To make the next step, what do we need?

[Daximus]

Then we aren't far off. The way you worded it sounded more like adding more Schenn types that don't have the foot speed to effectively play our schemes.

We need quick gritty players that can play in a top 6 role as those players will fit better in our high pressure forecheck schemes.

But I also disagree that we have enough talent, we don't. We have been ok running a bottom 6 caliber center on our second line and a fourth line caliber talent on our third.

Florida on the other hand has a top 6 full if top 6 players and have top 6 talent on their third line. That is the type of depth of skill you need.

We out hit Dallas by a mile but grit didn't matter as they had more depth of talent then us.

Yeah when you look at the roster makeup. - Just a rough estimation

Scheif - 1C
Connor - 1W
Vilardi - 2W
Ehlers - 2W
Perfetti - 2W
Names - 3C
Lowry - 3C
Nieds - 3W
Iafallo - 3W
Barron - 4C
Gus - 4W/4C

Morrissey - 1LD
Pionk - 2RD
DeMelo - 4RD
Samberg - 4LD
Miller - 6RD
Fleury - 7LD
Schenn - 8RD
Heinola - 8LD
Stanley - 8LD

Hellee- 1G
Comrie - 3G

And you compare that with Florida - Just rough estimation

Barkov - 1C
Reinhart - 1W/2C
Tkachuk - 1W
Bennett - 2C/2W
Verhaeghe - 2W
Marchand - 2W
Rodrigues - 3W
Lundell - 3C
Luostarinen - 3W
Boqvist - 4W
Nosek - 4C
Gadjovich - 4W

Forsling - 2LD
Ekblad - 2RD
Jones - 2RD
Mikkola - 5LD
Schmidt - 6LD
Kulikov - 6LD

Bob - 1G
Vanecek - 3G

Florida just has a deeper team at all levels outside of the net. We can hope some of our young guys can eventually get to those higher levels but it likely won't be for a few seasons. We have talent but we don't have enough of it honestly. I would love some talent with some edge to their game but right now I'd just take talent.

We desperately need at least 2 more 1/2 C level players. Another 1W couldn't hurt and we could really use at least another top 4D as I think Samberg will probably hit a 3D level by next year and DeMelo will likely start declining soon. Hopefully Salomonsson can be that replacement we need but likely not for another couple seasons.

 

[PhilJets]

Yeah when you look at the roster makeup. - Just a rough estimation

Scheif - 1C
Connor - 1W
Vilardi - 2W
Ehlers - 2W
Perfetti - 2W
Names - 3C
Lowry - 3C
Nieds - 3W
Iafallo - 3W
Barron - 4C
Gus - 4W/4C

Morrissey - 1LD
Pionk - 2RD
DeMelo - 4RD
Samberg - 4LD
Miller - 6RD
Fleury - 7LD
Schenn - 8RD
Heinola - 8LD
Stanley - 8LD

Hellee- 1G
Comrie - 3G

And you compare that with Florida - Just rough estimation

Barkov - 1C
Reinhart - 1W/2C
Tkachuk - 1W
Bennett - 2C/2W
Verhaeghe - 2W
Marchand - 2W
Rodrigues - 3W
Lundell - 3C
Luostarinen - 3W
Boqvist - 4W
Nosek - 4C
Gadjovich - 4W

Forsling - 2LD
Ekblad - 2RD
Jones - 2RD
Mikkola - 5LD
Schmidt - 6LD
Kulikov - 6LD

Bob - 1G
Vanecek - 3G

Florida just has a deeper team at all levels outside of the net. We can hope some of our young guys can eventually get to those higher levels but it likely won't be for a few seasons. We have talent but we don't have enough of it honestly. I would love some talent with some edge to their game but right now I'd just take talent.

We desperately need at least 2 more 1/2 C level players. Another 1W couldn't hurt and we could really use at least another top 4D as I think Samberg will probably hit a 3D level by next year and DeMelo will likely start declining soon. Hopefully Salomonsson can be that replacement we need but likely not for another couple seasons.

Isn't Ehler really a 1W, he is top 10 LW right? Jets just don't utilies him like one. But yeah, some of the young guys 1 of them hopefully 2 bust out and make great contribution to the team. As UFA is not favorable to the Jets.

