have no real job security anyways. When all is said and done there will be a lot of albatross contracts out there that GMs will be trying to shed by any means possible.

 

[raideralex99]

Friedman keeps bringing up the ice time argument for Ehlers in his podcast

Yes because someone probably Garrett sent him the stats. Friedman even mentioned on the panel but did not say who sent him the message. Appleton more ice time than Ehlers stat.
Basically that's how Friedman gets the majority of his info nowadays ... he is too big to put his boots on the ground he gets his foot soldiers doing all the work. You notice how he is always checking his phone for messages especially at TDL.

 

[KingBogo]

He'd have to go to a mediocre team to secure that 1LW spot... there aren't many contenders that have the room for him on their top line

I guess it comes down to what is important to him

Another complicating factor is top centers like predictable wingers. Get to the right places and finish and never needlessly give the puck away.

 

[gojetsgo]

At times I wish we had a Jets business of hockey thread to discuss these issues, but I appreciate your response and agree many GMs will merely work with the cap space in front of them.

From what I understand from what I have read, the NHL and NHLPA have decided to go with the highest limit of their cap formula rather than the mid range of the formula they usually go by to set cap limits for the next 3 years. This was based on a booming world economy in 2024, and most likely an attempt to make the ongoing CBA negotiations as seamless as possible. Next year's cap is locked in stone, but they have given themselves some wiggle room after that to adjust for future years.

My concern is the economy is no longer booming and many financial forecasters are now predicting we will be in recession territory by the end of 2025. This will have an impact on revenue IMO anyways. Here is where I see the problem, unless it changes in the next CBA which is highly doubtful, the revenue split between players and owners is 50-50 and will remain that way. The owners get "made whole" through escrow which claws back money from the players to get back to 50-50. In most years the NHL tries to keep this to a minimum because players hate it. But now we are entering into uncharted territory where escrow will become increasingly a problem for players as large chunks of their salaries get clawed back.

Players signing new inflated contracts will take it with a grain of salt, but players already signed to contracts will start pushing back hard. My guess if the world economy starts to really stall and/or regress within a year or 2 there will be a player pushback where the cap stagnates again. But the big problem will be that teams will have already signed too many really bad contracts in those years that they will then have no operating ability.

That is why I say some GMs will be reluctant to go down this path and handcuff themselves, while others will spend freely because they know they have no real job security anyways. When all is said and done there will be a lot of albatross contracts out there that GMs will be trying to shed by any means possible.

I think if there was worry about the cap going up next year you would have heard about it by now and that it would probably be a major issue in the cba negotiation after they came to an agreement to increase the cap, but considering the the cba is rumoured to be close to done I don't think it's a concern for the next couple of seasons

they just got a major revenue increase with the canadian tv deal being doubled what the last one was and they just set back 2 back records in attendance, I think the economy struggling right now would have more of an effect on the cap in a few years but for the next couple it will go up as expected

 

[KingBogo]

I think if there was worry about the cap going up next year you would have heard about it by now and that it would probably be a major issue in the cba negotiation after they came to an agreement to increase the cap, but considering the the cba is rumoured to be close to done I don't think it's a concern for the next couple of seasons

they just got a major revenue increase with the canadian tv deal being doubled what the last one was and they just set back 2 back records in attendance, I think the economy struggling right now would have more of an effect on the cap in a few years but for the next couple it will go up as expected

The cap is going up next year as it is already locked in stone. Every year gets balance through escrow. We will see how players react to that.