 

[Daximus]

Isn't Ehler really a 1W, he is top 10 LW right? Jets just don't utilies him like one. But yeah, some of the young guys 1 of them hopefully 2 bust out and make great contribution to the team. As UFA is not favorable to the Jets.

Ehlers is probably a 2W, he's generally below PPG rates. Like I'd consider Kucherov, Pasta, Marner, Connor, Hagel, Keller, Panarin, Nylander, Robertson, etc to be 1W types. You could maybe make a case that if Ehlers managed a few more minutes a game he'd be there but I'd still consider him a 2W at this time.

 

[PhilJets]

Ehlers is probably a 2W, he's generally below PPG rates. Like I'd consider Kucherov, Pasta, Marner, Connor, Hagel, Keller, Panarin, Nylander, Robertson, etc to be 1W types. You could maybe make a case that if Ehlers managed a few more minutes a game he'd be there but I'd still consider him a 2W at this time.

Basically that will be the main point on their negotiation. He does have a ceiling of a very good 1W if used that way, but the team used him as a 2W , which is he was good at and he did it without complaining.

I believe, the team will try to find a way to pay him accordingly not as 2W. Not as elite 1W .

In th end hopefully Jets sign him. Things can change and some team might jump on him with a super nice contract and plays in the 1st line. We can't fault him if he takes that.

 

[GeorgeJETson]

To make the next step, what do we need?

A miracle.

 

[Jets 31]

These gritty skilled players are getting fewer and further between I'm afraid.

Trouba was one and Evander Kane another of ours that was exactly what this team has needed. We all know how that went.

We need to nail another or two. Is there even one in the draft this year ?

I'm hoping that dude with the really long last name is one of these rare players . Now i remember his last name ....He .

 

[Jet]

This team overperformed in the regular season. Great job by the coaching staff and the players. Even given the way the season ended, I feel like this was a successful year. Yeah, you want the 1st place team to go deeper in the playoffs, but frankly no one really had the Jets as President's Trophy contenders/winners this year. And frankly, two of the games against Dallas could have just as easily gone our way.

To get to the next level, this team needs to add grit. We need players that have that rare combination of hockey skill, plus grit and physicality - that is really a key differentiator in the post season. Not guys like Stan that generate grade A scoring chances against us whenever they try to land a big hit. The playoff game is different, the reffing is different, the punishment given out and taken is different. We don't have enough of that rare combination of hockey skill PLUS grit and toughness in key players. We need more players like (not necessarily these players, but like these players) the Tkachuk's, Brayden Schenn, Jamie Benn, Cory Perry (the old man), Sam Reinhardt, Chris Kreider, Evander Kane, Landeskog etc. And we need a coaching staff who will let the boys police the game when teams go after our star players.

Game 7 against St Louis will always be a great Jets memory for me.

No team in the NHL has more wins in the regular season in the past 3 years than the Jets.

While winning the PT wasn't on my bingo card, I think it was more likely than some of these bubble team predictions that were made in an off season that saw us essentially just lose Dillon (i don't count Monahan or Toffoli as they were rentals).

 

[bumblebeeman]

Yeah when you look at the roster makeup. - Just a rough estimation

Scheif - 1C
Connor - 1W
Vilardi - 2W
Ehlers - 2W
Perfetti - 2W
Names - 3C
Lowry - 3C
Nieds - 3W
Iafallo - 3W
Barron - 4C
Gus - 4W/4C

Morrissey - 1LD
Pionk - 2RD
DeMelo - 4RD
Samberg - 4LD
Miller - 6RD
Fleury - 7LD
Schenn - 8RD
Heinola - 8LD
Stanley - 8LD

Hellee- 1G
Comrie - 3G

And you compare that with Florida - Just rough estimation

Barkov - 1C
Reinhart - 1W/2C
Tkachuk - 1W
Bennett - 2C/2W
Verhaeghe - 2W
Marchand - 2W
Rodrigues - 3W
Lundell - 3C
Luostarinen - 3W
Boqvist - 4W
Nosek - 4C
Gadjovich - 4W

Forsling - 2LD
Ekblad - 2RD
Jones - 2RD
Mikkola - 5LD
Schmidt - 6LD
Kulikov - 6LD

Bob - 1G
Vanecek - 3G

Florida just has a deeper team at all levels outside of the net. We can hope some of our young guys can eventually get to those higher levels but it likely won't be for a few seasons. We have talent but we don't have enough of it honestly. I would love some talent with some edge to their game but right now I'd just take talent.

We desperately need at least 2 more 1/2 C level players. Another 1W couldn't hurt and we could really use at least another top 4D as I think Samberg will probably hit a 3D level by next year and DeMelo will likely start declining soon. Hopefully Salomonsson can be that replacement we need but likely not for another couple seasons.

I like this exercise, and I totally agree. I think the biggest thing is their top end forward talent is just better than the Jets, and that trickles down there lineup to just a deeper team. Also helps that their top forwards especially Barkov are so strong defensively.

If we go with a direct comparison like:

Barkov > Scheifele
Reinhart = Connor
Tkatchuk > Vilardi
Bennett > Namestnikov
Verhaege < Ehlers
Marchand = Perfetti
Lundell > Lowry

etc....

It really feels like it's the top end talent that is stronger with them. Like even Lowry or Namestnikov I feel isn't that far off from Bennett or Lundell, tho they aren't as good. But they are wayy closer in comparison than say Vilardi is to Tkatchuk.

 

[DRW204]

just imo, cups winners come in all shapes and sizes, styles of play, or leaning towards one side of the finesse vs grit scale. i think if you were to put a Venn of more GRIT or SKILL-based, & then the 50-50s, it'd be all over the place over the last 15-20 Cup teams.

at the end of the day, you need v good to elite talent. not sure if chasing just certain types players b/c of the last cup winner is the best since next year it may change to a more finesse type team. Jets added grit in Tanev and Schenn.... barely made it past STL and bounced by DAL.

 

[surixon]

I like this exercise, and I totally agree. I think the biggest thing is their top end forward talent is just better than the Jets, and that trickles down there lineup to just a deeper team. Also helps that their top forwards especially Barkov are so strong defensively.

If we go with a direct comparison like:

Barkov > Scheifele
Reinhart = Connor
Tkatchuk > Vilardi
Bennett > Namestnikov
Verhaege < Ehlers
Marchand = Perfetti
Lundell > Lowry

etc....

It really feels like it's the top end talent that is stronger with them. Like even Lowry or Namestnikov I feel isn't that far off from Bennett or Lundell, tho they aren't as good. But they are wayy closer in comparison than say Vilardi is to Tkatchuk.

I think Bennett is a significant edge. He averages well over 10 points more then Namestnikov while also being a physical menace.

 

[DRW204]

I like this exercise, and I totally agree. I think the biggest thing is their top end forward talent is just better than the Jets, and that trickles down there lineup to just a deeper team. Also helps that their top forwards especially Barkov are so strong defensively.

If we go with a direct comparison like:

Barkov > Scheifele
Reinhart = Connor
Tkatchuk > Vilardi
Bennett > Namestnikov
Verhaege < Ehlers
Marchand = Perfetti
Lundell > Lowry

etc....

It really feels like it's the top end talent that is stronger with them. Like even Lowry or Namestnikov I feel isn't that far off from Bennett or Lundell, tho they aren't as good. But they are wayy closer in comparison than say Vilardi is to Tkatchuk.

carter v>>ehlers
and Marchand>>>perfetti

 

[bumblebeeman]

I think Bennett is a significant edge. He averages well over 10 points more then Namestnikov while also being a physical menace.

Ya he should compare more to Lowry. A bit better offensively and a bit dirtier, maybe Lowry is a bit better defensively

 

[Xavier Laflamme]

I think Bennett is a significant edge. He averages well over 10 points more then Namestnikov while also being a physical menace.

Absolutely, quite significant imo.

Will be interesting to see what he fetches this off season, I personally wouldn't pay him 10m but won't be surprised if someone actually does.

 

[GNP]

Absolutely, quite significant imo.

Will be interesting to see what he fetches this off season, I personally wouldn't pay him 10m but won't be surprised if someone actually does.

I think more like 7.5 to 8, but you never know. I think 10 is way too high for Bennet.

 

[AlphaLackey]

We used to just say extends…now everyone needs to say re-signs…weird

I'd be super fine with "extends" as well. For this very reason.

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

just imo, cups winners come in all shapes and sizes, styles of play, or leaning towards one side of the finesse vs grit scale. i think if you were to put a Venn of more GRIT or SKILL-based, & then the 50-50s, it'd be all over the place over the last 15-20 Cup teams.

at the end of the day, you need v good to elite talent. not sure if chasing just certain types players b/c of the last cup winner is the best since next year it may change to a more finesse type team. Jets added grit in Tanev and Schenn.... barely made it past STL and bounced by DAL.

Schenn is way past his prime. Tanev just plain lacks skill. All Tanev did was skate around and bump into people after the puck had already moved on / up ice. He was a complete post season non factor and a waste of a second round pick.

 

[DRW204]

Schenn is way past his prime. Tanev just plain lacks skill. All Tanev did was skate around and bump into people after the puck had already moved on / up ice. He was a complete post season non factor and a waste of a second round pick.

i agree. but they're more grit than finesse even on their best days wouldn't you agree? i haven't read each post of the last few pages but feel like ppl want just more grit is kind of missing the plot. there's big differences b/w grit + quality of player of Bennett, T. Wilson or Kane than Tanev for example

 

[SensibleGuy]

We need a documentary on Netflix!

lol...jeez. Got taken by the stupid fake thing that was discussed a couple days ago. FB is such a cess pool.

 

[Daximus]

I think more like 7.5 to 8, but you never know. I think 10 is way too high for Bennet.

10 is basically the new 8 under the rising cap.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

What is the point of comparing with Florida. They literally traded and signed players to make that team. Granted they bottomed out years ago and got Ekblad and Barkov but jesus we can't compete like them

 

[bustamente]

Someone will give Bennett 9-10m, it certainly wont be the Jets, they also wont be in on Robertson from Dallas or any other high priced player that may be traded.

 

[KingBogo]

Someone will give Bennett 9-10m, it certainly wont be the Jets, they also wont be in on Robertson from Dallas or any other high priced player that may be traded.

I don't know about that as Chevy has been involved in some of the biggest trades over the last few years. I can see Chevy pursuing a young potential #2 center that is signed long term but doesn't have trade protection yet. Similar to when Cozens got moved.

 

[surixon]

I don't know about that as Chevy has been involved in some of the biggest trades over the last few years. I can see Chevy pursuing a young potential #2 center that is signed long term but doesn't have trade protection yet. Similar to when Cozens got moved.

Robertson is a winger though. I doubt Dallas sends him here regardless though.

 

[KingBogo]

10 is basically the new 8 under the rising cap.

I know I have brought this up before, but I don't think many GMs will trust the cap going up as forecasted after this season. The Geopolitical winds are starting to blow too strong against that type of economic optimism. This is a recent quote from the United Nations.

The world economy is at a precarious moment. Heightened trade tensions, along with policy uncertainty, have significantly weakened the global economic outlook for 2025. Higher tariffs—resulting in a significant increase in the effective tariff rate in the United States of America—are likely to strain global supply chains, drive up production costs and delay critical investment decisions, while also contributing to financial market volatility. Global economic growth is now projected to slow to 2.4 per cent in 2025, down from 2.9 per cent in 2024, and 0.4 percentage points below the January forecast. The downward revisions in growth forecasts are broad-based, affecting both developed and developing economies. Weakening global trade growth and investment flows are compounding the slowdown. Many trade-reliant developing countries face mounting challenges from reduced exports, lower commodity prices, tighter financial conditions, and elevated debt burdens.

I've read a few opinion pieces that suggest we are quickly making our way to the economic hardships experienced during the COVID years. The bond markets are certainly waiving an economic distress red-flag.

 

[KingBogo]

Robertson is a winger though. I doubt Dallas sends him here regardless though.

I wasn't think of Robertson specifically. I do think there is a good chance Chevy gets aggressive on the trade front to try and rebalance our lineup. At this point I think Ehlers is as good as gone as Chevy directs cap space towards an upgrade at center.